that checkmate clip maybe really be prostitute?

[gnr-dave]

There is a rumor floating around that the checkmate clip that came out a few months ago may in fact be a clip of prostitute and the name checkmate is not the title of the song but a metaphor and a FU to managment because the leak is out there. Yes merck said that checkmate is not a gnr song, but im sure checkmate is not a title of a gnr song so in a way he is not lying. Also even if it was you know merck would not tell us it was.

[Monty]

Where do rumours fly about? Other forums you mean?

Monty

[Arcade Roses]

The only way this would work out is that the other songs this leaker *supposedly* coughed up were the 1999 versions of "IRS" and "TWAT". The "Trunk CD" was said to contain all three - and now we know that "Better" and "Prostitute" are not the same song, *ahem*, this could be a very realistic possibility. To look into this further we will need to re-examine the 2005 "IRS" - looking for drums and things, *hint*, *hint*.

However, these are not or do not strike me as being the "Prostitute" lyrics:

from CD.com

Guitar Intro

all dozen slayed, every chance, one given, dont ever spin ,just say what we had*

or it would take, away the light we given, once it is ours, were free from this land

dont ever expect me to turn up this late

mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

*interlude*

as i then ran, as fast as i could, memories both friends, escaped from my hand

ive got a gun, now the bloods on my hands, everything you see is here till the end

dont ever expect me to turn up this late

mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

*solo*

lies that ive told, lies that ive given

lies that ive sold, lies that have driven

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

all dozens slayed, every chance, one given, dont ever spin ,just say what we had

or it would take, away the light we given, once it is ours, were free from this land

dont ever expect me to turn up this late

mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

Outro + Solo

All Thoughts in lane (all thoughts in lane)

every chance we gave (ever chance we gave)

dont ever spare (dont ever spare)

im here till the end (checkmate)

im here till the end

im here till the end

(*By the way, this is IMHO a clear reference to "spin-doctoring". "Dont ever spin ,just say what we had" - it's not "illogical"; it's just clever songwriting.)

(Yo, nambis, PMs.)

Edited November 2, 2006 by RedEurope

[nambis]

LOL, gnr-dave makes up a rumor on HTGTH and now comes here and says "there's a rumor floating around that..."

Edited November 2, 2006 by nambis

[gnr-dave]

When have I EVER made up anything? Anyone who knows me knows that I dont just make up shit. I heard this from someone who does not post on the boards over aim. This person told me that checkmate is not the title of the song but its a dig at management. I cross posted this on the forums to give people the heads up.

Edited November 2, 2006 by gnr-dave

[nambis]

The only way this would work out is that the other songs this leaker *supposedly* coughed up were the 1999 versions of "IRS" and "TWAT". The "Trunk CD" was said to contain all three - and now we know that "Better" and "Prostitute" are not the same song, *ahem*, this could be a very realistic possibility. To look into this further we will need to re-examine the 2005 "IRS" - looking for drums and things, *hint*, *hint*.

However, these are not or do not strike me as being the "Prostitute" lyrics:

from CD.com

Guitar Intro

all dozen slayed, every chance, one given, dont ever spin ,just say what we had*

or it would take, away the light we given, once it is ours, were free from this land

dont ever expect me to turn up this late

mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

*interlude*

as i then ran, as fast as i could, memories both friends, escaped from my hand

ive got a gun, now the bloods on my hands, everything you see is here till the end

dont ever expect me to turn up this late

mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

*solo*

lies that ive told, lies that ive given

lies that ive sold, lies that have driven

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

all dozens slayed, every chance, one given, dont ever spin ,just say what we had

or it would take, away the light we given, once it is ours, were free from this land

dont ever expect me to turn up this late

mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

Outro + Solo

All Thoughts in lane (all thoughts in lane)

every chance we gave (ever chance we gave)

dont ever spare (dont ever spare)

im here till the end (checkmate)

im here till the end

im here till the end

(*By the way, this is IMHO a clear reference to "spin-doctoring". "Dont ever spin ,just say what we had" - it's not "illogical"; it's just clever songwriting.

(Yo, nambis, PMs.)

Where did those lyrics come from? they're really good, and even if they're fake i'm 45948937549837593475 times more pumped about this song rock1

[vegasjunkie2004]

The only way this would work out is that the other songs this leaker *supposedly* coughed up were the 1999 versions of "IRS" and "TWAT". The "Trunk CD" was said to contain all three - and now we know that "Better" and "Prostitute" are not the same song, *ahem*, this could be a very realistic possibility. To look into this further we will need to re-examine the 2005 "IRS" - looking for drums and things, *hint*, *hint*.

However, these are not or do not strike me as being the "Prostitute" lyrics:

from CD.com

Guitar Intro

all dozen slayed, every chance, one given, dont ever spin ,just say what we had*

or it would take, away the light we given, once it is ours, were free from this land

dont ever expect me to turn up this late

mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

*interlude*

as i then ran, as fast as i could, memories both friends, escaped from my hand

ive got a gun, now the bloods on my hands, everything you see is here till the end

dont ever expect me to turn up this late

mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

*solo*

lies that ive told, lies that ive given

lies that ive sold, lies that have driven

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

all dozens slayed, every chance, one given, dont ever spin ,just say what we had

or it would take, away the light we given, once it is ours, were free from this land

dont ever expect me to turn up this late

mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

Outro + Solo

All Thoughts in lane (all thoughts in lane)

every chance we gave (ever chance we gave)

dont ever spare (dont ever spare)

im here till the end (checkmate)

im here till the end

im here till the end

(*By the way, this is IMHO a clear reference to "spin-doctoring". "Dont ever spin ,just say what we had" - it's not "illogical"; it's just clever songwriting.

(Yo, nambis, PMs.)

Where did those lyrics come from? they're really good, and even if they're fake i'm 45948937549837593475 times more pumped about this song rock1

i have to admit..i'm liking the lyrics.

[Arcade Roses]

Anyone who knows me knows that I dont just make up shit. I heard this from someone who does not post on the boards over aim.

You don't "make up shit", but "someone who does not post on the boards over aim" is helpful.

This person told me that checkmate is not the title of the song but its a dig at management. I cross posted this on the forums to give people the heads up.

Then, by that logic, the "GodsRoses" lyrics could be fake (could well be)? Ahh, the joys of being a new GN'R fan.

Nambis, those lyrics are damn cool IMHO, and, as someone else said, would more fit a song called "The General" than "Prostitute". Thus, dave, have you read the "'Checkmate' = 'The General'" theory from a few months ago?

Edited November 2, 2006 by RedEurope

[gnr-dave]

I never read that other theory.

[highvoltage]

Guys, i'd just like to make sure that nobody takes any rumours RedEurope spreads seriously, ok? He's prone to believing anything he reads, and talking as though he's "in the know".

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

Axl doesn't write lyrics this lame.

[Spoon87]

Guys, i'd just like to make sure that nobody takes any rumours RedEurope spreads seriously, ok? He's prone to believing anything he reads, and talking as though he's "in the know".

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

Axl doesn't write lyrics this lame.

Thanks man!

I'm getting tired of RedEurope and his bullshit rumours...

[Arcade Roses]

Guys, i'd just like to make sure that nobody takes any rumours RedEurope spreads seriously, ok? He's prone to believing anything he reads, and talking as though he's "in the know".

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

Axl doesn't write lyrics this lame.

"No one ever told me when I was alone

They just thought I'd know better.. better..."

bet no one would have thought they were Axl lyrics at one point.

Those lyrics I posted came from CD.com and could be fake. Like 'em though. Aren't we allowed to dissect a case or claim without "don't take anything so-and-so says seriously"?

[dobadog]

Checkmate is the only leak i have yet to hear. Am i missing out on much?

Since Checkmate is the only leak not to have been played live, this leads me to believe that the song is either no good or fake.

[tucka]

catcher hasn't been played live

[dobadog]

catcher hasn't been played live

Good call

[highvoltage]

Those lyrics I posted came from CD.com and could be fake. Like 'em though. Aren't we allowed to dissect a case or claim without "don't take anything so-and-so says seriously"?

No. Because some people are too stupid to do that and refuse to take anything they read with a grain of salt.

That's why a year later, we still have people talking about "German Warfare" and "Russian Intrigue" -

[Jackamo!]

No it's not prostitute.

Prostitute was already described by the engineer guy like a ochestra-type song kind of like TWAT I guess. The check mate clip sounds more industrial.

[LoungeFly04]

Guys, i'd just like to make sure that nobody takes any rumours RedEurope spreads seriously, ok? He's prone to believing anything he reads, and talking as though he's "in the know".

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

Axl doesn't write lyrics this lame.

Not saying you're wrong or that these lyrics are real or whatever, but he did write this:

"Oh baby, pretty baby

Oh honey, you let me down honey"

Which I've always considered to be kinda lame. I do like the song, though.

Edited November 2, 2006 by LoungeFly04

[bass71player]

man i haven't listened to that clip in so long... i forgot how awesome it is. though it makes me kind of embarrassed to say a 16 second clip is so awesome. i hope it's real and i don't care what the title is.

what are the lyrics in the clip?

edit: i guess the lyrics are the first line of the rumored lyrics on the first page

Edited November 2, 2006 by bass71player

[ForeverGNR]

Guys, i'd just like to make sure that nobody takes any rumours RedEurope spreads seriously, ok? He's prone to believing anything he reads, and talking as though he's "in the know".

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

Axl doesn't write lyrics this lame.

Not saying you're wrong or that these lyrics are real or whatever, but he did write this:

"Oh baby, pretty baby

Oh honey, you let me down honey"

Which I've always considered to be kinda lame. I do like the song, though.

i'm soo confused.. checkmate, psotitute, the generel.. WTF?? those lyrics you wrote there, what song is that from?

[bass71player]

Guys, i'd just like to make sure that nobody takes any rumours RedEurope spreads seriously, ok? He's prone to believing anything he reads, and talking as though he's "in the know".

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

Axl doesn't write lyrics this lame.

Not saying you're wrong or that these lyrics are real or whatever, but he did write this:

"Oh baby, pretty baby

Oh honey, you let me down honey"

Which I've always considered to be kinda lame. I do like the song, though.

i'm soo confused.. checkmate, psotitute, the generel.. WTF?? those lyrics you wrote there, what song is that from?

the lyrics are the supposed lyrics to 'checkmate' though whether or not that song is gnr is up for debate... merck has said that it is not a gnr song, so people have assumed it's either the general or prosititute, which are both rumored tracks on CD

[the_general]

'all dozen slayed, every chance, one given, dont ever spin ,just say what we had*'

sounds more to me like

'all cautions made, every chance was given, no effort spared, to save what we had'

i duno mayby im jst crazy

[highvoltage]

Guys, i'd just like to make sure that nobody takes any rumours RedEurope spreads seriously, ok? He's prone to believing anything he reads, and talking as though he's "in the know".

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

Axl doesn't write lyrics this lame.

Not saying you're wrong or that these lyrics are real or whatever, but he did write this:

"Oh baby, pretty baby

Oh honey, you let me down honey"

Which I've always considered to be kinda lame. I do like the song, though.

i'm soo confused.. checkmate, psotitute, the generel.. WTF?? those lyrics you wrote there, what song is that from?

The "Oh baby, pretty baby Oh honey, you let me down honey" is from Back Off Bitch. He's just comparing how lame those are with the RedEurope's supposed "lyrics" to Checkmate which are on the first page.

Edited November 2, 2006 by highvoltage

[ForeverGNR]

Guys, i'd just like to make sure that nobody takes any rumours RedEurope spreads seriously, ok? He's prone to believing anything he reads, and talking as though he's "in the know".

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

Axl doesn't write lyrics this lame.

Not saying you're wrong or that these lyrics are real or whatever, but he did write this:

"Oh baby, pretty baby

Oh honey, you let me down honey"

Which I've always considered to be kinda lame. I do like the song, though.

i'm soo confused.. checkmate, psotitute, the generel.. WTF?? those lyrics you wrote there, what song is that from?

The "Oh baby, pretty baby Oh honey, you let me down honey" is from Back Off Bitch. He's just comparing how lame those are with the RedEurope's supposed "lyrics" to Checkmate which are on the first page.

Guys, i'd just like to make sure that nobody takes any rumours RedEurope spreads seriously, ok? He's prone to believing anything he reads, and talking as though he's "in the know".

me mad to the top of my own head

me mad to the top of my head

at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late

well now honey, my turn, check mate

Axl doesn't write lyrics this lame.

Not saying you're wrong or that these lyrics are real or whatever, but he did write this:

"Oh baby, pretty baby

Oh honey, you let me down honey"

Which I've always considered to be kinda lame. I do like the song, though.

i'm soo confused.. checkmate, psotitute, the generel.. WTF?? those lyrics you wrote there, what song is that from?

the lyrics are the supposed lyrics to 'checkmate' though whether or not that song is gnr is up for debate... merck has said that it is not a gnr song, so people have assumed it's either the general or prosititute, which are both rumored tracks on CD

Thanks

[bass71player]

'all dozen slayed, every chance, one given, dont ever spin ,just say what we had*'

sounds more to me like

'all cautions made, every chance was given, no effort spared, to save what we had'

i duno mayby im jst crazy

yeah that's what i was thinking

edit: listening to it again those are most def. the lyrics... redeurope's are completely bogus

Thanks

no problem

Edited November 2, 2006 by bass71player