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coma is the first song springing to mind

it's main problem is, it's just too long. it builds, and builds, but it builds to nowhere. ok that's not true. you hear hospital sounds eventually.

i'm sure the song has a deep personal meaning to axl, and no doubt is it an example of deep emotive expression within the lyrics. but that doesnt change the fact the song gives me the feeling it's just one more of axl's grand visions, forced on the rest of the band who had to come up with some tunes to accompany the lyrics.

the song lacks the vibrance of double talking jive (which is, ironically, criminally underrated) or the rocking edge of RNDTH or YCBM.

the song has many fans though, and they are loud in spreading the word. but here's the thing: a good song sells itself, it doesnt need "sellers" to do that.

i could have happily done without the song on UYI 1. the song is a stylistical gap with the other songs and feels out of place. it would feel more at home on chinese (an album which i've come to dislike more and more over the years).

saying it goes nowhere isn't true...Axl spills his guts at the end which is nothing short of amazing lyrically and vocally

i also disagree with it being left off of UYII...there is songs that could have been left off forsure but Coma isn't one. thats your opinion though

i believe the track is Slash's creation btw

you're half right about the song being slash's creation. slash wrote the music first, it took axl about a year writing the lyrics for it. i had to look that up just now. never knew slash came up with the song. it's not something i would expect slash to write musically

coma is the first song springing to mind

it's main problem is, it's just too long. it builds, and builds, but it builds to nowhere. ok that's not true. you hear hospital sounds eventually.

i'm sure the song has a deep personal meaning to axl, and no doubt is it an example of deep emotive expression within the lyrics. but that doesnt change the fact the song gives me the feeling it's just one more of axl's grand visions, forced on the rest of the band who had to come up with some tunes to accompany the lyrics.

the song lacks the vibrance of double talking jive (which is, ironically, criminally underrated) or the rocking edge of RNDTH or YCBM.

the song has many fans though, and they are loud in spreading the word. but here's the thing: a good song sells itself, it doesnt need "sellers" to do that.

i could have happily done without the song on UYI 1. the song is a stylistical gap with the other songs and feels out of place. it would feel more at home on chinese (an album which i've come to dislike more and more over the years).

without Izzy it's not guns n roses. izzy's signature guitar sound can't be overstated

Yeah, just listen to UYIs, his guitar sound can barely be heard.

is that so?

the UYI albums have some killer rhythm guitar. RNDTH, double talking jive etc have some of my favorite rhythm parts

without Izzy it's not guns n roses. izzy's signature guitar sound can't be overstated

the name "slash and the conspirators" got me thinking.

like i said, the stoke DVD (which axl had to sign off, obviously), was released in 2011, somewhere around the creation of the conspirators name...

but what did he mean with conspirators? as in, conspiring all along that a reunion would happen eventually? all of this seems like one big conspiracy anyway.

14 november 2011: slash live in stoke was released containing GNR songs.

if appetite for democracy is proof, then the stoke release is too.

i think the beginnings of them communicating again, and agreeing on something, even through their lawyers, can be traced at least as far back as this date.

according to my source, paul is laying down the last lead guitar tracks for CD3 (CD2 was cancelled in the maelstrom), replacing the ones slash did last september

everything should be in place for a massive world tour in 2020, celebrating the 30 year anniversary of the farm aid concert. steven adler is expected to make a cameo appearance, when he comes crashing into frank's drum kit in an epic battle of the drummers

stay tuned.

even if the reunion doesnt happen, even if they dont make a public statement ever again, i can still happily live on with the thought of these two burying the hatchet

the mere thought of them discussing music, maybe jamming together, is inspirational beyond comprehension.

i dont need no fucking reunion shows. they wont feature adler and izzy anyway. i've got my ritz bootleg, its more than enough for me.

what do they still have to prove? nothing.

Not to prove, but to do a victory lap. 7 years left until Axl is 60 years old. He claims to have an album ready to go, Slash said it was nice to get rid of some of the animosity if that interview wasn't edited which I don't believe it was.

If there is mutual respect, it's possible to collaborate, even in a limited and controlled way.

they "could" do many great things. but like you said time is running out, there wont be "that" many things coming.

the higher the expectations, the bigger the potential disappointment.

if you'd ask me a year ago, what would really make me happy, i'd say it was them getting along again. in the end, isnt that all that counts? we already have that, it's coming from slash himself, and its ok. everything else is a bonus. which, i'm not sure i'm ready to handle just now.

who's to say live shows / rehearsals wouldnt lead to new conflict and we're off for a new war?

there is no way, however, i'm going to let myself get dissapointed if no show happens.

even if the reunion doesnt happen, even if they dont make a public statement ever again, i can still happily live on with the thought of these two burying the hatchet

the mere thought of them discussing music, maybe jamming together, is inspirational beyond comprehension.

i dont need no fucking reunion shows. they wont feature adler and izzy anyway. i've got my ritz bootleg, its more than enough for me.

what do they still have to prove? nothing.

if the obvious reading clue in "read between the lines" isnt enough for confirmation, i dont know what else is

where can i buy the tickets and do i get a free reunion blanket / flipper cabin with it?

Guns N' Roses ‏@gunsnroses Nov 9

Surely they'll read between the lines

Don't you worry, TB, we're all Reading now.

so reading it is

without paul, there is no guns n roses

Axl, Slash, Paul, Duff, Freese, Dizzy and Pitman as god intended.

we wanted the best, but they didnt fucking make it. so that's what we get.

without paul, there is no guns n roses

Only slash duff n Axl featured..

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM....

I think you might be reading too deep into that.. Then again, maybe you're not.

as in, reading between the lines?

117° reminds me a lot of lies in places.

one of izzy's masterworks, this album

some random thougts...

any reunion in any shape or form would have been done for the money, this is true. but, if it was the original appetite lineup it would radiate a certain "danger" and it would be totally rock & roll.

the lineup that is doing the rounds now, is not rock & roll. it's broadway. a big production, with about as much danger as a foo fighters concert.

for me at least, if it were axl, duff and slash, then i would think about adler's words about how duff doesnt like him / trust him. adler has recently shown he is more than capable of doing powerfull shows, so the only reason not to include him would be a personal one. no doubt due to his past as a heroin addict. and THAT would make it very hard for me, to take such a lineup serious.

what is the relevance of a reunion concert, when it doesnt have the original five? it's dishonest, it's MERELY a blatant cash grab. it would lack GNR's architect (izzy) and a former war buddy (steven). what we get is three musicians dying for some fresh cash flow, in the process destroying the legacy even further. i would really feel for steven and a small part of me fears he would not survive, and i'm not sure that's the event that should end GNR's history

makes no sense. wasn't slash always the least likely to be involved in a reunion? they just crossed the difficult one off the checklist so to speak. i cant see how it can be harder to have izzy (who has already played with axl recently) and adler in the group than to have slash. izzy i recall saying he would want to be involved in a reunion IF it featured the whole appetite lineup. the only reason i can think of that izzy would decline is because the others dont want adler back.

i will state here that i think woman beaters are the lowest of lowest. but of course, one hit differs from the other. it's hard to judge axl when we dont know the facts

We know the claims, we just don't know the rebuttal from Axl. He just paid them off.

a claim is not the same as a fact.

can you show me the proof that shows axl has beaten up a woman, any woman? and no, paying her off is not proof. it's not even an indication. it just means axl paid her money, so she would refrain from her claim. it's not a confession of guilt. if it were, prosecution would have an easy case in criminal court.

i will state here that i think woman beaters are the lowest of lowest. but of course, one hit differs from the other. it's hard to judge axl when we dont know the facts

without beta, axl wouldnt be here anymore, and we wouldn't all be here discussing a possible reunion anyway.

she only, what? saved our hero? what a wench she is...

someone should give that beta lad a medal

What do you mean by "Axl wouldn't be here anymore"? That without Beta, Axl, the little coward, would have killed himself years ago? I highly doubt it.

And whoever considers an allegedly women beater as a hero, should work on their low self-esteem.

rock in rio 2001, axl's words: he wouldnt be there if it were not for beta. i assume he's saying he would be dead if it wasnt for her. how he would have died, is anyone's guess. what matters is, in some way of another she was responsible for his survival. wether "the little coward" would have killed himself or not, i dont know. i only know what axl said on that day.

allegedly he was a woman beater, but who made you or anyone else judge and jury in this case? erin crushed axl's ball sack, so who's right or wrong? i sure as hell dont know nor do i have any interest in analysing axl"s tumultuous love life.

Soul can you interpret this for the rest of us?

*****

Action, four different women sued or reported him as being physically abusive towards them. I just read Stephen Pearcy's book and he says he went to a party and saw Axl punch Stephanie in the face. Axl ended up paying 1.5 million dollars to Erin/Stephanie for them to drop their cases against him.

Anybody who isn't as biased towards Axl as you are, can look back and make a pretty confident conclusion on what happened back then. But instead of looking silly by denying it, why not just realize that it happened 20-30 years ago, and that he probably has grown and matured since then, and is living a very different lifestyle now. None of us are the same people we were at 22 years old.

like i said, allegedly he was a women beater. considering the different accounts of women who claim to have been beaten by him, we have a good idea of what happened, but since:

a) he was not found guilty in court

b) as you say, since then there have been no new cases of domestic abuse

c) he seems to be nice to beta who is a woman too

d) it's really none of my business

i just find enjoyment in the music and take it from there

I have always interpreted it more as in he not being at RIR if it wasn't for Beta, meaning that it if wasn't for her he'd give up GN'R.

well done, beta.

people have said she was responsible for keeping slash away from axl, but since august we know axl and slash are on speaking terms again. if beta really doesnt want slash in axl's life, that would have never happened.

before august, i was as sceptic as anyone, but now i can see some benefits to beta.

another assumption is, beta is in it for the money. then why would she be against an appetite reunion, which would earn axl more money than he could ever earn otherwise? i'm sure beta isnt stupid. if you can tame axl rose, that must mean something.

so what will happen now is, i think a reunion will happen, beta will become something like the yoko ono of GNR, and as soon as the money rolls in, and BEFORE his old buddies can influence him too much, it will all be over.

without beta, axl wouldnt be here anymore, and we wouldn't all be here discussing a possible reunion anyway.

she only, what? saved our hero? what a wench she is...

someone should give that beta lad a medal

What do you mean by "Axl wouldn't be here anymore"? That without Beta, Axl, the little coward, would have killed himself years ago? I highly doubt it.

And whoever considers an allegedly women beater as a hero, should work on their low self-esteem.

rock in rio 2001, axl's words: he wouldnt be there if it were not for beta. i assume he's saying he would be dead if it wasnt for her. how he would have died, is anyone's guess. what matters is, in some way of another she was responsible for his survival. wether "the little coward" would have killed himself or not, i dont know. i only know what axl said on that day.

allegedly he was a woman beater, but who made you or anyone else judge and jury in this case? erin crushed axl's ball sack, so who's right or wrong? i sure as hell dont know nor do i have any interest in analysing axl"s tumultuous love life.

without beta, axl wouldnt be here anymore, and we wouldn't all be here discussing a possible reunion anyway.

she only, what? saved our hero? what a wench she is...

someone should give that beta lad a medal

"it wouldnt work" is kind of a bold statement.

of course they'll never again rival the popularity of say a one direction or a justin bieber, but i'm certain they could still rock away any other rock band that's still touring.

that is, IF they bring back the original appetite lineup. the sum being more than its parts, and all that.