sweetness Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) What I look for in songwriters are people who aren't afraid to be adventurous and think outside the box, try to create something that nobody else has ever tried to create.So what made Slash so special to you? He never did anything new, never adventured and think outside the box and whatever. He simply followed Jimmy Page's and Joe Perry's books and that's pretty much it.Well, I never said I thought Slash was a great song writer. He isn't. He's a great guitar player who works phenomenally well with good songwriters, and that's about it.But please, just because you play safely within the rock n roll boundaries doesn't mean you can't write guitar parts that aren't unique to your own personal style, and that's what is special to me about Slash. He has a distinct sound that you can't mistake, when you hear a Slash riff or guitar solo you know exactly who it is. DJ Ashba might as well play guitar for Nickelback, Theory of a Deadman, Seether, Buckcherry, and Stained, there's no distinction in his sound whatsoever, it just sounds like everything else on the radio; dry and inspired by the chance to get played on the radio.Even though he's a master at the pentatonic scale like Perry and Page, YOU KNOW it isn't either of those guys when Slash is playing, unless you're a tone def dumbass.Can't believe I need to explain that to somebody on a Guns N' Roses fan forum, what a joke. Edited January 5, 2012 by sweetness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Can't believe I need to explain that to somebody on a Guns N' Roses fan forum, what a joke.You said something that Slash (or even Axl!) wasn't so I was curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Can't believe I need to explain that to somebody on a Guns N' Roses fan forum, what a joke.You said something that Slash (or even Axl!) wasn't so I was curious.I disagree, Axl is a very talented songwriter and while he doesn't push boundaries so to speak he does create very original and fresh sounding material. When I first heard Catcher in The Rye I thought "damn, that's a very traditional rock song but the ideas sound completely original", because unlike DJ's work with Sixx AM it isn't catering to an audience, it actually sounds like a genuinely inspired song and at the end of the day that's all that really matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Can't believe I need to explain that to somebody on a Guns N' Roses fan forum, what a joke.You said something that Slash (or even Axl!) wasn't so I was curious.I disagree, Axl is a very talented songwriter and while he doesn't push boundaries so to speak he does create very original and fresh sounding material. When I first heard Catcher in The Rye I thought "damn, that's a very traditional rock song but the ideas sound completely original", because unlike DJ's work with Sixx AM it isn't catering to an audience, it actually sounds like a genuinely inspired song and at the end of the day that's all that really matters.As different as his songs sound sometimes, they're not really original/inventive songs. I mean, they're still mainly Hard Rock songs with several influences... he doesn't go to unusual ways to create music. There are some great compositions in the GNR catalog, and like you said, it's all that matters to people, but as musicians I don't think they ever pushed anybody or rock in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Can't believe I need to explain that to somebody on a Guns N' Roses fan forum, what a joke.You said something that Slash (or even Axl!) wasn't so I was curious.I disagree, Axl is a very talented songwriter and while he doesn't push boundaries so to speak he does create very original and fresh sounding material. When I first heard Catcher in The Rye I thought "damn, that's a very traditional rock song but the ideas sound completely original", because unlike DJ's work with Sixx AM it isn't catering to an audience, it actually sounds like a genuinely inspired song and at the end of the day that's all that really matters.As different as his songs sound sometimes, they're not really original/inventive songs. I mean, they're still mainly Hard Rock songs with several influences... he doesn't go to unusual ways to create music. There are some great compositions in the GNR catalog, and like you said, it's all that matters to people, but as musicians I don't think they ever pushed anybody or rock in general.Absolutely, but I'm talking within the general realm of rock n roll here. There's guys like Axl who make an effort to write creative memorable rock songs and then there's tools like DJ Ashba who write mid grade run of the mill shit you forget about after x amount of time, which is my original point. I wouldn't expect or want Axl to be writing post avant jazzcore or anything like that, that's never what I loved Guns N' Roses for. Still cracks me up to see people talk about Chinese Democracy in that sense though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomazrui Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Dizzy and Gilby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Absolutely, but I'm talking within the general realm of rock n roll here. There's guys like Axl who make an effort to write creative memorable rock songs and then there's tools like DJ Ashba who write mid grade run of the mill shit you forget about after x amount of time, which is my original pointAnd this is why I want Axl (and the other guys) to work a lot on Ashba songs (if there are any) since I don't want GNR to turn into fkn' Motley Crue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I'd rather not have him involved at all but hey it isn't my band Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphyra Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Axl? Least talented? 3 votes? You must be joking.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I don't know how anyone can say Adler his drumming was a key component of AFD even Izzy mentioned how important Steven was to GNR's sound. And many of the illusions song's too worked on by AdlerHis contribution to the band doesn't pertain to the topic at hand at all though. I don't have any doubt in my mind that Adler was a key component in the sound of Appetite, but in a strictly technical sense, he is the least proficient drummer GN'R has ever had.For current member I voted Tommy. Love the guy, he's the perfect bassist for the current band and he's got a killer stage presence, but he just doesn't have the chops that the rest of the guys do.Tommy is great on stage and does justice to the old songs but you need good speakers and to adjust sound settings to hear his bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2x4 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I can't believe Chris has so many votes as "least talented". Chris is a major contributor to this band and Chinses Democracy. Not to mention all the other bands and artists he has worked with/created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I can't believe Chris has so many votes as "least talented". Chris is a major contributor to this band and Chinses Democracy. Not to mention all the other bands and artists he has worked with/created.He co-wrote If The World and Madagascar. But he seems rather useless live when it comes to be older songs. He'd be doing Buckethead's parts if werent for Bumblefoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lirosee Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Chris and Adler...Who in the world even dare to vote for Axl?! November Rain? Don't Cry? Estranged? Dead Horse? Just to name a few... There's some crazy "fans" in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloe Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 What the? Now who the fuck voted Axl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandallFlagg Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 T_MAGIC , gnr2012 , ziggen , poisonheart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Whoever voted Buckethead should be killed. By his dolls that is. Seriously...who voted him doesnt have a clue. Same for who voted Axl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duda Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 LOL at people who voted for Axl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Devil Hill Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 What the? Now who the fuck voted Axl?cupcakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Whoever voted Buckethead should be killed. By his dolls that is. Seriously...who voted him doesnt have a clue. Same for who voted Axl.Well all he can do is tap and shred, he's got no "soul". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Whoever voted Buckethead should be killed. By his dolls that is. Seriously...who voted him doesnt have a clue. Same for who voted Axl.Well all he can do is tap and shred, he's got no "soul".Even then he aint as fast as Malmsteen and as technical as Govan therefore he sucks soooo much! What a souless and useless shredder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Axl Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 gotta be the drummers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOUCOULDBEMINE. Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Ha! I'm the first one to vote Slash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 gotta be the drummersidiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 dizzy reed is the least talented without any kind of doubt.he's been kissing axl's ass for more than 20 years, but musically he didn't bring anythingpitman brought things, reed didn'tyes, those who voted adler are idiotsafd wouldn't be afd without adler's groovy beatz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketslash Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Reed added stuff all over UYI and wrote some of the better songs on CD. Pitman did some okay stuff, and wrote one good song and one of the lesser songs.Meanwhile I have to give worst member former member to Matt Sorum. Worst drummer in GNR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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