The Real reason Axl hates Slash

Slaxls · March 17, 2011

Axl still loves Slash, but he cannot and will not admit that even to himself.

He loved him as a brother in the early days of gnr, and they had a massive shnit up and Slash left.

Kind of like a relationship (we know how Axl cannot get over relationships)

Axls ego will not relent and admit any fault - he will not admit to doing ANYTHING wrong in the past (im not saying slash is without blame, but he seems to be more willing to work through problems).

Axl has got to hate slash or he has got to admit faults. To admit faults would mean that the band COULD have continued, he COULD still have major success (apart from just sales based on name recognition) he COULD have a real band if slash was still there.

In his heart axl knows what he is doing is kind of bogus - he just cant admit it and now its gone on soooo long that to back down now would make him look ridiculous (or so he thinks) because his ego is so big he doesnt want to lose face.

HE DOESNT WANT TO LOSE FACE.

Slash left, therefore - in Axls bi-polar mind he just becomes 'the enemy' in a kind of 'you are either with us or against us' kind of way. The only way axl feels he can keep respect is to be more successful than slash - create better music, sell more records and be more respected. He wants another classic album that sells like appetite to stuff slash's face in it - to go 'there, i did it without you - i didnt need you in the first place'.

BUT AXL HASNT DONE THAT

He is unuable to create as good music as he did with slash - he is unuable to have the hits and sell the records he did with slash and he must hate him for that also.

He hates that he has to share some of the glory with someone else. He wants to take all the credit for everything ideally.

THATS why he hates him. Because to think anything else would mess him up because his ego would get totally out of whack and he might have to admit some shnit.

COME AT ME BRO.

saber_ · March 17, 2011

Hi there. Is there a reason you believe this post doesn't belong in the thread entitled "Is Slash still doing something that pisses off Axl?" which is one below this thread?

Oh I get it, you just had to have a thread all to yourself. Carry on then.

Also, you may want to brush up on your rock n roll history. All your grandiose exaggerations fall flat after a simple examination of many of the big rock bands of the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Van Halen, Kiss, Hanoi Rocks, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, David Lee Roth. There are examples aplenty illustrating that lineup changes are a common thing in rock n roll.

That's an awful lot of psychic knowledge you've amassed there. And cleverly veiled opinions disguised as facts. Next time don't be so transparent in your stealth trolling. Unfortunately, the evidence points to a different reality than the one you've conjured up in your mind.

Edited March 17, 2011 by mindsaber

SunnyDRE · March 17, 2011

Hi there. Is there a reason you believe this post doesn't belong in the thread entitled "Is Slash still doing something that pisses off Axl?" which is one below this thread?
Oh I get it, you just had to have a thread all to yourself. Carry on then.

sorta like you did, when you when you made that abortion of thread, that has been made more times than any other on this board.

a spade is a spade.

Slaxls · March 18, 2011

Hi there. Is there a reason you believe this post doesn't belong in the thread entitled "Is Slash still doing something that pisses off Axl?" which is one below this thread?
Oh I get it, you just had to have a thread all to yourself. Carry on then.
Also, you may want to brush up on your rock n roll history. All your grandiose exaggerations fall flat after a simple examination of many of the big rock bands of the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Van Halen, Kiss, Hanoi Rocks, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, David Lee Roth. There are examples aplenty illustrating that lineup changes are a common thing in rock n roll.
That's an awful lot of psychic knowledge you've amassed there. And cleverly veiled opinions disguised as facts. Next time don't be so transparent in your stealth trolling. Unfortunately, the evidence points to a different reality than the one you've conjured up in your mind.

I am well aware of my rock n roll history thank you

and all those bands you mentioned released albums while the bands were going through those changes - deep purple released burn with the change of only 2 members - pink floyd released saucer with the addition of gilmour while still having syd, van halen - 1 singer change etc etc

they EVOLVED

They didnt all get fed up with it - essentially deform and come back as a new band under the same name.

LETS TAKE AN EXAMPLE YOU GAVE.

Deep purple.

They released a few albums with coverdale, but when the lineup changes got too much, what did they do???? THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME! YES, WHEN ALMOST ALL THE MEMBERS WERE NO LONGER ORIGINAL MEMBERS THEY BECAME WHITESNAKE.

Thats what axl should have done.

BOOM.

YOU FAIL.

saber_ · March 18, 2011

sorta like you did, when you when you made that abortion of thread, that has been made more times than any other on this board.
a spade is a spade.

Ohhh this is indeed a momentous occasion! Sunny Dre has joined the fracas! Sunny Dre, the bitter perpetual whiner. Sunny Dre, the person with the never-was in his sig. Sunny Dre, whose entire posting history consists of bitching, moaning, crying, complaining, and snarky comments.

Although you act like you're some master logician,you really aren't: he made an identical thread to one that was already at the top of the forum. Nice spin attempt though, that pretty much sums up who you are.

How's that never-was doing in your sig? I bet she's going to be a big bright shiny star, a unique snowflake.

I am well aware of my rock n roll history thank you
and all those bands you mentioned released albums while the bands were going through those changes - deep purple released burn with the change of only 2 members - pink floyd released saucer with the addition of gilmour while still having syd, van halen - 1 singer change etc etc
they EVOLVED

Nice job missing the point, or most of it rather. But I do respect your point about releasing albums and so forth. However, your comment about them evolving is quite interesting.

Slash is a media whore and continues to pump out predictable blues rock. Hey, is some of it good? Why yes. I particularly liked "Fallen to Pieces," among several other VR songs. It's good rock n roll. Tell me though... is it an evolution?

Axl, on the other hand, released an album that was a radical reimagining of GNR's sound.

So, I guess you just got self-owned.

They didnt all get fed up with it - essentially deform and come back as a new band under the same name.
LETS TAKE AN EXAMPLE YOU GAVE.
Deep purple.
They released a few albums with coverdale, but when the lineup changes got too much, what did they do???? THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME! YES, WHEN ALMOST ALL THE MEMBERS WERE NO LONGER ORIGINAL MEMBERS THEY BECAME WHITESNAKE.
Thats what axl should have done.
BOOM.
YOU FAIL.

Wow, you really don't know jack shit about rock history do you? But good fucking job at being a complete ignoramus. Oh wait, you're just trying to spin shit. Well too bad for you there's something called the internet, else you might actually get away with spinning things so horribly. Yes indeed, unfortunately for your trashcan logic, Whitesnake itself went through several personnel changes- most notably adding Steve Vai on guitar for Slip of the Tongue. And hey I'm glad you decided to stop following Deep Purple after 1977. Deep Purple as well had all kinds of personnel changes. Who fails?

Who fails?

Now, let's go back to that gem of an opening post:

Axl still loves Slash, but he cannot and will not admit that even to himself.

No, you're just a deluded dumbass. The name is Du-Mass.

Kind of like a relationship (we know how Axl cannot get over relationships)

Not sure where you pulled this out of. Oh wait, actually I am sure. Your ass.

Axls ego will not relent and admit any fault - he will not admit to doing ANYTHING wrong in the past (im not saying slash is without blame, but he seems to be more willing to work through problems).
Axl has got to hate slash or he has got to admit faults. To admit faults would mean that the band COULD have continued, he COULD still have major success (apart from just sales based on name recognition) he COULD have a real band if slash was still there.

Oh here we go- the whole "ego" argument. I guess you weren't paying attention all those years when Slash was running his mouth about Axl. Gee, I wonder why Axl might hate him? Think real hard now. That, or go watch some interviews, which apparently you fail completely at.

A real band? Are you fucking kidding me? What is this, Rush Limbaugh is your idol and Slash is your Republican? Or wait, you're Al Franken and Slash is your lib. Gimme a break, pal. What people like you don't understand is that even if Slash was back in the band, it's not going to be like the glory days. Think real hard about that.

In his heart axl knows what he is doing is kind of bogus - he just cant admit it and now its gone on soooo long that to back down now would make him look ridiculous (or so he thinks) because his ego is so big he doesnt want to lose face.
HE DOESNT WANT TO LOSE FACE.

You clearly don't know much about Axl, which I guess kind of explains all your delusions. Axl operates with intent, in case you haven't noticed. What he's doing is not bogus. He owns the band's name- he takes the band touring. He released an album. And speaking of big egos, perhaps you oughtta take a look at your boy Slash. Oh but I suppose it's all Scott Weiland's fault too, eh?

Slash left, therefore - in Axls bi-polar mind he just becomes 'the enemy' in a kind of 'you are either with us or against us' kind of way. The only way axl feels he can keep respect is to be more successful than slash - create better music, sell more records and be more respected. He wants another classic album that sells like appetite to stuff slash's face in it - to go 'there, i did it without you - i didnt need you in the first place'.

Hey buddy! Yeah you! Maybe you should, y'know, actually follow the band you're pretending to know about. Axl said even before Chinese Democracy was released that it was going to be a departure from GNR's previous sound. So your whole "Sell more records and classic album" crap is nothing but the sad, angry words, of a bitter Slash fanboy. He doesn't need Slash, and Chinese Democracy went multi-platinum in various countries all over the world. So, yeah, Axl creates a non-pop record (unlike Slash) and it sells pretty good considering the times and the departure in sound. Sounds like to me you don't know anything about what it means to be an artist.

He is unuable to create as good music as he did with slash - he is unuable to have the hits and sell the records he did with slash and he must hate him for that also.

Hey buddy! Newsflash: He's not trying to have hits and sell records like the glory days. You must be confusing him with Slash, who is trying everything in the book to be in the public's eye and tell all who would listen "Hey look at me, I'm dressing the same as I did 20 years ago! Buy my record!"

He hates that he has to share some of the glory with someone else. He wants to take all the credit for everything ideally.
THATS why he hates him. Because to think anything else would mess him up because his ego would get totally out of whack and he might have to admit some shnit.

Share the glory. Riiiight, that's why Axl's all over the media just like Slash. Yeup, Axl just can't get enough of the spotlight. Mmm hmmm, it's a dead heat between him and Slash to see who can be the biggest media whore and sell the most Volkswagens.

The difference between Slash and Axl is Axl didn't sell out. He's the same guy full of piss n vinegar he always was.

So, with all that being said, perhaps you should go brush up on your GNR history and your rock history. You seem to have constructed these grandiose delusions that don't coincide with reality.

saber_ · March 18, 2011

^^Your taking this shit way too seriously mate..remember, after all it is just a geeky fan forum...... B)^^

Why don't you stop being a hypocrite buddy? Yeah, you. *points*

And, for the record, you're wrong: I don't take this as seriously as you'd loooove to imagine. I'm a fast typer and I have a half-decent vocabulary. I know to people like you that means I'm "taking it too seriously." HA! This from the guy who went to exceptional lengths to respond to my posts in the other thread. Gee what does that say about you? (psst: hypocrisy)

In fact, as I re-read that thread, it's so obvious you think you're some sort of board certified psychic and can ascertain my emotional state. Notice I ignored your posts after a while in that thread when it became obvious you just wanted to repeat (ad nauseum) how upset you thought I was.

Run along now plz.

Edited March 18, 2011 by mindsaber

Gods Favourite · March 18, 2011

I hope to God that Mindsaber is a cupcake

Edited March 18, 2011 by Gods Favourite

Slaxls · March 19, 2011

I hope to God that Mindsaber is a cupcake

Hi there, yes, I too hope he is a cupcake. He sounds like a nut case. I skimmed through his stuff, didn't read it all, because it was a whole bunch of wild ranting - and I was just more than a bit freaked out by it.

Glad you other guys have some sense.

Oh and mindsaber or whatever the fvck your name is... you seem to think im some kind of slash fanboy, well, kind of, but I am also a big fan of axl rose.

Im a guns N Roses fan.

Not some kind of wild loony douchebag with an encyclopedic knowledge of bullshit.

Edited March 19, 2011 by Slaxls

saber_ · March 19, 2011

I hope to God that Mindsaber is a cupcake
Hi there, yes, I too hope he is a cupcake. He sounds like a nut case. I skimmed through his stuff, didn't read it all, because it was a whole bunch of wild ranting - and I was just more than a bit freaked out by it.
Glad you other guys have some sense.
Oh and mindsaber or whatever the fvck your name is... you seem to think im some kind of slash fanboy, well, kind of, but I am also a big fan of axl rose.
Im a guns N Roses fan.
Not some kind of wild loony douchebag with an encyclopedic knowledge of bullshit.

Oh gee I guess you pussied out on the whole "COME AT ME BRO" mantra. What happened there, chief?

"More than just a bit freaked out" by reading my counterpoints? Really? I guess you shouldn't be so sensitive on an internet message board. And here I thought we were just having a spirited debate, as per your implicit request. Awww, whats the matter? You got called out on your evidence-lacking horseshit, so now you're giving up> Such a shame... all that remains are your hollow insults: the smoldering ashes of a defeated foe.

One Axl fanboy to rule them all. That would be me. ; ) There! Happy now? Hahaha.

The Wicked Hand · March 19, 2011

Mindsaber:

You win nothin. You actually lose everytime. Your pathetic attemps to defend axl are never backed with any facts. You just put down others and mindlessly put axl on a undeserved pedestal. And WHO THE FUCK TALKS like that. I'll take a guess who. A fuckin geeky ass fuck who got his ass beat growin up and all he can do is go on forums and regurgitate axl's rants and interveiw quotes with no original thought or mind to take other peoples point of veiw into consideration, just to make himself feel good enough to go have a romantic evening with trilogy.

Go back to world of Warcraft you fuckin hobbit.

Why don't you go have sex.......... With a woman.

saber_ · March 19, 2011

For someone who claims to not take this shit so seriously you sure spend a lot of time with counter arguments supporting Axl just "piss off Slash fanboys"..stop being a phony...oh yeah thats right you are just a fast typist...Yeah sure thats the ticket...

Oh make no mistake my friend, I do put effort in to this shit. You see, I come from the realm of video game message boards. You haven't seen nothin yet if you think I'm taking this shit seriously. Hahaha. In fact, I will fully admit I'm a nerd who's got too much time on his hands. So be it, whatever. I mean, c'mon- why so serious? There's a phrase out there: "Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics..." But damn I tell ya I want the gold medal bad!! ; ) Ultimately, if you just examine the premises and points I put forward, I just enjoy a good debate. I just ensconce it in colorful sentences.

Mindsaber:
You win nothin. You actually lose everytime. Your pathetic attemps to defend axl are never backed with any facts. You just put down others and mindlessly put axl on a undeserved pedestal. And WHO THE FUCK TALKS like that. I'll take a guess who. A fuckin geeky ass fuck who got his ass beat growin up and all he can do is go on forums and regurgitate axl's rants and interveiw quotes with no original thought or mind to take other peoples point of veiw into consideration, just to make himself feel good enough to go have a romantic evening with trilogy.
Go back to world of Warcraft you fuckin hobbit.
Why don't you go have sex.......... With a woman.

I win the internet motherfucker!!!

You're the one who's losing. No really. You're so butthurt and offended over my statements on an internet messageboard about Guns n Roses, that you're getting all bent out of shape over it and can't think rationally. I don't put Axl on any pedestal. I just bristle when assholes try to portray him a certain way. So I step in to prevent them from getting away with their bullshit. And so yes, I take on those people with a certain amount of gusto.

Who the fuck talks like what? Are you penalizing me for creative phrasing? What the fuck. You remind of the people in Idiocracy- you're docking me points for a good vocabulary.

Furthermore, I'm not regurgitating Axl's rants. Read my thread in the pre-94 forum. Also, why don't you, you know, actually read this thread? I don't accept the premises the thread creator is submitting. Most of it is complete bullshit. Notice I acknowledge his point about lack of output from GNR- sorry to shatter your reality there.

And finally... nice insult about World of Warcraft. I'm more a Gran Turismo 5 fan.

Nice final insult too. When defeated, always question the sexuality of your opponent, is that your tactic? But since you went there, let's get shallow! Allow me to retort: I'll take the pepsi challenge against you any day of week. ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, asshole. I'm 5'11", 165 pounds, full head of hair, and don't have problems attracting women. I'm sure you're a fat, balding, bitter, in-the-closet douchebag who masturbates over your Slash posters. Maybe it's time YOU had sex with a woman. heheh

The Wicked Hand · March 19, 2011

Wow.... I knew you were a fucking nerd.

If this is how you spend all your time it must hurt loose every arguement you attempt to me-a person who has never visited any type of forum before until last month.

Here's what you can't argue.

1. Axl ruined original guns by making it a dictatorship, demanding the rights to the name, hiring and firing w- out consulting band members, late starts, no shows, cancelled tours, running up tour tabs with extravigant parties ( that nobody attende but him and his sukboys), calling out band members drug use in the middle of shows, never taking responsibility for his actions, never writing as a BAND during illusions, not showing up to writing sessions for weeks, and thinking that he IS gnr and didn't need them.

2. Axl still thinks about slash. He is in a lawsuit to remove his image from a video game right now rather than putting out his next "masterpeice". He freaks out in concerts if a fan says his name. He Put a whole song about him on his last album. He lives in the past.

Most songs on Chinese democracy were just him whineing all over the mic.

3. He calls him a sellout and a media whore.

4. He never does interviews, fought for the name only to put out one record in fifteen years.

5. He places gag orders on his muscians.

6. He can't keep band members, managers, producers, women, and most importantly FANS.

7. He is an all around douche bag as a human being which is why I see why you like him.

8. Slash puts out records, talks to fans, has sponsorships, appears with other artist of all kinds, doesn't just play pentatonic scales, has alot of the same crew and friends he always has( which to me says alot in this case and speaks directly to his character).

Is one of the biggest rock icon of all time for all generations.

9. Axl is a recluse, acts like he does no wrong and bottom line takes everybody and everything for granted.

I win the Internet. That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard .

You don't win the Internet. But I OWN YOU.

saber_ · March 19, 2011

Wow.... I knew you were a fucking nerd.
If this is how you spend all your time it must hurt loose every arguement you attempt to me-a person who has never visited any type of forum before until last month.
Here's what you can't argue.
1. Axl ruined original guns by making it a dictatorship, demanding the rights to the name, hiring and firing w- out consulting band members, late starts, no shows, cancelled tours, running up tour tabs with extravigant parties ( that nobody attende but him and his sukboys), calling out band members drug use in the middle of shows, never taking responsibility for his actions, never writing as a BAND during illusions, not showing up to writing sessions for weeks, and thinking that he IS gnr and didn't need them.
2. Axl still thinks about slash. He is in a lawsuit to remove his image from a video game right now rather than putting out his next "masterpeice". He freaks out in concerts if a fan says his name. He Put a whole song about him on his last album. He lives in the past.
Most songs on Chinese democracy were just him whineing all over the mic.
3. He calls him a sellout and a media whore.
4. He never does interviews, fought for the name only to put out one record in fifteen years.
5. He places gag orders on his muscians.
6. He can't keep band members, managers, producers, women, and most importantly FANS.
7. He is an all around douche bag as a human being which is why I see why you like him.
8. Slash puts out records, talks to fans, has sponsorships, appears with other artist of all kinds, doesn't just play pentatonic scales, has alot of the same crew and friends he always has( which to me says alot in this case and speaks directly to his character).
Is one of the biggest rock icon of all time for all generations.
9. Axl is a recluse, acts like he does no wrong and bottom line takes everybody and everything for granted.
I win the Internet. That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard .
You don't win the Internet. But I OWN YOU.

Prologue: I must "loose" every argument? No, my arguments are tight. Hah!

1. Axl took control of the band because his junkie bandmembers and their associates in the record company were fucking everything up. Is Axl eccentric? Sure. But it's been so exaggerated by you and others that the truth has been obscured about what really went down in the early 90's. And ok, if you want to make a valid criticism that he was aloof from the band, so be it. Gee, could there be any possible reason he was apart? Maybe he didn't want any part of the scene that had developed. So he took a prominent role in the band's decisions and separated himself. Why the fuck did Slash sign the fucking name over? Oh you wanna get deep about this, we can get deep about this. WHY DID SLASH AND DUFF GIVE CONTROL TO AXL? That is the question you should be asking yourself. And when you answer it, it may illuminate other things as well.

What your problem is is you're all caught up in the band name. Look at Van Halen: in that case, the brothers Van Halen retained the name. But DLR made some good Van Halen-esque songs on his solo records without Eddie, even though it wasn't called "Van Halen." Countless examples abound: band lineups change, things change. Look at Metallica. You've got the original 3 members and their latest album was a sincere attempt at returning to form, to quote Kirk Hammett. Well guess what? I'd rather have Chinese Democracy and Contraband over Death Magnetic any day of the week. You see- Axl and Slash's feud is propelling them to each create good music each in their own right.

2. He's over Slash. It's other people who constantly remind him of Slash, and every now and then, he'll fire off a nice quote about Mister TopHat. To Axl, Slash is just another ex-band member. That's what you don't get. It's not that hard to believe or accept. No different than Steven Adler. No different than Chris Weber.

3. Slash is a sell-out and a media whore. What's your point?

4. Oh well, then I guess you'd better be moving along then, eh? He's reclusive, sue him. You think he owes you something, but he doesn't. He's smarter than you think.

5. How can band members be gagged if they don't know what the plans are? What you fail to realize is that Guns n Roses is ethereal, they're gypsies: as are many musicans and groups. How GNR is operating is not some singularity. If you're lucky enough to catch them touring, very cool, be happy.

6. He's kept band members for a while now. Managers mean jack shit. Producers come and go, big deal. Women? Yeeeeah, you keep telling yourself that.

7. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE? TELL ME. OH WAIT YOU CAN'T. Because it means you're either trolling, or you're a bitter asshole, hellbent on trolling this site. Take your pick.

8. Slash has put out some decent blues rock records. Funny you would try to make some comment about "pentatonic scales" considering CD is much more varied than Libertad as far as guitar passages. mirite? You're right about one thing: Slash certainly is trying his damndest to make people notice him. This too, says a lot about his character.

9. A recluse he may well be, but it matters not. He doesn't take people for granted- that's just you being on your period. Axl has strong convictions, and surprisingly, may be a sensitive person. As far as your dumbassed accusations of him taking things for granted, do you REALLY believe that's the case? The man whom you just called a recluse is also taking everything and everyone for granted? Doesn't quite jive, does it? Whoops.

You don't own shit. You've had your ass so severely handed to you, all you can think to do is make haste towards tangents aplenty. You have no sense of humor, lest you wouldn't have made such a fool of yourself interpreting my "i win the internet" comment so literally. THAT WAS A COMMENT ON YOU DUMBASS. Do you hear a whooshing sound over your head? Heheh.

The Wicked Hand · March 19, 2011

I'll give it too you. That's the first time that I've recognized a valid arguement from you. Of course, I've only been here for a month.

Truth is I really don't take this as seriously as you think and you probably don't either. It's just entertainment.

I do take the Slash side on those certain topics but I don't hate axl or nuGNR.

I do get fired up when you randomly bash people but you did respond to my points with valid counterpoints.

I just like to argue and I've come to the conclusion that's it's just a waste of time on my part and no one will agree on this issue. Also putting out negative energy toward axl is pointless on my part I've come to realize because in the end I am a GNR fan and we ALL at least have that in common in the end.

I sleep now.

Slaxls · March 19, 2011