Lumikki

I don't mind people being spiritual or having their own understanding of the world or whatever, but these people are just blatant rip-offs. These are the same people who took 70 000 dollars or something from Axl for an exorcism. I really despise frauds like that who prey on people who are dumb, vulnerable or desperate enough to fall for them.

(And yes, eating crackers and wine and pretending it's someone's body and blood is equally out there to me and I say that as someone who was raised Catholic.)

This is what I don't get about Axl. So many people (including Slash, Duff, etc) keep talking about how Axl is so intelligent, so smart, yadda yadda...

And yet he's apparently dumb enough to fall for these kinds of ridiculous frauds? What the hell 

Maybe I'm an awful person for this as well, but I feel Steven getting less than the rest of the band was justified. He contributed a lot less than the others, so why should he get an equal share? Besides, wasn't it Slash that came up with the percentage splits deciding who got how much? I never heard of Slash (or any of the others) sticking up for his buddy Steven and demanding Steven should be treated equally, so I assume Slash agreed with the way Steven was treated in this regard.

I'm not sure if I've seen his most recent interview, but I don't think anyone but Axl's most hard core ass-kissers are glossing over Axl being difficult. It's a fact that's well-known enough. I just love Axl, Slash, Duff and Izzy pretty much equally and I think each one's thoughts and feelings on the subject are valid, even Axl's. We just haven't really heard Axl's side of the story, and until we do, I try to keep an at least somewhat balanced and open-minded view on the whole GnR thing.

Meh. I'm starting to sound like an Axlite (or whatever the term is), but trying to look at things from Axl's perspective, I would probably have felt the same way as he did and it has nothing to do with ego.

The man straight-up admitted that he and Axl disliked each other right from the start. And it still shows. Even today, Alan Niven will go on an on about what a great guy Slash is and how much he loves him, etc. and yet he can't say a single nice thing about Axl. If the manager of my own band hated me, I would be hella uncomfortable with that as well.

And Alan Niven went and discussed kicking Axl out of the band with the other guys. Obviously, Axl's behaviour was the reason for them considering this in the first place, but from Axl's perspective? It's his manager and his band mates/friends going behind his back and scheming to get rid of him. I would have been really upset, hurt and pissed off about that in his place. Not to mention that getting rid of Axl (in 1988 or whenever that was) would have been a phenomenally stupid idea anyway.

And on a side note, Alan Niven also came across like a real asshole when he complained about Axl "constantly whining" about his childhood or whatever. Axl talked about it in a handful of interviews and that was it. Hardly whining. And anyway, why shouldn't he talk about it? It was quite a brave thing to do and I'm sure it helped a lot of people. There are a million legitimate reasons to criticize Axl, but him talking about child abuse and his experiences with it is not one of them.

Yeah, I wouldn't say I have zero interest in it (I did go to the concert after all and had a great time and everything), but I hope after this tour is over it's the end of the whole Axl/DC thing. I want all the focus on GnR. And preferably new music while we're at it (one can dream, right?)

2 hours ago, nonok said:

This. This post is everything. The topic can be closed to further replies now, cause you nailed that one straight on the head.

2 hours ago, Andy14 said:

Holy shit. You almost made me cry, girl. Great post!! 

Aww, thanks girls. I guess I just have a lot of feelings on that subject I can be quite critical of Axl at times, but I don't think he's the monster he's often portrayed as and I actually have a lot of empathy for him.

2 hours ago, WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself said:

I agree but the mental state of both Slash and Duff at the time wouldn't allow them to consider Axl's feelings.

I agree for the most part, and that's the tragedy of it. Slash and Duff aren't bad guys (Duff actually seems to be a really, really great guy even and a genuinely good person), they were just so wrapped up in their own addictions and problems that they completely failed Axl as friends/band mates/family/whatever.

1 hour ago, nn18 said:

And Izzy leaving just made the situation much worse. Axl once said something like, Izzy was the one who was always getting him back on the right road when he was massively wrong, or something along those lines. Not having someone who can get you to your sences is a major problem with someone like Axl. Plus Izzy was probably his closest friend among the guys in the band. They were born in the same town, they formed a first band together, Axl went to LA because of Izzy, and now he left him....Losing Izzy was probably the worst thing that could happen to Axl at that point, but the rest of the guys just didn't care 

Very true. Izzy has known Axl since they were kids and probably knew best how to handle him and deal with him. I love Izzy, but I always thought him just turning his back on his childhood friend and the band he himself created was pretty disappointing. I don't want to judge though, no one here knows what really happened and what it was like to be in his shoes. And I'll admit my feelings on this subject are a bit colored by Axl talking about how he was crying on the phone for hours, begging Izzy to stay. That was one of the first things I ever read about GnR and it broke my heart a little.

38 minutes ago, Blake Sabbath said:

Now you gone and done it! http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/axl-rose-is-getting-wardrobe-advice-from-acdc/

Christ almighty

And yes, I'm all for the "Let's start a fake rumor and see if these morons will take it up" idea by now.

I loved Duff's book and this also looks great. Hope the movie somehow makes its way on the internet though, because I doubt it will be shown in European cinemas and I really want to see it.

17 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

Btw. no tweets from Axl about Vienna and Prague. I take it personally (especially Prague) . He's sooooo lazy. Seems like once he started walk, he's stopped using hands. 

 

(just kidding )

I was thinking the same thing. Apparently we're not important enough...

Read the Prague thread. A brave guy there asked Axl about new music with Slash and Duff. You're a hero @R.T.

19 minutes ago, sturginho said:

Not the only article this guy has posted quoting you: http://www.alternativenation.net/angus-young-reveals-if-acdc-have-plans-to-work-with-axl-rose-brian-johnson-in-future/

Urgh. He must be really desperate to take (steal?) an account of a fan meeting posted on a message board (in which absolutely nothing of any serious importance was said) and then he tries to turn that into multiple articles. If I were Axl I'd tell him to suck my (imaginary) dick right now.

10 minutes ago, Axl_Fetish said:

I don't know if this has been posted, but @Lumikki Look, you're famous now http://www.alternativenation.net/axl-rose-fashion-advice-ac-dc-camp/

Hah yes, I saw in the other thread

6 minutes ago, Sekh-met said:

not that they bothered to write anything - copy+paste is the new journalism these days.

Yeah, loved that part as well

Thanks for making me aware of this. I just hope no one else follows their example.

Oh god, no

Don't these people have actual news to write about? Urgh.

40 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said:

I'm terrible at posting links to podcast...it never works but here's the sound cloud version. I think the link will work

https://m.soundcloud.com/dangerandplay/how-axl-rose-avoided-a-false

Thanks! Works fine!

30 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said:

I like the podcast with that guy that said he met a guy at a cigar place (between 2003-2006) he was talking a lot and they were talking about cigars and wines I guess the guy at the bar gets into stories about days when he was touring around the world and tells the guy how he narrowly avoided a false rape accusation after a girl came up to his room...

 

Anyways the podcast guy is describing the guy and says "he had long braids, kinda reddish brown color, not very tall so I'm sitting here thinking 'yea ok buddy I'm sure you had crazy after party's with your big band.'" Well I guess after a few more stories the guy ask his name and he said "Axl" and the podcast guy is thinking "wait what...Guns N Roses Axl f'n Rose" 

I'm sure many of you have heard this podcast, not sure if it's true but I love the story. I guess the point is for this thread that these guys did some odd things, but they were likely accused and sued from everywhere and for everything. 

I've never heard of that. Do you have a link?

4 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

Same like this but without photo or link to His IG

Thanks. But it's strange, I just went through Izzy's entire Twitter and it shows nothing like this for me. Maybe because I'm not registered or something?

4 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

I think its real after I see His Fanart post 

https://twitter.com/IzzyStradlin999/status/715185775927644164?s=09

Its same like on His twitter  but probably He didnt know how to share it from IG to Twitter

About posting Sport or Hanoi Rocks thing, If its manage by Fans, its probably just like every other member fanpage IG tht posting same stuff like The original account

Link doesn't work for me. Says the page doesn't exist. What did he post? I've never seen him post anything related to fan art on his twitter.

14 minutes ago, killuridols said:

I'm not American so I don't know how the law works over there. And maybe I was hyperbolizing the whole thing but my point is that if I had a guy doing that shit to me, I wouldn't settle down with money. But I don't know how is domestic violence handled in the U.S..... does it really all end up in negotiating a payment for the victim? If it's like that, then fucking lame.

I remember reading (here somewhere probably?) that Steph and Erin would have had to take their case to criminal court instead of civil court if they wanted Axl to go to jail or something. But Stephanie only filed a civil suit and then subpoenad Erin (I think?). Erin herself wouldn't even have gone to court at all. She said she blamed herself for how Axl treated her and only when she learned that he did the same thing to Stephanie did she come forward.

47 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

http://instagram.com/izzystradlin999

Ok, I didnt know Izzy has an IG...

Wonder if this manage by a Fan or Him????

This is actually very interesting.

And it's not exactly the same as his Twitter. I don't know if it's a fake or not, but if it's a fake it's a really good one. Because that person has the same spelling idiosyncrasies as Izzy. And posts stuff that is very Izzy-like (the Hanoi Rocks thing for example, various sport type things...)

The only thing that gives me pause is the fan art thing. Would Izzy really post fan art of himself that people send him? I have no idea.

3 minutes ago, killuridols said:

What would you know of her feelings and her current contact with Axl?

whoa, isnt that like going TOO FAR about someone you dont know?

Unless you were a teacher of Erin, I dont know how you can affirm she's not very bright. And what would that matter anyway for a relationship? Smart people get involved in crazy relationships too. Bright or not, she must be a special person and meant a lot to Axl (even with the problems) to inspire such beautiful songs he wrote for her.

Like someone said above, it is HER relationship and it is her feelings. No one else than her and Axl know what really happened there and the mutual feelings they have or had. Slash went back to Meegan and no one is judging or saying how bad it is that he divorced his wife and went back to an old relationship that didn't work 25 years ago.

I'm just stating what's been said and written about her. Obviously, I don't know her personally, but it seems plausible from what I've seen. And I only said that because someone commented that she acted like a teenager and it would explain that kind of behavior. I'm not saying her feeling aren't valid. Like I said before, I think they're perfectly valid and she has every right to express them, but lots of people will find her behaviour quite odd or questionable, considering her and Axl's history (if it was me for example, I would probably never forgive Axl, if what she said about him is true).

But like you yourself said in an earlier post, relationships are complicated. If she truly has forgiven Axl and wants to be with him, I'm going to raise my eye brows and certainly have my opinions about that, but I'm not even going to judge. They're both different people nowadays and who knows how things would work out this time around.

We "know" it's true because like I said, it's not just Erin, but half a dozen women, and coupled with everything else we know about Axl, a certain picture just begins to emerge. And no, it doesn't legally prove anything, but it makes it highly, highly unlikely that Axl's just an innocent little lamb and all the lying women are just out ta get him.

Some reading on that topic:

http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/2001axl/articles/RSLostYrs2.html  (this article even quotes Meegan)

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20103471,00.html

33 minutes ago, starlight said:

It's true

 

Of course .But I believe at some point in your life you must start facing reality especially when you're 50.She acts like a teenager in love and as if Axl was still her boyfriend

The thing with Erin is... that she's not very bright.

I've always gotten that impression, but I recently read some quotes by someone who actually knew her saying that the title "Sweet child o mine" was very apt, because Erin really was like a child in many aspects. Also very naive apparently. I also remember a magazine article describing her as "a slow learner who struggled in school". She seems like a nice and kind person, so I feel bad for even saying this, but it might explain why she acts the way you described.

I can think of at least 5-6 women who have come forward saying that Axl either physically or sexually assaulted them (or both in Erin's case). And we all know that Axl's got a temper and a shitload of issues (or used to have those at least). That paints a pretty damning picture in my opinion.

31 minutes ago, Billsfan said:

Well it's her right to post and say what she wants. She was in the relationship, no one else, so her thoughts and judgement means more than a random poster on a fan forum who believes they completely understood a relationship that they weren't in

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, if she truly has forgiven him and looks back only with love and understanding, then she really is a very sweet woman and she's certainly allowed to express her current feelings about Axl. But in general, it doesn't sit well with me to see thousands of people encouraging a woman to go back to a man who has, by her own account, treated her absolutely abominably.

6 minutes ago, killuridols said:

wow is that her real username? Because I remember she changed it but thank you! I will check into that account, haha. It's crazy... but ever since she started posting photos of him on her Instagram I kind sensed there was something going on, so if its true then Im happy for them

 

Yes, it's her real username. She mostly posts stuff about her kids, sometimes Meegan, Axl, Slash, etc. It's private, but she pretty much accepts anyone who wants to follow her apparently.

2 minutes ago, killuridols said:

There's a whole new wave of teenager fans, mostly girls, who are crazy in love with Axl and have whole Instagrams and Tumblr accounts dedicated to him. They are the ones who lead these requests of Erin & Axl back. Also check Axl's twitter, whenever he posts anything, he gets like 1000 replies from very young girls telling him all kind of sexual stuff. Lol, it's insane.

True. Tumblr is where I learn all of this weird stuff