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I don't know any of you guys, but we are always joking about the release date, could it be the 21st? couldn't it? but do we realize what if it's actually true??? that means we are less than 2 weeks away from having CD finally in our hands!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's such a surreal feeling.. I think we all try to joke and call it rumors cuz it's actually scary to accept that CD might be finally seeing the light of day

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Have a very happy birthday Robin

this is our gift from The Robin Forum: http://www.robinfinckfans.com/happybday/

hahahhaa I LOVE IT!!!!

so awesome, you guys are funny! the questions are hilarious!!! Bach like always, his answers are priceless.. the question #4 hahaha! i think he took the tail thing off Blind Love (was it called that? the movie with Jack Black and Gwyneth Paltrow playing a fat chick)

wicked stuff! I'm definitely bookmarking elsewhere! :xmasssanta:

what a stupid thread

Sebastian Bach is cool, I like him he's funny!

and he can't keep secrets.. so he might spill more info about CD as he has done so far with Sorry hehee

Del James seems to live in the past.. he says it's not rock n' roll to complain about the shows starting late.. well most fans now are grown up, have lifes and kids, didn't he think of that?

I mean, The Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin in their heyday??? hello, that was zillions of years ago! what a fuckin' lame example

times have changed!!! people have a right to complain

I know I'd definitely choose to stay at the concert and say fuck you to all the other things next day if it was me, but you can't expect everyone to agree with that, and it's not less rock n' roll just because you have a family and can't afford to miss work to see GN'R..

I mean, WTF IS ROCK N' ROLL anyway??? they keep using this lame excuse to justify their poor arguments.. but it's flawed, who says what's rock n' roll and what's not? I could say lots of Axl's antics are not rock n' roll these days for that matter

I personally didn't take offense, cuz you can't really take offense in such a close minded article like this, it just shows how one sided his version of things is, he is missing the whole picture here if he really thinks the REAL fans are those who are at the concerts.. just because they don't whine like people online.. well they don't whine because they don't give a shit about the band.. ever thought of that?

you guys noticed? Tommy in this pic is laying over the setlist:

and this is pointless to remark but funny: someone added with a marker "ZE" to SWAY, to form SWAYZE haha (that's an actor's name right?) haha wish I could understand the handwriting next to some songs and below in the left corner

About the internet bitching, I think he has a point but he was way rude in the way he put it.. maybe that's why the article is now gone on the website..

I mean, there's obsessed people here that whine and bitch, hell yes, but he can't diss the entire online fandom just like that, the real fans are the ones that go to the shows? I mean sure, we know better than that.. those are casual fans that in most cases don't even know the names of the bandmembers and think Slash is still in the band.. so yeah, those guys won't complain and overanalyze everything but because they don't give a damn about the band as it is currently.. they just go to listen to the classics like SCOM and NR.. the real hard core fans believe it or not, are all online.. the good, the bad and the ugly all represented, but everyone here cares about this band more than the majority out there saddly enough..

anyway, cool tidbits about backstage life and details about the album, etc

what shocked me the most is that they wanted Buckethead back.. some people here said it could have been that way and now we know for sure it's true.. what makes me go

wow i idn't know there was a denim jacket, and caps, and all those accesories.. i thought the merch was only t shirts lol

hahahaha! I find it hilarious! and why did he choose Puerto Rico to spill his rant?

it's funny that he acknowledge the boards complaints

but what she says is that Lisbon is in Portugal not Spain

carinho (cariño in spanish) is something like darling

"'Brian can you come and do stuff which I will like and I won't feel too bad about ditching this other stuff?'"

Okay, you want to show me where EXACTLY in Brian's quote he says Axl "LOVES" the stuff Robin did?

he doesn't say it per se, but anyone with a bit of common sense can deduce from it that he liked the stuff, hence the "won't feel too bad about ditching it" part.. if he didn't like it he wouldn't feel bad about ditching the stuff at all.. that's the part where you can tell Axl liked Robin's stuff.

Axl: "...it turned out to be a good thing. We've been able to push some of the guitar parts a step further, that had he (Robin) been here, it's not something that would have been considered..."

I take it he was upset with Robin's departure and he went and said those things but weren't exactly true.. you know, kinda like a pride thing, he woun't admit Robin was a vital part of the project even if he was.. and the part about pushing it a step further.. well yes, that's true, but who are we talking about here? Buckethead!!!! I mean, HE would step up any guitar work from any guitarist out there! so it's unfair to compare him to Robin like that.. if it was Richard instead of Robin for example, it would have been the same situation.. Buckethead is in another league altogether.. but that doesn't mean the guitar work as Robin left it wasn't good enough for Axl.. and he kept it anyway after all so there's no point in discussing this any further

Robin has a whole 100 fans on a message board! I'm happy for him. Really.

you're being so obnoxious about this.. why are you so bitter??? go to a fuckin 10000 members Slash forum but stop being so negative about Robin's fandom.. hell, I'M a Slash fan myself! I contributed to his bday gift back in July even! AND I love Robin.. why can't that be possible?? not everyone here is a Slash enemy ya know?? cuz you're being so defensive about it that it looks like you think every Robin fan here hates Slash, that's not true!

and btw, 100 members is still more than any other bandmember except for Axl! last time I checked Richard or Tommy didn't have message boards that I know of.. atl east we Robin fans are being vocal about it.. we are spreading the love, where are all the other members fans??? Robin has dedicated fans like no other new member.. that's a fact, so I don't really care if you like us or not.. I don't fell like I have to prove myself about anything here.. I know I'm a huge Robin fan and that's all that matters..

if you dislike Robin so much, and this is for every hater out there too, why don't you just go and spend your energy and time cheering for the new member that you like the most? we Robin fans are already doing it, instead of wasting our time talking about how much we don't like other members..

That's a good quote from May, and just proves my ORIGINAL point that Axl thought it was a GOOD thing Finck originally left. Thanks for posting.

Brian confirms that Axl wanted to ditch the stuff Robin had worked on and calls him in to work on material that Axl would actually like. Too bad Brian couldn't stick around longer, like another 6 years or so...

hahahahha ok, how did you come up with THAT conclusion after reading Brian May's quote is beyond me...

let's see, you highlighted this part of the quote: "'Brian can you come and do stuff which I will like and I won't feel too bad about ditching this other stuff?'"

where in the hell do you read from that that Axl didn't like Robin's stuff??? Axl's just only asking May to help him make some new stuff that he will like as much or more than the stuff he made with Robin cuz he had departed and Axl didn't want to use his stuff now that he was gone but he actually loved that stuff!!!! you know, the part where he says he doesn't want to 'feel too bad about ditching it'??? cuz he liked Robin's work!!!!!

so, really, I don't see how that quote confirms anything of what you just said.. Longpig made a good point too.. but you prefer to keep on thinking whatever you want and not open your eyes and read, if you would actually read and interpret the quotes right you would see what we are saying..

I'm going to assume that was a rhetorical question, because if you don't know why Finck was hired, then I really can't help you.

And you are making the arrogant assumption that Axl doesn't want a REAL lead guitarist for his band, just because it's set up that way.

No, Robin doesn't need a bunch of fans to tell him what he should be doing and how, but then again, it certainly explains why he doesn't have a bunch of fans in the first place.

and do YOU know why Robin was hired??? no one knows for that matter.. to say he was hired as a guitarist would be really closed minded.. cuz he actually seems to have done a lot more with Axl.. you know writing???

i'm not assuming anything, I'm just repeating what Richard said once in an email.. that if it was for him he would prefer 2 guitarists but Axl was the one that wanted 3 guitarists in the band and Axl was the one that pretty much wanted that line up configuration.. I've read that from Richard's mail, i'm not assuming

and your last comment, Robin doesn't have fans??? mmm there's a forum dedicated only to him and there's over 100 members over there.. and out of the new members I would say he's the only one that has that many loyal fans outside of the band and not fans that like him but first and foremost are GN'R fans.. you know, for example, Richard is awesome, I really like him.. but everyone that prefers him over Robin doesn't consider themselves a 'Richard fan', they are more like 'new lineup fans that prefer Richard' but Robin fans are Robin fans.. beyond their love for New GN'R

Robin solo owns according to witnesses..

so, I don't get it.. why can't Chinese Democracy have the same impact as American Idiot?? I don't know, call me naive, but I thought a build up of over 10 years of expectations and myth over this album would be enough to make it huge..

what was so special about American Idiot to sell that many copies anyway?? I would say mainly the teen population that converted it in a fashion statement, whoever wanted to be 'cool' had to own American Idiot, it was a fuckin trend for a while...

now, I know Axl doesn't have that kind of power anymore, but if by chance it hits it that big among teens then CD has as many possibilities as American Idiot to sell so many albums, we know the music won't dissapoint and GN'R and Axl's names are big enough to put themselves in that global position. The awards part could be a little tough but if the critic is willing to ease up on them they could have a chance in that aspect too.. just like U2 and Green day the last years

I don't know, one can dream

that's the studio version, supposedly, but it the same as the demo, only better mixed so you can actually hear the outro a lot clearer than in the demo (but the guitar are the same)

So you think Axl called Brian May in to try and fill Robin's shoes?

I bet Brian did the whole "I'm not worthy" bow.

Ahahaha.....GOOD ONE!

geez, you keep twisting my words.. I didn't say Brian May was called to fill Robin shoes at all.. just making a point that Axl was somewhat lost when Robin apparently abandoned the project.. so he had to bring someone new (Brian May, but could've been anyone!) to start from scratch and don't feel like he had lost everything he built up with Robin..

here, take a look to what Brian May said himself:

BM: ....Axl was feeling that he was in a difficult place because the guitarist he'd been working with on this new album (is that Robin??) .... that'd done most of the tracks had departed and Axl had a real emotional attachment to what he'd done, and yet he didn't want him on the album .... because he'd disappeared, you know. So, he's sort of feeling a kind of divided loyalty and he said, 'Brian can you come and do stuff which I will like and I won't feel too bad about ditching this other stuff?'. So I did. I went over there and I think I played on three tracks and messed around on various other things. But it worked out pretty well, as far as I can tell.

so yeah, Axl was put in a difficult situation with Robin's departure.. which is all I wanted to prove, not if he is better or worse than May or whoever you want to bring to the conversation to shift the subject

Who said it was a competition?

When an employee is hired to do a job, he's expected to perform to the best of his abilities.

That's awesome that Richard and Robin are friends. I have friends at work too. But I don't expect them to have to pick up my slack and do my job for me.

you keep missing the point, who is to say what he was hired for??? I'm sure whatever he was hired to do he has done it already and with excellent results, and the live configuration with 3 guitarists that share lead solos is what Axl wanted and no matter who the guitarists are, if they are capable or not, they would still share the lead cuz Axl seemingly doesn't want a lead guitarist position by default, not because Robin isn't up to par with what the job demands..

so to make it short, nor Ron nor Richard are doing his job, and you're forcing a stretch there to make that arrogant assumption.

Robin can do his job just fine, and he doesn't need a bunch of fans to tell him what he should be doing or how..

I do give him credit for one thing though. Most "lead" guitarists are just that, lead. Not sure how many would feel having 2 others in the band do their job for them and not take it as a slap in the face. He's taking it like a man.

this isn't a competition.. they work as a team, so no one needs to be bitter about it.. Robin enjoys playing with Ron and Richard especially, he is good friends with Richard, they are like brothers, I doubt he takes it anywhere close as a slap in the face..

Good for him that he's stayed in the band all these years (except of course when he left and Axl thought that was a GOOD thing), still doesn't make him a good guitarist.

well, then why was Axl so desperate when Robin went back with NIN and had to call Brian May to help him make some new songs? I believe there's an interview with Brian that says this.. I don't think Axl meant to say it was a good thing when Robin left, he lost an important creative force so he had to call Brian to keep on working

Robin has a lot of input in this album I have no doubts

i cant think of anyone here who would moan if bumble took the lead spot

yeah, but a lot of us would also feel less excited about the line up.. Bumble is great, everyone likes him but it gets pretty boring, he doesn't trigger intense emotions like Robin does, either be love or hatred, but he is magnetic and doesn't go unnoticed, and lots of us love him and believe it or not he makes a lotsa difference in the empathy and attraction of this new line up

you need someone like him to descentralize the attention from Axl, another polarizing, charismatic personality

Finck made mistakes in 02 after years of working with the band, bumble arrived within a week and has made no mistakes so far! Ron Thal > Robin Finck. Fact, not opinion.

it's opinion, because I happen to disagree

I think Bumble is really talented to accomplish all that in one week notice, yes, but he improvises too much in the new songs and some other long solos.. guess to each their own

I don't like him because he more or less changed his entire image to fit in with the term 'Rock Band' (that was not cool)

yeah because he was born sporting NIN's image.. he never had another image style..

well, you have to do you homework and search for Robin pics when he was younger, before NIN.. he used to have the SAME image and hairstyle he has now.. so I don't think he changed his entire image "to fit the term 'Rock Band'" he just went back to his style before NIN

and who are you to say that's not cool without even knowing why he changed his image in the first place, you are prejudicing him and I just proved you wrong, I bet the 'Rock Band image' was the last thing in his mind when he changed his style

Thank you very much man. I was just searching for it and I saw that message. It definitely sounds like a studio version to me. I can hear different guitar parts added in around 35 seconds and his vocals sound "better" than before.

mm no.. the guitar parts are just the same as in the demo.. nothing has changed... it's better mixed and you can hear it better, that's all

if you pay closely attention to the demo, you'll see the guitar is there, and it's the same, but it's more hidden in between Axl's voice and all the other stuff so you can't make the whole outro quite as clear as in the ad version without making an extra effort

wel, i was trying to make a negative point lol, like i don't like that teenybopper attitude either.. but for those girls Axl's looks were the only thing that mattered so, there was no difference between their music and NKOTB's

for them

No way were the Mets going to lose to the cards, but they did.

Again, tell us HOW they're so different if you think so. Put sunglesses on the 'Myspace girl' and I think they'd fit the same profile. How'd she get the pics, anyway? Same complexion, same haircolor. They're both women. I say we tied her to the stake now and get it over with.

Refer to one of my other posts in another thread about you signing your name all the time.

Two reasons. 1; The nose is different.

2; My myspace girl and the mystery woman have that "Permanent smile" on the corner of their lips. That never goes away even when making a straight or "blah" face. The girl on the right doesn't have the curled lips on the sides.

3; they are different races, the second chick looks asian

My opinion. Hopefully no one takes it too personally. I just never thought I'd see fans look at Axl the way people look at freaking Justin Timberlake. I'd rather not see Axl become the subject of dating gossip like some actor or pop star. He is playing the part though, isn't he? I for one think it's unfortunate but I guess it's something I'll have to get used to.

mm.. then i guess you missed the whole 'axl's sweet child' era back in the day uh? every girl at the time wanted to be Axl's sweet child and were crazy about him, crying over him and following him everywhere, ithe minute he would step into a new country's airport teenage girls would be there to receive him and the band like they were freaking New Kids On The Block.. the dating gossip and teenyboppers were always there since the old days.. i think it was worse then too.. now Axl is older and teenyboppers aren't interested anymore

i'm surprised you didn't get used to it by now, Axl was always that kind of guy, a rockstar with the popularity level of a popstar or actor among the teenage girls

Hey, dumbass... can you argue any of these points:

They could be two different people, but everything about them is the same...

same hair...

height...

lips...

complexion.

mm are you for real?

are you really saying that the girl whos profile we are discussing is the same as the girl of starbucks?

they are very different! the myspace girl for starters, is shorter and looks like she has some asian heritage, the mistery girl has totally different features

Put sunglasses on her. Tell me what's different.

everything except the tan!

sorry but you need to look more closely, they are way different

Hey, dumbass... can you argue any of these points:

They could be two different people, but everything about them is the same...

same hair...

height...

lips...

complexion.

mm are you for real?

are you really saying that the girl whos profile we are discussing is the same as the girl of starbucks?

they are very different! the myspace girl for starters, is shorter and looks like she has some asian heritage, the mistery girl has totally different features

wow, some people here seriously need to buy glasses..

this girl we are talkin about here looks like she has some kind of asian heritage.. no way she is the same girl that was with Axl at starbucks...

btw, that jet is Axl's private jet, and she seems to be Vegas' girlfriend (that tall guy in the beach photo that is hugging her)

either way, I believe all this entourage are in relationships or are friends with Beta's children, that would make sense, so that's why they are with Axl, no need to criticize his company, cuz they probably are there because of Fernando, Vanessa or someone else, and not Axl directly