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i urge you, i STRONGLY urge you to look out for Russell Brand in that :)!!!! and if you like him, get his stand up, he is a genius

He's the rockstar, right? Yeah, I'm convinced. I'll see if I can find some stand-up stuff on Piratebay.

i think he's an absolute genius and its weird how people from England to my expierience dont really trumpet him much. having said that my only expierience with anyone english is on here by and large so what do i know youtube his stuff, he just makes me crease

I'm seeing Forgetting Sarah Marshall now. Mila Kunis :wub:

i urge you, i STRONGLY urge you to look out for Russell Brand in that :)!!!! and if you like him, get his stand up, he is a genius

Awesome movie, watched it for like the 5th time the other night.

I love him in that... thanks for the heads up on the stand up, I'll look into it.

if you watch his latest stand up a fair portion of it is about the making of that movie, he's just fucking hilairious

taster..

I'm seeing Forgetting Sarah Marshall now. Mila Kunis :wub:

i urge you, i STRONGLY urge you to look out for Russell Brand in that :)!!!! and if you like him, get his stand up, he is a genius

not having a job and having no money is sort of underated - i mean i had the best time for as long as it lasted. i pay taxes that's what it's for i think, to let me have a month off to find myself here and there. sick pay - how sick do i have to be? how do you afford innernet access. don't tell me your using the dole office computer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFBKV0zVXSE

no i dont claim welfare, i never have in my life, i can't stomach it, i feel AWFUL if i do. meaning i did try once being that i was unemployed and entitled and filled out the forms and handed em in in that whole receptioney waiting area and i just felt fucking dreadful for some reason. not saying im like, above it or something cuz i'm not, im broke as fuck but i just...i've just never felt so uneasy in all my life. ever notice how nice everybodys sneakers are in there? not to get all cut up on you but thats what i remember really vividly, everybodys sneakers being like top shelf shit i went back the second time, the time where you actually get the welfare check or whatever it is they give you and i was in the queue and i just upped and left, just couldn't do it. Now i think about it my names probably still on their register huh? getting however many bucks a month for the last two years, i should go back and check, the prolly got a sackful of cash for me

but yeah, no, just couldn't hack it, i felt like such a heel..i guess i just have pretty minimal needs, i live with my uncle and he's a pensioner so rents no problem and...yeah, im just pretty much a jeans and t shirt kind of a guy. i'm not broke broke broke but im rarely flush and its cool y'know, its like what the fuck, its not like i got kids to feed..

I never had a credit card so I don't know what the hell they is talking about!

I was just repeating something I heard on the news which surprisingly doesnt seem to effect me.

But I guess I'll have suffer for it in some way.

ahhh, no y'wont. The price of pot noodles aint going nowhere and neither are social security...theres a comfort in being broke as fuck on the first of the month, the joys of which i cant begin to explain

Nah, it pretty brutal out there, you just run off the library after you get ur ass kicked a few times. It is made that whatever you do you will have to fight for survival and maybe that's right. After your 10 hour shift you get a beer and a smoke go to bed up at 6. but at least you got a bed and heating. If you get cocky like try to be an artist you get to sleep rough til you get lucky or die of a drugs overdose. If you have the talent, werewithall, luck you get to make it and act like you might know what your doing, then all your family members die and your left with some horrible debt left over from credit crunch and a mortagage the size of japan. so you gather your self up and use what talent you have less and try and haul to the finish line.

"I just want to pay the mortgage and escape with my balls still attached to my body" - Ford in Hollywood Homicide.

I don't even have a mortgage!

I think I'm winning!

"Kids are smart these days. You never see one with a full time job, a mortgage or a wife. They are fucking smart these fuckers!"

right up until y'said credit crunch that was pretty astute

That can work out pretty well. But sometimes the bigger picture cramps your style.

"I was just out to have me some fun, but it's easier said than done" - If Mick is struggling, I've got problems.

But yeah you go for what you can and make the best of it.

y'know what the real problem is? we all know too much. again, at the risk of sounding fascist, like Nietschze said, the worst fuckin thing to happen to the human race was literacy its just opened up a can of worms that just didnt need opening. everyones so overinformed they're afraid of their shadow. things need to be a bit more...cavemanish. y'know like...guitar....i like the sound of a guitar...i wanna play guitar...i want guitar playing to be my life...no matter what...there, done deal. Now you gotta go out to the library and get 4,000 books on past masters or else you feel like you're missing the trick somewhere..

i think reality is what you make of it. you just have to be obtuse enough to hook onto the first good idea you feel passionate enough about and push it through by any means necessary. There is no single reality, just different ways to approach a kind of healthy self-delusion.

Dyin' ain't much of a livin'.

not to sound like Geeko the Spazz Boy, but the actual quote is "Dyin aint much of a livin boy"

We done caught us the Josey Wales!!!

Basically postmodernism killed Art as a radical force. It's just become a business and there's only a very small market of people with enough cash to buy the work, they are usually rich and having good time, and it's fun but trying to make politically charged art for a load of hedonists is pretty demoralizing. You just end up doing something fun and getting wrecked at the private view, it's nothing special. Then you just end up in advertising! Use some creative to sell Shampoo - there is no soul to this century so there can't be an equivalent of a Munch's Scream - it's just wacky ways to sell stuff - based not on logic but on the whims of the masses - if they think KFC is great give it to them - tell them what they want to hear.

What they were saying in the 60s was kind of flawed anyway - The Beatles were the product of the post war prosperity, given so much freedom to explore their creatvity on the back of the industrialist era and with a whole nation focused on them almost soley for a while. So it's like those 90s bands who preached revolution but came to shows by private jet, were using electricity to power their guitars which were made in factories in China. They were the first cultural opium to keep us happy as we ground out our days in the factories. I guess they tried to change the way people thought but they just got repalced by The Stones who just gave people what they wanted, booze, chicks and satanism. In the 80s they gave up their ideals and became accountants got divorced are now travelling the world like some kind of porno travel writers - oh isn't this buddist temple interesting, now lets get pissed and go back to our suite at the Hilton.

are you trying to depress me or what? Nah, you're fucking right man, art school needs to be handed back to the morons or the so called morons or even religious people y'know? people passionate about something. there was a time when total psychopaths came and gave lectures in art colleges, galvanised people. i think 99% of the problem is people like me and you. all talk and no practical application, too self aware, too...whats an opinion without action? (throughout this i've just presumed that you're as big a bum as i am and i apologise for that, for all i know you could be like...Dali mk2 )

Can someone say something about a movie before Frank and I ruin this thread as we have ruined so many others? Thank you.

i can. Kenneth Anger, i watched Invocation Of My Demon Brother, Lucifer Rising, Scorpio Rising and something Rabbit the other day. ever see em Ang'?

Rabbit's Moon. No, for some reason his writing makes me dread his films, even though I'm sure I'll get around to them eventually. Did you dig them?

seen em quite a bit a coupla years ago and i absolutely LOVED them then and i still do. just the whole abstract nature of movies like those and like Warhol flicks and Eraserhead, where its like SOOOOO far beyond typical linear narrative. i feel like its cinema doing what it really SHOULD be doing...the most enriching cinematic experiences to me are the abstract ones.

I'll get around to them. I'm just starting a Guy Maddin phase - I believe you'd like him.

heard a lot about him actually...think i might've seen some too, not sure...

Can someone say something about a movie before Frank and I ruin this thread as we have ruined so many others? Thank you.

i can. Kenneth Anger, i watched Invocation Of My Demon Brother, Lucifer Rising, Scorpio Rising and something Rabbit the other day. ever see em Ang'?

Rabbit's Moon. No, for some reason his writing makes me dread his films, even though I'm sure I'll get around to them eventually. Did you dig them?

seen em quite a bit a coupla years ago and i absolutely LOVED them then and i still do. just the whole abstract nature of movies like those and like Warhol flicks and Eraserhead, where its like SOOOOO far beyond typical linear narrative. i feel like its cinema doing what it really SHOULD be doing...the most enriching cinematic experiences to me are the abstract ones. Its part of what made me choose not to pursue cinema as a vocation because theres so little of that kind of work going on in cinema and frankly so little regard for it. its a terrible shame but, making a good linear movie is a craft and like any craft you can learn how to do it to some sort of respectable level. at least in terms of successful mainstream movies, without being disrespectful to the people who make em, i think its incredibely simple. the abstract ones though, all bets are off..

Can someone say something about a movie before Frank and I ruin this thread as we have ruined so many others? Thank you.

i can. Kenneth Anger, i watched Invocation Of My Demon Brother, Lucifer Rising, Scorpio Rising and something Rabbit the other day. ever see em Ang'?

I'm just trying to be helpful.

i'll bear that in mind next time i try and do something to get on your tits not that i've ever tried to do such a thing you understand

It's okay sweetie, I know you need attention. When I can, I'm happy to oblige. *pets head*

and i'm aware that women in their twilight years tend to develop mothering instincts so i guess we both serve a purpose

Acutally, it's more like the instinct one has to protect a puppy.

well the infant is interchangeable, the instinct is identical...i think no, actually, y'know what..."arf arf!!" there, that works

I'm just trying to be helpful.

i'll bear that in mind next time i try and do something to get on your tits not that i've ever tried to do such a thing you understand

It's okay sweetie, I know you need attention. When I can, I'm happy to oblige. *pets head*

and i'm aware that women in their twilight years tend to develop mothering instincts so i guess we both serve a purpose

I'm just trying to be helpful.

i'll bear that in mind next time i try and do something to get on your tits not that i've ever tried to do such a thing you understand

Just playin, i love it too and i think a lot more people do than tend to let on...although that bordering on pomposity on my part, what the fuck do i know about people and their tastes, especially making a wholesale statement like that, shame on me..

You do tend to be a jackass that way...

and you dear girl, ever on hand to bolster my self esteem, i cant tell you how much it means to me

My taste in television is exquisite. Were I able to get into The Wire, it would be pretty much faultless, thank you very much.

did someone fart in here or is it just me? :xmasssanta:

I'm not looking for Citizen Kane, I'm just not looking for stomach turning sentimentality. I do generally like him though. Have you seen Zohan? I *loved* that.

no i've not seen Zohan but i heard he was making a movie with Russell Brand in it and i adore him so i might go catch it if he's in it

Titanic is one of my guiltiest pleasures. And it is corny and sappy, and the dialogue is totally inexcusable. But as a whole it works for me, always has.

ONCCCCCCCCCCCCCE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE...YOU OOOOOOOOOOOPEN THE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRR

Just playin, i love it too and i think a lot more people do than tend to let on...although that bordering on pomposity on my part, what the fuck do i know about people and their tastes, especially making a wholesale statement like that, shame on me..

load of fuckin bullshit i say but then i never listen to metal. unless the one Pantera album that Fuck Fear on here urged me to buy counts. they were pretty cool actually, pretty neat, pretty okay

I do agree. I listen to some metal, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Metallica, and I checked out some Pantera on Fuck Fears recomendation and like them, but I'm pretty sane, at least I think I am.

My wife occasionaly tells me otherwise.

ahhhh the wife, where would we be without them?

(drinking probably )

load of fuckin bullshit i say but then i never listen to metal. unless the one Pantera album that Fuck Fear on here urged me to buy counts. they were pretty cool actually, pretty neat, pretty okay

Saw Click with some mates last night. Very meh.

i like it, i think its cute

Meh. it's watchable. The scene at the end with the father made me fucking sad, though.

and thats exactly what i mean. Cinema is as good as the reactions that it evokes and the nature of those reactions. now you can purposely switch the cynic on in you (like some people do, not saying you but...y'know, whoever does) and sit back with folded arms and go "oh well its this this and this, its corny" or you can understand that cinema, especially movies that are by nature quite fantastical like Click are about suspension of disbelief. Mustn't let the critic in you effectively dillute your ability to enjoy as many kinds of movies as you can if you're that way inclined

then again, each to their own, some people might just think thats it a piece of shit

There's truth in the last sentences of your post, Frank, but, you know - god knows how many pre-teen girls have cried their eyes out to Titanic, but that film is still sappy crap.

See i quite like Titanic, i think its very...emotionally engaging. The problem is people sorta sit there, not watching it, knowing the story line and the whole spiel around it and go "oh, its so corny and sappy" but its interesting to see how many of those people see it through and find themselves engaged by it. Part of the beauty of cinema as well as one of its biggest shortcoming but i think its more to do with peoples perception and their, at times, inflated sense of their own understanding.

Saw Click with some mates last night. Very meh.

i like it, i think its cute

Meh. it's watchable. The scene at the end with the father made me fucking sad, though.

and thats exactly what i mean. Cinema is as good as the reactions that it evokes and the nature of those reactions. now you can purposely switch the cynic on in you (like some people do, not saying you but...y'know, whoever does) and sit back with folded arms and go "oh well its this this and this, its corny" or you can understand that cinema, especially movies that are by nature quite fantastical like Click are about suspension of disbelief. Mustn't let the critic in you effectively dillute your ability to enjoy as many kinds of movies as you can if you're that way inclined

then again, each to their own, some people might just think thats it a piece of shit

That sounds like a Hollywood movie. Let's test the audience - I think most artistic endevours get turned into mind control.

definitely. thats actually something that someone might wanna point out to the arty farty brigade that are always critical of advertising and marketing but by the same token you should be (or i would be) looking at it from the angle of distorting commonly acceptable modes of marketing and what is marketable. the whole idea is that the artist is in control of the art or at least leading the art (although there could be an argument made for the mirror opposite now i think about it)

This is why i could never dig art school. It used to spit out some pretty radical motherfuckers...doesnt seem to happen anymore. I think it has something to do with art (and just about everything else) being allowed its avenue for expression y'know, being given its own space to occupy (like everything else) and because of that its just become very complacent. Things only get interesting when art and the notions and ideas surrounding it spill into other areas.

But if you have the stubborness you can push anything through

and thats the important part although, granted, it occupies a space thats beneath fucking supermodels

I just meant keeping things as an easily understandable language is propaganda.

definitely.

People just saw it as trying to be "intellectually naive" - you can't do that!

how'd you mean? you might've pointed out the possibility of their having a higher regard for their intellect than what it actually projects cuz i think thats a brilliant idea if you can channel it right.

i think cut ups work better in writing or poetry or cinema...especially cinema because the whole idea is that it mirrors our perception and cinema as an art covers more of the senses. what i think is an interesting notion or might be an interesting experiment, if only it didnt have strange Clockwork Orange-ish Third Reichian implication () would be to experiment with it on people, perhaps to take a week or a month or a year documenting your dreams in as much detail as possible and re-creating them cinematically, using the cut up technique and then watching them intensively over a period of time, perhaps under the influence of some drug or another, something that encourages focus and then guaging the resultant effect on the subject.

Cut ups are such a wonderful representative of our own perception, both concious and subconcious (people seem to miss the concious part and agree with the subconcious bit). Its very difficult to divorce yourself from the nature of your perception and evaluate it objectively but try it...just on yourself during the course of your day...the thoughts that occur, the sensations, the order in which they occur and then maybe at the end of a given day, lump it all together and channel it through either prose or re-lay it into poetry and see what comes out. doing this over a period of time i think has the potential to be quite elevating if a little extreme.

Kick ass! I've often thought everyone would be so much better off if they just followed mine and Leksi's lead about everything.

and skip the entire TV show bit :xmassrudolph: no offence but yous two can be a bit atypical at times in your taste. Or at least in the areas of your taste that you care to make known.

Ha ha! You just lost the right to mock anything I like. Ever

whaatt?? its goofy and kinda cute, whats wrong with that? i mean if you're looking for Citizen Kane then y'aint gonna like it but if you just take it for what it is its pretty entertaining. I've never seen an Adam Sandler movie yet that i disliked. They're easy viewing and not a little entertaining every day can't be a Warhol day...not for me.