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Just seen 'What's eating Gilbert Grape' with Depp and DiCaprio. Wow .. DiCaprio's performance was amazing!!

last good one i've seen out of him...hmm, This Boys Life was pretty good actually..

please, Rolling Stone aint had no integrity since like...late 70s/early 80s..

i saw this one dvd somewhere and it was called the swinging 60s, it was some dvd about the brian jones era stones and it was some 70 minutes long, i really wanted to buy it but i was afraid it'd be like that one of those unauthorised no footage having pieces of shit...anyone seen it? i think might've been called Brian Jones and The Rolling Stones..

im about 40 pages short of finishing According To The Stones....REALLY cool book, just the kind of thing i was looking for, all band interviews and no nonsense. Wyman was kinda conspicious with his absence.

Do have one gripe though...

everyone of those little pre-chapter opener writers kept fucking ragging on the beatles...was that really fuckin necessary?!?! The fucking band themselves didnt do it so whats these assholes problem? i understand, it kinda lends a bit of context but some of them or at least one of them was going a bit too far. they kept starting off like that, ragging The Beatles...the very fact that, from a compositional point of view, they feel the need to...i mean its almost like the rolling stones standing in music history is relative to where they were in relation to the Beatles which is silly. maybe im just a bit too big a beatles fan and took it a bit personal but fuck me, it was a bit....y'know, they most ALL were doing it, some of them worser than others.

That said im REALLY motivated to see how the stones output was post Goats Head Soup (latest Stones album i've heard, not heard any after that). AMAZING book though i enjoyed it and am enjoying it incredibly, thank you for the reccomendation. Wish they had better documentries on it though, like a Stones equivlent to the beatles anthology, i'd LOVE that and im sure others would too

whats that 40 Licks dvd set like? any old footage in it? :) and Shine A Light too (says it has some old footage but how much?) i REALLY wanna see some old footage, i have gimme shelter and cocksucker blues and the stones in the park and the who's, excuse me, the ROLLING STONES rock n roll circus...what else is out there thats REALLY good?? they're career is crying out for a definitive Beatles Anthology type documentry. but then again i guess their careers aint over, they're still around and touring. then again so is A Who (as opposed to The Who).

most of the Beatles output really to my mind. even a lot of times when they were like...singing about relatively depressing stuff "Chains, my babys got me locked up in chains and they aint the kind that you can see" they have such a joy in their delivery it just livens up my fucking day.

i find that with a lot of songs...its not so much the subject matter as how its put across. Im Down by The Beatles is another example, such gusto to it, it just comes off kinda...upbeat...strangely. I Saw Her Standing There is another example.

What Brian Epstein called the delicate balance between joy and tragedy or something along those lines. When you reach that through music i think that is the measure of perfection.

Satisfaction by The Stones hits it...its not particularly a cheery song subject matter wise but...i dunno, y'know

Get Off My Cloud, dont you feel you could just yell that chorus in the streets sometimes?? :):)

or is that just me :confused2:

Well, thing is Zeppelin gets ragged on a lot for taking stuff from other people. Yeah, we know, but many, many bands do this, often with a lot less respect. Zeppelin generally took things and made them their own (with the probably exception of Whole Lotta Love). Bands like Oasis for example just took loads of Beatles stuff, said yeah we nicked it and don't get half the stick for it. Zeppelin made these old blues tracks into masterpieces and yet they get it in the neck for it? The Red Hot Chili Peppers did it too with Dani California and they don't get shit for it. I get why people do it, it's a takeoff and they got to a legendary status with it, but surely it's something about the band itself that made it a better song to receive such accolade?

i wasnt really that aware of it but im curious now...do go on

y'know the further i get into the blues the more Led Zeppelin start to feel a bit...i dunno, dont wanna piss off any Zeppelin fans here cuz some of you are a bit militant to say the least (which is understandable, i am too with stuff like The Beatles and The Who and The Sex Pistols).

Whats even odder is that The Stones could just as easily be accused of what im implying Zep are guilty of (and im not really sure what that is) but for some reason it just doesnt seem to apply as much. The Stones seem to...maintain something. Its more a feeling i get from the music than anything else.

I think Zep best shine on that one song, Rock n Roll, thats the fuckin shit right there :):) and Black Dog.

selling what out? its hardly like subscribed to some underground ethic...did they?

each to his own but i think Kid Rock is fucking dreadful. you want nutty high powered hillbillys? try The Reverend Horton Heat

Thanks Frankie.

What about Kind Of Blue?

Brilliant. but its more of a tasters choice kinda selection. Not that BB isnt, its just BB is kinda...dark as well as free and freaky, its kinda different. if ya dig BB then Miles is the man for you

Bitches Brew...its pretty out there but very rewarding

whys everyone talking about Sunny, he aint even in here

and yeah, what DSG said, Rotten: No Irish No Blacks No Dogs is off of a sign on boarding house windows in england right up until the 70s. His whole family were irish, thats the entire point. Dont tell me you honestly thought it was some manifesto for race war?

EDIT: sorry, bit dim, missed that yeah... its Axl whatshisface being talked about not Sunny-Corleone

there is something wrong with music but its nothing that isnt wrong every decade before now...look for what you like, dont wait to be fed cuz you might be around for a while.

heres the original story - kele is a fuckin no mark attention seeking idiot.

Bloc Party and Sex Pistols' John Lydon in 'racist attack'

Kaiser Chiefs and Foals step in after 'unprovoked' incident at festival

Bloc Party's Kele Okereke was involved in a fight with The Sex Pistols' frontman John Lydon at the Summercase festival on Saturday (July 19).

Details of a disturbance at the Spanish event first emerged when Foals frontman Yannis Philippakis mentioned he had been involved in a fight with the veteran singer while onstage at the Latitude Festival.

However, speaking today (July 21), Okereke has explained that he was the target of the attack.

Branding the incident an "unprovoked racist attack", Okereke suffered severe facial bruising, cuts to his face and body and a split lip.

The incident began as Lydon socialised with a host of British acts backstage at the Spanish festival.

According to Bloc Party, their singer approached Lydon to ask if he would ever consider reforming one of Okereke's favourite bands, Public Image Ltd.

However, in a statement from the younger band they claimed that the Sex Pistols singer "became intimidating and aggressive while his entourage responded with a racist tirade including the statement, 'Your problem is your black attitude'."

Okereke was then involved in a fight with three of Lydon's associates, at which point Foals' Philippakis and Kaiser Chiefs' Ricky Wilson stepped in to help the Bloc Party man.

The incident was broken up by festival security and was later reported to Spanish police. It was reported to police in the UK after Okereke returned.

"It's not an issue of the physical assault, even though it was an unprovoked attack, it is the fact that race was brought into the matter so readily," Okereke explained today.

"Someone as respected and as intelligent as Lydon should know better than to bring race into the equation, or socialise with and encourage those who hold such narrow-minded attitudes.

"I am disappointed that someone I held with such high regard turns out to be such a bigot."

see now this complicates the whole thing a little. cuz its actually saying his entourage was saying the racist stuff, not Rotten himself and as i've mentioned earlier, John Rambo his childhood friend admitted to "going out paki bashing" as a kid. But yeah, Rottens boys are not to be messed with, he surrounds himself with these guys, the "Arsenal Mob" or "The Herd" (something to do with football and shit and where he lived and his local team) which sort of became a necessity back in the mid/late 70s when the whole God Save The Queen thing blew up and it wasnt the smartest thing for him to be walking down the street on his lonesome cuz he was literally headhunted and, apparently he's stuck with em ever since.

I actually remember a similar occurance, it seems wherever Rotten is with Rambo and the rest theres always some sort of trouble, some sort of fight...like at some afterparty for the reality show he went on and they turned up, scaring the crap out of Westlife and god knows who else, causing a ruckus and getting ejected around which point (as reported by some English tabloid or another) his wife Nora apologised to a few people in attendance saying that she really didnt like...that crowd he spent his time with.

Who knows what the truth of it is..

John Rotten a racist?!?! the man who bought reggae to mainstream radio, the man who was obssessed with reggae, the man whoose drummer Martin Atkins was black, the man whoose stepdaughter is married to a black man and whoose subsequent kids he takes to Disneyland?? sorry, not buying it..

(although having said that, his minder John 'Rambo' Stevens is a man that admits to going out "paki bashing" in his day but i hear that was sort of commonplace in late 60s early 70s England...i wouldn't know).

Seriously though, Rotten a racist, its fucking ridiculous...this is a guy that got who used to catch hell in his day for being such a pusher of reggae, the man who, in their recent residency at brixton kept pushing a massive tribute to Denton 'The Bear' Collins, another black man...the man whoose new dvd (or whoose bands new dvd rather) has a good portion of it with him going on about how all cultures and creeds made up his crowd/fans/inner circle.

Rotten, the only man Richard Branson could find that was down enough to go with a Don Letts (another black man) to Jamaica scouting for talent.

ladies and gentleman the original Klan poster boy

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I believe utter shite is the phrase you are seeking.

awww, i like it, i think its really sweet :)

That's cool...you can go back and watch the original Who all you want...and you should...and I'm glad you do!

But it's over...it done...it's in the past.

My intention with this thread was to point out...to anyone...whether you like Pearl Jam or not...they just did a damn fine job of performing a couple of songs from Quadrophenia.

...Quadrophenia!!

That's no easy feat...and to make it sound good...no,great..is worth commending.

Quadrophenia to me is one of the greatest albums ever,it captures an essence of the confusion and turmoil of youth that most "Can't Explain".

Angelica was off the mark actually,I didn't create the thread to taunt you,it was more to say "look...look at this...perhaps from your budding musician point of view...you might not usually like them...but MAN...they did the Who up right for all the World to see in a t.v. special INTENDED to show all the world how amazing the Who were.A guy rolling around the crowd in a giant plastic ball was the farthest thing removed from what the Who were about.Pearl Jam tapped into the emotion and passion which is at the core of the Who and especially Quadrophenia.

What Pearl Jam did that night is no different to what you do here every day in regards to reverence for the Who.

When you ffrank,get a band together and play some shit off of Quadrophenia that's real cuz you ain't a college hooray for tolerance! and really get where the Who were coming from..and you improve on what Pearl Jam did...I'll slide the Pearl Jam performances off to the side and commend you all to hell for such an a achievement.

Till then,they're the only band I've seen nail Quadrophenia material in such a powerful,professional way.

But to undermine the efforts of a show and bands that was intended to HONOUR the Who by going "fuck that...listen to this Youtube clip from 1972,how dare they acknowledge the Who"...is just...I dunno...silly?

i guess you're right and i was being sort of a nimrod. just wish The Who would get more credit...not so much from the rock establishment but from the fans. like this board for example. odd lack of Wholigans here, i cant imagine why. The Stones get it, Beatles too....then The Who ratio is kind of a huge drop off.

sorry, just reminding myself what the fuss was about :D

When you ffrank,get a band together and play some shit off of Quadrophenia that's real cuz you ain't a college hooray for tolerance! and really get where the Who were coming from..and you improve on what Pearl Jam did...I'll slide the Pearl Jam performances off to the side and commend you all to hell for such an a achievement.

uh...i can juuuusst about play Substitute now?

I've not seen Notebook yet. My friend raves about it and she generally knows her films. I'll have to check it out soon.

James McAvoy puts forward one of the performances ever in Atonement easily. It's basically impossible not to be taken in by the tragedy of it all. How he didn't win an Oscar for it is beyond me...

if your friend likes The Notebook she might like A Walk To Remember too Nicholas Sparks....kinda corny but it all depends on what you respond to really. is corny the word im looking for? no, i dont think it is...overly sentimental? possibly but...still not exactly quite what i mean.

pearl jam are just the most boring band i've ever listened too!.

thats very forgiving of you. personally i'd call it a bunch of pussy ass college boy bullshit. honestly, these hooray for tolerance!s couldnt carry The Who's jock(s)

i'd have to agree with you franky! they have no energy on stage or in the music. BORING! in my opinion anyway.

not that theres anything wrong with college boys...Pete Townshend was one But he appropriated his education, it didnt appropriate him..besides which what we call college in America aint nothing the same as what it is in England.

What's all the sneering crap about college and the appropriation of education about, anyway? Ed didn't even finish high school, let alone attend university.

I believe he was referring to the people that listened to the music, or at least that's what I assumed.

correct

@Zint: part of what i was saying was in response to the fucking preposterous claim that PJ are better than The Who, THE Who, Keith, Rog', Pete and John.

(just watching The Who do Bell Boy at Charlton..THE SECRET TO ME, IT AINT FLOWN LIKE A FLAG, I CARRY IT BEHIND THIS BLEEDIN' SILLY LITTLE BADGE...WHAT SAYYYYSS: )

:):)

But he appropriated his education, it didnt appropriate him

that's some bullshit right there. quadrophenia and tommy reek of art school pomposity.

all concept, little or no musical derivation, as a rock opera should be.

thats what i meant by him appropriating his education and it not appropriating him...because although it was REALLY artsy sort of stuff, but it was expressed and played and put across with a kind of working class gusto...didnt lose sight of who he was and where he came from and what sort of music he was playing (rock n roll, fast and loose free and easy, passionate). thats what i meant by saying he appropriated it into rock n roll as opposed to like....it being the dictatorial facet. This is the entire reason Quad' and Tommy would come off lame if not for The Who playing it like they did...

They weren't trying to replicate,copy,do better...or be the Who

They were paying tribute to them...you know...thanks for being so amazing!

That was the whole premise of the show...and the Who themselves were very appreciative.

Pete:"thanks for this evening...it's better than a piece of plastic".

Pearl jam nailed those songs regardless of what you think about them as a band.

I don't know many bands around today who could have nailed Quadrophenia material like that!.

Sorry man... but Oasis couldn't have pulled that off...Nirvana couldn't have pulled that off.

i know...and believe it or not (thousands wouldn't) im not so stupid that i didnt/dont understand that. its just...i dunno...to me its like watching Paul Anka do fuckin Minor Threat shit..something about Pearl Jam just turns my fucking stomach..

Really, Frank? Charming.

you know what i meeeann.. (OK, maybe i was a little outta line there) wasnt being homophobic...hooray for tolerance!s in the way you might call a guy a cunt or something.

I hate the Who.....just for the record...but this was good

The Who, on their worst fucking night (Moon era Who) would blow Pearl Jam off the fucking stage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qL-xNbqgMY

Whoooo shit!! somebody put a clock on Moon :) (if only the rest of the footage existed/was found)

I'm not a huge Pearl Jam fan, but imo, that performance was excellent! And unless I was watching a different clip, it was anything but boring.

i was being a bit...extreme about it but the suggestion that Pearl Jam do the who better than the Who or are even worthy of the hem of their garment is just a tad...insulting?

Edward, Who the fuck are you??

pearl jam are just the most boring band i've ever listened too!.

thats very forgiving of you. personally i'd call it a bunch of pussy ass college boy bullshit. honestly, these hooray for tolerance!s couldnt carry The Who's jock(s)

i'd have to agree with you franky! they have no energy on stage or in the music. BORING! in my opinion anyway.

not that theres anything wrong with college boys...Pete Townshend was one But he appropriated his education, it didnt appropriate him..besides which what we call college in America aint nothing the same as what it is in England.