UK SUBS

They all read mygnr. From axl down over -- don't let anyone kid you otherwise.

You can moan, knock, slate, obsess over mygnr time and time again but -- it will never ever change

Nice work RUSS

This is why I'm no longer admin

Although I'm less bloated, so...

Yeah....... No

Another.

not sure why I didn't hit the ban button before I left oh well

Because you're better than that, Subs.

Yep. Decent to all. Even people who treated me like crap.

I've learned to smile and walk away (ish!!) it's a great trait others should learn.

Anyway, back on topic

ok

Subsy said he heard the plan was for it to come out this year

"subsy" was the owner of this site, he was obviously interested in making people believe that there would be something new this year...

Always upfront and honest -- and other forums have reported similar comments. Making people believe? Lol - this is GNR i think people aren't stupid. I report what I hear, simple.

You Ferrari can shove his like up his negative arsehole aswell not sure why I didn't hit the ban button before I left oh well

Ron has acted pretty poorly over this -- his dramatic tweets, status changes, criptic messages etc etc are only hurting (ironically) his fans that want to see him in GNR. You think axl is loosing any sleep over this? Give me a fuckin break. Go on RON, keep those advertisers/promoters aligning your name next to "GNR's" while you hint (cowardly) artistry abandonment. What a joke. It's just beyond embarrassing at this point. you should have come out and declared you were out or kept your mouth shut while your employers were paying your wages. Next to nobody knew who you were before Axl hooked you a line, I'd have respected your frustrations had they been communicated in a straight forward way but the way YOU have handled this (Axl/GNR have said nothing) is a major let down to your fan base, thankfully, I don't feel let down in the slightest.

Thanks peeps really appreciate it

I know I was far from perfect but what can I say, I did my best. The future is much brighter now for all.

I understand your decision Subs, ofcourse family comes first, but I don't like it.

Anyway thanks for keeping this forum alive and I wish you all the best.

Best of luck to Downzy ofcourse.

Aww thanks MB -- you're in awesome hands please trust me when I say this. Mygnrforum will CERTAINLY be around for a very long time I assure you!

As will I

Before

wow, what an exclusive!!

Lol

I know right?!? What an idiot Mitch Lafon is. How dare he call that an exclusive. He needs to get a more high profile guest with more juicy information such as someone like Vicky Hamilton

No, you've missed the point Hitman my man. we were being mocked saying this upcoming interview was a 'real exclusive' -- people got excited and thennnnmmmmmnnn, not so much, haha. Mitch seems a cool journo.

But yeah I agree, the Vicky interview was better man

the reign of doom is over!

The new one if DEFO better than the old one!

The way you solve a problem is by first identifying it. The problem is Islamist terror. First you have to stop, look at the causes of it, where it comes from and decide if there is anything you can do from where you're at to make things better. Where does it come from, do these people have any legitimate gripe at all or are they all just nutcases?

Israel and Palestine is a big thing for them, something they make a point of...is there anything we can do in regards to that? Is there anything wrong we've been doing in regards to that that has led to where we're at?

Look at the military occupation of countries like Iraq and Afghanistan...take a look at exactly what has been done to those people and then ask yourself why people might be responding in violent ways?

MB, you make a point of all these young boys thinking this particular way about the Charlie Hebdo thing, do you think it's cuz they're all insane really? Or do you think maybe they assess a proposition and then respond based on that? The Charlie Hebdo attack happened and a big hoopla happens about freedom of expression and it being compromised. So little Dutch muslim kid sits and considers the idea the burqa is banned in France. We're talking about freedom of expression here right? What message do you think that sends the little kid? I'll tell ya, it sends the little kid the message that it's freedom of expression for THEM. There's a distinct message to that and that message is that you, by virtue of being a muslim, are not as important as non-muslims because your freedom of expression is hindered by way of legislation, it's the LAW that girls from your faith can't fulfill their religious practises. How would you feel about an attack against that mentality then?

Turn on the news EVERY day and Muslims are getting splattered, across the fuckin' world. Go about in your own country, or the one you're in anyway, and all you hear is 'well if they don't like our traditions then they can fuck off' when no fuckers said anything about getting rid of anyone elses traditions. To be spoken about like an 'issue' everywhere you fuckin' go, to have people that have absolutely no clue whatsoever about what life is like in the areas of your background and to listen to them waffle on ad infinitum, with suggestions from 'we should nuke them!' to bullshit diatribes cuz they've read whatever NY Times bestseller bullshit giving the lowdown on the war on terror, to having all and sundry banging on about 'well the muslim community should say this' or 'the muslim community should say that', what do you expect them to feel like?

Tally up how many muslims have been killed because of bullshit wars then tally up how many of your lot have been killed by Islamic terror organisations. Is wholesale murder, torture and brutuality acceptable because it's done under the auspices of a government instead of a ragtag bunch of misguided nutcases? I don't believe it is.

You'll NEVER solve this problem, not ever because it's not in anyone important enoughs interest to solve the problem. It's about money and it's about governments profiteering for the consolidation of power for the next 20 to 30 years, it's about manuevring and positioning oneself to maintain control for the future and the rise of a bunch of ignorant bloodthirsty muslims who aren't clever enough (or otherwise equipped) to respond to attack on them in any other way than terrorism and thereby colouring themselves as the bad guys (and rightly so to a point) is JUUUUST whats needed to keep all the pieces on the right place of the chessboard, quite frankly it's a God send for those that know how to use shit like that.

And all these debates and discussions on a grassroots level by people like me and you about what needs to be done about Islam etc etc etc are all a bit of a cocksuck. They mean literally nothing. There is absolutely zero possibility, even if every Islamic terror organisation banded together, pooled strength and went balls out, that they could really make any serious bid to take over or effect anything, it is literally laughable as a notion that in this day and age of military power and nuclear arms and all this shit, it's a joke quite frankly, in the words of Malcolm McLaren 'half these wankers couldn't get themselves organised to buy a cup of coffee'.

And y'know what else? It ain't in your interest to address these problems really. Or mine. Because to do so is to pick at the fabric of our society, the way our governments and politicians work and the things they do in our name to uphold our society the way it is. The harsh truth is we enjoy and love our way of life enough that why would we care to change our shit just cuz a bunch of brown people are getting fucked on the other side of the world with it? We get way too much out of our 5,000 cable channels and football teams and movies and nice clothes and creature comforts to REALLY care.

I mean its a proposition worth considering, if the people in charge of our shit are wrong and killing people abroad unjustly for the sake of maintaining our society as it is, do we care enough about those other people to really go all out against our government to stop that shit? The answer to that is no, we don't. I might sit and sigh at the odd news report or get the hump over some Daily Mail article but the truth is i care too much about my ability to catch Arsenal on the weekend or watch Showtime Sports PPV with the latest big fight to really give a fuck about any of that stuff.

All this high minded talk about morality and justice and human rights...it's all bullshit. Total bullshit. At the root of it all is money and none of us, not us, not our governments, none of us really give a shit about anything other than the maintaining of our way of life, regardless of whether its based on injustice to some invisible (to us) masses somewhere on the other side of the world.

This problem is just the continuation of bogeyman syndrome, there's always one, the shit that the governments use to pass legislations and ennact initiatives that serve their interests. It's been commies, it's been the IRA, it's been religions, its been political ideology and today and probably for the next few decades its gonna be 'Islamism'.

Now this isn't to say that there isn't an issue with Islamic terror because there is...and it's being exacerbated from both sides. And it's not a construct of our governments but it is cynically and strategically manipulated for our benefit and it will continue to be. Really, these hell for leather scripture era religious nuts are a God send for governments, give em a cause and they'll fight to death alongside you, just like they did in Afghanistan against Russians when they were our widdle buddies. But then poke em yourself and they'll turn on you and give you the perfect foil from where to blag your population into a siege mentality and then justify yourself flying and floating across the world and re-defining imperialism for the 21st Century.

Wow great post.

I'd like it but there's was too much I didn't agree with. But, really great detailed post that I enjoyed reading

I was 'told' that there would be an album in 2015.

Listening to Richard there makes me think theres been developments -- given bbf current debacle, I honestly can't see axl wanting to leave his parts on a new record. I really can't see it. To that end, feels like 2006 but worse. That's just my opinion though; I hope I'm wrong

Who needs HV and Subs?

They still are enormously helpful and do a lot around here, it's just not noticeable from the outside looking in.

We're joking =)

Indeed ... someone have to pay the bills

Indeed -- he's doing that ASWELL!

wow, what an exclusive!!

Lol

This has nothing to do with "multiculturalism" because this is not a result of "cultures clashing". This is the result of a lone killer who are opposed to (some of) our values. He does not represent any "culture" because no culture, as far I I know of, would applaud his actions (except, perhaps a few of the more extremist jihadist Islamistic groups).

What is the result of "multiculturalism", though, is when low-IQ youth who are confused and afraid, attack innocent Muslims and burn down mosques in Sweden, because they can't handle seeing dark-skinned people with strange customs among themselves, or because they find that their lack of any job-related skills and abilities makes them out-competed in the job-market by immigrants who actually are able to add vaue to society, in contrast to themselves.

Well, yeah, it has everything to do with multiculturalism. Do you think this would have happened if Denmark hadn't had so many Muslims? Also, you may say that most Muslims doesn't support this, but do you ever see more than a handful of individuals that ever condemn any of it? They DO approve of it. You never see leaders of their countries condemning it saying it has nothing to do with Islam, you never see big demonstrations after terror attacks. They may be non-violent, but they will always take the side of the Muslims when these things happen instead of protesting it and let it be known that "this has nothing to do with Islam".

As for your second part, call me stupid all you want, but I've never been unemployed for a period of time and if you knew anything about the labour market here you'd know that I wouldn't have to worry about competition from immigrants there as most of them are more than content with living on our tax money. Also, I've never set a mosque on fire. Or any other building for that matter.

You are lying and this post worth a suspension, imho

Why on earth would that post on its own merit a suspension?

I disagree with 99% of SS's posts but he speaks from the heart and he's passionate -- engage him, he rarely (ever?) goes on a personal attack on any member and he suffers some very personal attacks.

Like I say. I think his views are very misguided but if he's debating intelligently (non abusive) then challenge and engage him. Screaming 'ban' is just ridiculous.

so if i post rascist shit every day here with passion and with heart i'll get a free pass from you?

There's a reasons why he got the personal attacks

If you can't see this, you are the one who wired wrong

He is debating intelligently?

"religion of peace" posts almost every thread about terrorism and islam here....

omg, man

You saying I'm not wired right? Are you mental??

YOU said based on that POST he should be suspended. What in that POST was so outrages he should be suspended? Don't answer actually, I know the answer, nothing.

The amount of rascist lies

Plus the "religion of peace" thing

Plus his all around behaviour here

I'm just glad that you are not an admin of this board anymore...

Downzy already put him on his place on the other thread

Here in Ireland multiculturalism is a long way behind the rest of Europe but the problems are already beginning to arise. The country is 99% Catholic, it is part and parcel of what it means to be Irish. Yet in recent years there has been a growing number of incidents where Muslims have objected to a whole range of things - from Christmas Trees, Christmas Lights, Cribs, Crosses and Crucifixes, demanding that they be removed from public buildings, schools, hospitals etc.

It has pissed a lot of people off. They are starting to take over neighborhoods and want to build Europe's largest Mosque in Dublin.

People don't want this. They don't want our cities and towns following the path of Britain & France & Sweden where entire areas are predominantly Muslim.

One cleric is already calling for an overhaul of Ireland's education system, demanding the implementation of Sharia law. He has also recently threatened to sue any media outlet that publishes the Charlue Hebdo images.

I don't have a problem with Muslims coming to live here but I, and most other Irish people, do have a problem with them trying to change the country to suit their religious views, views that are utterly alien to 99% of the population and wholly at odds with what it means to be Irish.

Frankly if they don't like it, they can fuck off and go to a Muslim country where they can find all the things they are looking for.

You may not have your equal share of Muslims but there is a SIGNIFICANT amount of eastern Europeon and Nigerons living and working in Dublin, a point most Dubliners feel very strongly about (the ones I've engaged that is).

True, and its the same in the rest of Ireland. Part of the problem is the EU rules on immigration withing the EU (allowing in loads of unskilled Polish into the country causing a huge strain on social welfare) and the other is our own Governments useless policy on immigration from Africa leading to the same problem with Nigerians.

We are still not so far down the road as Britain but I can see us ending up the same. It's going to destroy this country but anybody who speaks up is immediately singled out by do-gooder liberal groups and labelled a racist.

It's complete bollocks. These same groups then offer nothing when it comes to tackling the problems these loose immigration policies cause.

maybe you high skilled irish dudes can go and clean toilets and work on SPAR's, then "unskilled" polish immigrants whom worked the poorest jobs for your greedy asses can fuck off from your absolutely lovely and friendly country....

This racist bullshit on this site is really getting on my nerves now!

JESUS people don't half scream racism far too easily these days, imo.

Here in Ireland multiculturalism is a long way behind the rest of Europe but the problems are already beginning to arise. The country is 99% Catholic, it is part and parcel of what it means to be Irish. Yet in recent years there has been a growing number of incidents where Muslims have objected to a whole range of things - from Christmas Trees, Christmas Lights, Cribs, Crosses and Crucifixes, demanding that they be removed from public buildings, schools, hospitals etc.

It has pissed a lot of people off. They are starting to take over neighborhoods and want to build Europe's largest Mosque in Dublin.

People don't want this. They don't want our cities and towns following the path of Britain & France & Sweden where entire areas are predominantly Muslim.

One cleric is already calling for an overhaul of Ireland's education system, demanding the implementation of Sharia law. He has also recently threatened to sue any media outlet that publishes the Charlue Hebdo images.

I don't have a problem with Muslims coming to live here but I, and most other Irish people, do have a problem with them trying to change the country to suit their religious views, views that are utterly alien to 99% of the population and wholly at odds with what it means to be Irish.

Frankly if they don't like it, they can fuck off and go to a Muslim country where they can find all the things they are looking for.

This has nothing to do with "multiculturalism" because this is not a result of "cultures clashing". This is the result of a lone killer who are opposed to (some of) our values. He does not represent any "culture" because no culture, as far I I know of, would applaud his actions (except, perhaps a few of the more extremist jihadist Islamistic groups).

What is the result of "multiculturalism", though, is when low-IQ youth who are confused and afraid, attack innocent Muslims and burn down mosques in Sweden, because they can't handle seeing dark-skinned people with strange customs among themselves, or because they find that their lack of any job-related skills and abilities makes them out-competed in the job-market by immigrants who actually are able to add vaue to society, in contrast to themselves.

Well, yeah, it has everything to do with multiculturalism. Do you think this would have happened if Denmark hadn't had so many Muslims? Also, you may say that most Muslims doesn't support this, but do you ever see more than a handful of individuals that ever condemn any of it? They DO approve of it. You never see leaders of their countries condemning it saying it has nothing to do with Islam, you never see big demonstrations after terror attacks. They may be non-violent, but they will always take the side of the Muslims when these things happen instead of protesting it and let it be known that "this has nothing to do with Islam".

As for your second part, call me stupid all you want, but I've never been unemployed for a period of time and if you knew anything about the labour market here you'd know that I wouldn't have to worry about competition from immigrants there as most of them are more than content with living on our tax money. Also, I've never set a mosque on fire. Or any other building for that matter.

You are lying and this post worth a suspension, imho

Why on earth would that post on its own merit a suspension?

I disagree with 99% of SS's posts but he speaks from the heart and he's passionate -- engage him, he rarely (ever?) goes on a personal attack on any member and he suffers some very personal attacks.

Like I say. I think his views are very misguided but if he's debating intelligently (non abusive) then challenge and engage him. Screaming 'ban' is just ridiculous.

so if i post rascist shit every day here with passion and with heart i'll get a free pass from you?

There's a reasons why he got the personal attacks

If you can't see this, you are the one who wired wrong

He is debating intelligently?

"religion of peace" posts almost every thread about terrorism and islam here....

omg, man

YOU said based on that POST he should be suspended. What in that POST was so outrages he should be suspended? Don't answer actually, I know the answer, nothing.

@Subs

I would never consider going to such a wedding. Arranged wedding, what year are we living in? Is she allowed to drive and go outside the house without her father's permission?

Also, if the vast majority of the Muslims are so outraged about it, perhaps they should make their voice heard about it? You never hear more than a handful individuals denouncing it in any way.

The closest thing I've ever been to speaking to a Muslim is this guy in my class who was born and raised Muslim, but who has realised that it's an evil ideology since he moved to Sweden, so he hates the religion even more than I do. We've discussed Islam lots in fact.

@Motivated

Well, in my not so humble opinion I've not lied at all.

This has nothing to do with "multiculturalism" because this is not a result of "cultures clashing". This is the result of a lone killer who are opposed to (some of) our values. He does not represent any "culture" because no culture, as far I I know of, would applaud his actions (except, perhaps a few of the more extremist jihadist Islamistic groups).

What is the result of "multiculturalism", though, is when low-IQ youth who are confused and afraid, attack innocent Muslims and burn down mosques in Sweden, because they can't handle seeing dark-skinned people with strange customs among themselves, or because they find that their lack of any job-related skills and abilities makes them out-competed in the job-market by immigrants who actually are able to add vaue to society, in contrast to themselves.

Well, yeah, it has everything to do with multiculturalism. Do you think this would have happened if Denmark hadn't had so many Muslims? Also, you may say that most Muslims doesn't support this, but do you ever see more than a handful of individuals that ever condemn any of it? They DO approve of it. You never see leaders of their countries condemning it saying it has nothing to do with Islam, you never see big demonstrations after terror attacks. They may be non-violent, but they will always take the side of the Muslims when these things happen instead of protesting it and let it be known that "this has nothing to do with Islam".

As for your second part, call me stupid all you want, but I've never been unemployed for a period of time and if you knew anything about the labour market here you'd know that I wouldn't have to worry about competition from immigrants there as most of them are more than content with living on our tax money. Also, I've never set a mosque on fire. Or any other building for that matter.

You are lying and this post worth a suspension, imho

I disagree with 99% of SS's posts but he speaks from the heart and he's passionate -- engage him, he rarely (ever?) goes on a personal attack on any member and he suffers some very personal attacks.

Like I say. I think his views are very misguided but if he's debating intelligently (non abusive) then challenge and engage him. Screaming 'ban' is just ridiculous.

All this hate all religion stuff is a bunch of stuffy reactive bollocks. Folks are just folks the world over and a great many of the worlds population need and want religion so more power to em i say.

You know what SS, I'm as apauled and disgusted as you with radical Muslim attacks but I'm lucky to have met, worked and have friends as Muslims mate. And most of those muslims are strict Muslims -- Friday prayers the lot my man. There's a girl I know who's invited me to her arranged marriage in August this year (me and the Mrs!) and I can't wait to go and see the event, it'll be like nothing I've seen before; I'm honoured she invited me

In summary, the people you're constantly referring to a a significant minor minority and thankfully I know Muslims who as outraged by these hate crimes as much as you.