Bono

Other than Enzo wining the cw title no real surprises at No Mercy.  I called all the matches except that one. The one that pissed me off though was the Rollins/Ambrose vs "Cesaro/Shameus. That was absolute fucking horseshit that Ambrose kicked out of that. He gets DDT'd and then Rollins gets power bombed off the top rope onto him and then he kicks out? Fuck off. 

They played this gig for free for the kids when they had a poll to see if they could have any band play their graduation who would they pick. They voted Soul Asylum. The band heard of this and offered to play the graduation a few months after a major flood in Grand Forks . The quality for a live album is amazing and a handful of really cool covers are in the set.

 

Nope. 

But maybe I'll be wrong()

2 hours ago, axlslash said:

WhatCulture is officially dead Adams Pacitti and Blampied, King Ross, Jack the Jobber, and Sam Driver are all leaving. Hard to see how the YouTube page stays as popular. And it's the entire creative team behind WCPW. After a meteoric rise over the past year or two, it's insane to see this happen and I'll be curious to see where it goes.  

Holy fuck. I can't stand King Ross but I like the others especially Blampied. Him and Simon are my favourites. 

THe headbutt Kevin Owens gave Vince looked real. It grosses me out to watch it. 

On 9/12/2017 at 9:47 PM, mikeman5150 said:

Ha, forget what I said, you clearly live in a bubble, and FEEL you must be right all the time. Sorry pal, no one speaks for this guy, but me. I don't have the time nor crayons to explain it to you any better. Have a nice day

You don't have time because you know I'm right and saying the mystique of GnR is why you became a fan is total fucking bullshit. Just like if I said the mystique of scientology is why I'm a fan of Tom Cruise. Fact is you're a fan of GnR for the music and that's all there is to it. Nobody became a fan for the mystique of drama. It's simply an element that has kept us taking. 

39 minutes ago, mikeman5150 said:

Axl wanted to be the best at everything. He didn't want to do anything that would have potential to suck. From 87-93, everything they did turned to gold. That's a tremendous amount of pressure. I see what you're saying, I don't totally disagree, but I'm just saying, Axl has probably always and still looks at it like, he just won back to back super bowls. Should he play another season, risk injury, and tarnishing his previous legend, or just retire. With Axl being bi-polar, it's like, he's all about it, overthinks it, then just says fuck it. I like cd, but it's not up there with their other stuff, at least not for me. As far as slash, I'm not a huge fan of the solo stuff. World on fire, I kinda dug, along with velvet revolver stuff. 

Not directed at you bono, but as far as those who say, you shouldn't like a band because of the mystic blah blah blah, or why choose mystic over music blah blah blah, I say fuck off! I never said I preferred it, I said it's what drew me to them. When I started listening, guns was not really active. I could just as easily gotten into a ton of other bands that were not doing anything, I was intrigued by the mystic, I stayed for the music. Some of you guys need to chill the fuck out. Not everyone lives in the same bubble as you, people do like different things. 

You can't be good at anything if you do nothing. Playing another season or getting injured can NEVER take away the previous Super Bowls guys have won. 

You can say fuck off all you want but the truth, whether you admit it or not is the appeal is in the music. Without music there is no mystique. The ONLY reason anyone is hanging around is because of the old music and in the hopes of new music someday. These message boards would be absolutely fucking dead if Axl had  disappeared and we'd never heard of him ever again and the rumors and teases for new music never existed. FACT is it's about the music and possibility of new music because without that there is no appeal  or mystique. 

Sorry but it's the truth. You started listening and the drama kept you talking about them. You didn't  get into GnR for the mystique and then stay for the music. Nobody buys that at all. 

Just now, papashaun said:

Thank God we have Youtube and Amazon to get samples of songs now...and you can purchase songs on an individual basis, if you want digitally.....or.....if this was still the 80s/90s.....I'd be writing the bands to refund me $50-$60 I dished out to buy their last 5 crappy records. 

I used to buy my CD's from HMV and I'd return albums all the time that i thought sucked. Not sure how many places actually allowed that but it was pretty cool

26 minutes ago, papashaun said:

I myself would have like regular releases as well....but....I also go back to another band I like....Metallica.....who has several releases since their biggest selling album "The Black Album," and I can say that with the exception of Garage Days....I have been greatly disappointed each time. You have the "hope" of a great new release, that's only shattered each time when you listen to the full album. 

yeah and does that matter though? With no releases there's no hope and no opportunity to enjoy anything. It's like asking a  girl out. Sure she may shoot you down, but she might not. If ya never ask her though she can never say yes. 10 bad albums is better than no albums because at least they're trying and at least there's a chance for you to enjoy something and chances are nobody is ever gonna hate a full album completely so there will always be at least 1  song you enjoy. Plus no matter how many bad albums they release they don't affect the quality of the albums that we already have. 

3 hours ago, wasteofammo said:

Axl/DC is better than GNR live. 

Nuguns is close second. 

Nah I didn't think so. Axl sounds better in AC/DC but GnR right now is the better live show.  AXL/DC in 2016 was better than AC/DC though in 2016. Axl made the difference there.  I lucked out in 2016 and got to see AC/DC, GnR and AXL/DC

Having regular releases is way better. Even if they were mediocre there is always the anticipation or hopefulness of a new release. Sure the mystique created appeal and contributed largely to many of spending countless hours chatting on a  message board but at the end of the day I'll take 7 album over chatting on a  message board about an endless number of "What If topics". No offence but those saying the appeal was the mystique aren't being honest with themselves. The appeal was, is and would've been the music. The mystique simply kept us talking. 

 "At No Mercy consider me like a drug test homes. You ain't getting passed me!" 
 

17 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

On March 26 and on April 11, 1986, Guns N' Roses played its two very first shows. That's a fact. Ole Beich played bass on these two shows. That's another fact (well, some claim he was gone already after the first show).

Ole Beich was hence in the first lineup of Guns N' Roses. It wasn't just an imaginery band, nor even only a garage band, it was a band that rehearsed, wrote music (well, at least it is reasonable to assume they did) and played music at an established venue like The Troubadour. It was a proper band. The very first (=original) lineup with Ole was extremely short-lived, yes, but it still existed. It had probably no affect on the greatness that was to come, but it still existed. This subject is entirely academic because that lineup was so insignificant and just a footnote in the history of the band, but it still existed. It was there. It actually happened.

Denying something because it is easier, or because one wishes it wasn't so, or because one has some ulterior motive, is wrong regardless of the outcome of it. Whether it is Trump who claims climate change is invented by the Chinese or GN'R fans who deny the first, short-lived GN'R lineup. Any such attempt at revising history should be opposed because we cannot allow that method to be acceptable.

 

Carry on. You're proving my point. Only total geeks carry the torch of the AFD5 not being original GnR. Nobody gives a fuck about anything prior and there isn't a single  person in the entire GnR fan kingdom that can claim anything before the AFD5 had any impact on them becoming a fan.  When people are talking original GnR they don't give two shits about what came before AFD5. The only people who do are pretentious nerds who feel by saying otherwise they're proving they are a bigger, better and more informed fan when all they are doing is showing what sad individual they are. When people say they wanna see the original GnR unite we all know who they are talking about and anyone who feels the need to correct that by referring to them as "classic GnR" rather than "original GnR" is pretty much a loser. They're the annoying know it alls who always feel this desperate and pathetic desire to announce to everyone how smart they are. These people are the people nobody wants to be friends with. 

Original GnR is Steven, Axl, Slash, Duff and Izzy end of story. Anyone arguing other wise is doing so as some psuedo intellect fan trying to look smarter than everyone else and just playing semantics. It's pure nonsense to even suggest there is an original GnR outside of the AFD5. It's like saying the original U2 had Dick Evans in the band. Sure when they practiced in the kitchen in the begining he was there but he's not original U2 and fans who suggest it so are full of shit. 

I agree YTBTAM does sound better live and I do really enjoy the verses. They're catchy enough but they tease to something more in the chorus and I feel the chorus is just really really lame. It's brings the song down rather than elevate it. Plus The Edge needs to shit or get off the pot. That small transition in the song(studio version) that starts at 2:46(2:57 on Fallon) is decent but at the 3:00(3:10 on Fallon) mark he goes into a quick frantic powerchord that should lead into an awesome solo but he bails out and goes with the same old tired chiming guitar.  I mean for fuck sakes in the live performance Bono even yells "EDGE!!" as if to suggest The Edge is gonna go off on a  solo but instead he starts singing a falsetto. I mean really? That's the most ridiculous thing ever. Don't name drop your guitar player mid performance only for him to sing falsetto and NOT do a guitar  solo   I feel like the song is incomplete and they rushed it or something just to get it out. 

I got the Fight network so finally I can watch NJPW. It also has RoH on all the time even though I got that on regular channels. 

59 minutes ago, ironmt said:

Dude, you continuously seem to have Issues and take little jabs at the "GnR board" and the people on this board. This board Is dedicated to Guns N Roses, so fuck U2.  They are a phenomenal band and I am sure there are forums dedicated to them.  Does It really matter that U2  is averaging a higher attendance per show and a higher gross per show than GnR? Not really, U2, Metallica and GNR are all doing quite fine. Again, you are on a forum dedicated to  Guns N Roses, which many feel Is the best band on the planet, as you feel about U2.  So there really Isn't anymore need for your Insults.

"Only on a GnR board would you hear such junk"

"It's crazy how much of a bubble some of you live in and how out of touch so many of you truly are"

"The level of flat out ignorance on this board is truly shocking at times"

Go make a home at a U2 board and save yourself the above frustrations. 

 

 

Dude it's because ONLY on a  GnR board are fans this far off in La La Land.  And read the conversation before you start asking if this and that matter. Of course it fucking matters in the realm of what's being discussed. When someone comments that GnR is "crushing" U2 with their touring numbers of course U2's numbers matter in that discussion but as usual I know you're not smart enough to keep up. Anyone who says U2 or Metallica's careers have not been better than GnR's post 1991 or who think Metallica and U2 fans don't have more to be excited about over the last 25 years and anyone who says they are not more relevant in the current landscape of music and anyone who says U2 and Metallica have done nothing to garner new fans in the last 25 years and that their music post 1991 hasn't appealed to anyone enough to bring in new fans is in fact living in a bubble. They're in denial, they're delusional and only on a  GnR board do you get this shit because GnR fans for whatever reason feel this pathetic and desperate need to tear down other bands in their weak attempt to prop up GnR.  It's gone on for far too long with GnR fans completely lacking the ability to call things as they are and not only that but completely fabricating bullshit theories to suite their irrational arguments. And be very clear I don't care one bit if a person likes or doesn't like U2. But when they start saying nonsense that they've done nothing since the turn of the century to contribute to their stature as it is now that's when I'll call people out on the bullshit. 

Also it's not about thinking GnR is the best band in the world. That's a given on a board dedicated to them. I expect people to think that. They were and maybe could be again. It's about perpetuating this bullshit idea that if given the chance to trade spots with career routes GnR fans would not have taken U2 or Metallica's route but instead kept the GnR course of action. Anyone who says they've prefered the one album in 20+ years to what U2 and Metallica have done is a liar straight up. There's no ifs ands or buts about it.  And hell it's not even just U2 and Metallica. Pearl Jam has done better, Foo Fighters have done better almost every big band from the late 80s and early 90s have done better by their fans yet on a GnR board you get people bullshitting themselves and others that they prefer Axl's way of "quality" over quantity. It's nuts that people even try to convince themselves of this bullshit let alone trying to convince others they believe it. 

As for making a home ona  u2 board I already post on one but their fans aren't crazy enough to think U2 is gonna rule the charts in 2017. Conversely on a GnR board you get the delusions  of grandeur that if only GnR release one kick ass single and play the Super Bowl they will be the most relevant band in the entire industry once again topping the charts like no other. That's the difference between GnR fans and fans of other bands. Unjustified delusions of grandeur. 

Anyways that'll be my last post on the topic. It's impossible to discuss such things with people stuck in such tight little bubbles. 

The funny thing is I haven't even mentioned how I became a U2 fan. Basically became a big fan after hearing Beautiful Day. So there ya have it.  I'm 39 now and at the time I was 22. I really only started paying attention to the band in 2000. I'm probably the only one though. Nobody else started liking them after 1991 

SoulMonstor sometimes you need to be forceful when people spew absolute bullshit. 

5 hours ago, Draguns said:

Flawed logic is what's been going on here by saying that Metallica and U2 are "relevant", but GNR isn't. It's just mind boggling to me. 

These are facts that Metallica struggled selling tickets at their ONLY NYC appearance in 14 years. In addition, there were issues with U2's performances. 

GNR will always be my all-time favorite. However, I do like all three. To say that two bands are more "relevant" than one band while all three are touring is just inconceivable.  

Only on a GnR board would you hear such junk. Yes GnR are the relevant ones meanwhile U2 just performed on Fallon playing a new song and discussing their up coming new album and Metallica is on tour supporting their new album. It's crazy how much of a bubble some of you live in and how out of touch so many of you truly are. Do tell the issues U2 is having? You knwo the band that is averaging a higher attendance per show and a higher gross per show than GnR. yeah seems they're having some serious issues selling tickets.  Oh and while we're at it Metallica played back to back nights in NY this year. One at Metlife Stadium and the other indoors at Nassau Colliseum. they are NOT having problems selling tickets 

The level of flat out ignorance on this board is truly shocking at times. 

 It's clear how incredibly out of touch you are in your thinking that they haven't done anything to gain new fans since 1991 or even 1997. You act as if young people who heard Beautiful Day or Vertigo or the people who heard them for the first time ever when the Songs of Innocence album suddenly showed up on their phones has had no impact. It's nonsense and you're wrong. Period. The free album resulted in 80 million downloads. That's 80 million people who chose to download. It was distributed to over 500 million people. It was a smart and innovative thing to do. Were there some hiccups? Sure. Were some people irrationally angry? Of course. Those people though are the vocal minority by far. Most people aren't so miserable to lose their shit over being given a free album. Also don't sit there and act like you'd criticise such a move had GnR done it because you wouldn't. You'd claim it was brilliant. Related story;  just last night I was chatting with a girl who is 27 who had never really listened to U2 in her life until that free album showed up on her phone. She told me one of her favourite songs is Raised by Wolves. How do ya figure that happened? It happened by releasing a new album and trying a  new and different way to release music. 

As for Bono's apology it was hardly sincere. More lip service than anything and since he did that MANY people have said he should never have apologized. He shouldn't have. Only bitter miserable fucks got mad about that. Countless times U2 have said and rightfully so that they were looking for new ways to distribute music. They wanted as many people as possible to hear the album so they tried something new. If you honestly think the album would've been ignored by their fans then I don't know what to say to ya. They knew the fans would eat it up but they wanted to do something about those who don't know of them or never really listened before. If you don't think they gained new fans because of that, then again I have no idea what to say to you. The reaction to the new songs shows people were at their shows on that tour for news songs along with the classics. 

Carry on though man. Praise the nothingness that is GnR all you want and carry on criticising bands, not only U2 who have gone on to have successful and prodcutive careers post 1991 and who continue to produce albums and do cool things for their fans. Only in GnR La La Land. 

I agree with the interaction part. This tour seems more business like because it is. I'm sure they enjoy performing these songs but there's no doubt they are out on tour right now to fulfill a contract with Live Nation. they needed to meet a specific amount of dates so what better way than to celebrate the 30th anniversary of Joshua Tree. As for starting on the b stage I kinda like it. Its low key as it should be as the focus is the Joshua Tree album so all those songs that get played before have more subtle presentation. It really allows them to separate the show into sections. Opening of the show is all pre Joshua Tree stuff, then the screen comes on and it's all about Joshua Tree. Then of course the encore is all post Joshua Tree stuff. I kinda like the low key start to the show. Reminds me a bit of the Elevation tour when they came out with the house lights on. 

Ona  side note they just killed it on Jimmy Fallon with an awesome performance of Bullet the Blue Sky. I guess they're gonna play the new single later in the show.  

5 hours ago, downzy said:

I've always thought of U2 as the more popular band, even back in the early 90s.  

Some of the difference, I think, relates to the kind of music they play.  GNR plays much harder rock and hence their playing to a smaller market.  

It also helps that U2 has a larger discography from its prime years.  But again, I don't see much of what U2 has put out in the last 20 years as the reason for explaining any kind of achievement gap relative to ticket sales or gross revenues.  

What's U2's prime years? The only stuff they really play pre Joshua Tree ever is 

I Will Follow
Sunday Bloody Sunday
New Years Day
Pride

That's kinda it. Sure they toss in Electric Co, Out of Control and Bad here and there but do you actually believe those songs are a mass contributers to their "prime years" and are the reason people are heading to the shows?  It would be funny if you think that but don't think Beautiful Day, Elevation or Vertigo contribute in anyway. How do you wanna twist it to make U2's prime years so much more vast than GnR's? I mean most people would say U2's prime years were 1985-1991 with 4 albums. GnR's would be 1987-1991 with 4 albums. But if you wanna include U2's first three albums go ahead. 

Since 2000
- ATYCLB has sold over 12 million copies. The first 4 songs on the album were all hit singles to varying degrees. 
- HTDAAB has sold over 9 million copies. Vertigo was a massive hit single for them.
- NLOTH admittedly didn't produce a hit and the album itself only sold just over 5 million copies so far but the subsequent tour was the biggest of all time. I remember people saying after seeing them perform Breathe(A NEW SONG) on David Letterman that "U2 was cool again". 
- Songs of Innocence was given to over 500 million people for free and it resulted in over 80 million actual downloads and had fans singing along to the new songs en mass during the i&e tour. 

Since 2000 they've won grammys, sold millions of albums, had hit singles, toured new material consistently, been a constant presence in media and pop culture in regards to working with apple, they promote their new material via live performances on talk shows, morning and late night, they've played the super bowl, their music is used regularly by the NFL  etc etc etc. 

I hate to break the obvious to you Downzy but EVERYTHING U2 has done post 1991 has contributed to their ability to sell out stadiums world wide. They are consistently the biggest touring draw in the world.  Saying they've done nothing since 1991 or even 1997  to contribute to their touring success isn't even a valid opinion. It's just pure nonsense boarding on rolling. 




 

4 hours ago, downzy said:

Are you really going to suggest that comparing a band with one original/classic member to bands like U2 or Metallica is a fair comparison?

If your assessment is true, then how is GNR crushing both U2 and Metallica this year?  Are you really going to argue that there's that much demand for a band that, according to you, produced just one great album?

You might wanna wait till the end of the year before you toot your GnR horn too loudly. U2 is grossing more per show and have a higher attendance per show than GnR. The only way GnR tops them this year is because they added arena dates at the end of the year to make the difference. Otherwise U2 would have out grossed them with less shows played when all was said and done. 

4 hours ago, downzy said:

The question is simple: are people showing up to hear bands new material or to hear the hits from previous albums?  While I don't doubt that some are wanting to hear Moth to the Flame or Hardwired, I'm having a hard time believing that Metallica would be selling out arenas on the basis of anything they've done since '96.  In forty to fifty years from now, will anyone still be playing Hardwired or anything from Death Magnetic?  Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see it happening.  

 

 

Ultimately, if new material really moved the needle and GNR are just bit players to U2 and Metallica, then you'll have to explain why GNR has outgrossed both bands.  As of July, GNR has grossed $151 million in concert tickets versus $118 for U2 and $88 million for Metallica.  Shouldn't a band with Axl, Duff, and Slash - that has produced zero new albums in 26 years - be making far less money than bands that have produced work consistently over the same period?  If GNR is just a one album band as you say, how do you explain the insane amount of money their making on the road? 

Again it's unbelievable that you don't think fans of U2 or Metallica are going to hear new music. That's the very essence and purpose of their tours for fuck sakes. 

Also are you seriously asking why GnR is raking in the dow on this tour? Are you so oblivious to the fact this is the reunion of Slash and Axl after  20 years apart and is something most people thought was never going to happen. You do realize that the reason they are selling out stadiums right now is because all the people who didn't give a flying fuck about a Slashless GnR are now showing up to catch the band one more time or for the first time ever. You do understand these circumstances right? Orare you that insane that you actually believe had Slash stayed with GnR and they released fuck all over the last 20 years but just kept touring the same setlist that they'd be doing the numbers they are now? It's fucking obvious why GnR is making the kinda money they are right now. It's called the reunion factor. Say it with me!  RE-UN-ION FAC-TOR! aka Slash. It's not rocket science man. If U2 broke up after 1993 and Metallica stopped after Load and then these bands reunited for the first time in 20+ years don't ya think they'd be doing what GnR is right now as well? Seriously man give your head a shake.