saber_

Hey mindsaber i've been reading your post for a while and i think you should go fuck yourself.

You have no right saying what's good or what's wrong.

Everyone has different thoughts and no one gives a fuck about yours, so stop bitching.

Your hypocrisy is magnifique.

I'm not bitching about anything, dumbass.

Why don't you try and y'know, make a point about the subject matter of the thread, like i've been doing, instead of issuing hypocritical crybaby dipshit commentary. It's a fucking internet message board, quit getting so offended you giant puss.

If you disagree with my points, then *lightbulb moment*, make a counterpoint. Duh.

Who's bitching? Oh right, you.

Just watched Alice Cooper on the 'Joy Behar ' show.....(I know...wife had JB on, not my thing). Anyways- Alice Cooper was the guest. Dude was awesome. He mentioned how he met Elvis once and that Elvis was so protected by his people. He couldn't think, breathe, pee, crap or do anything without his people being around. Alice even saw Elvis months later and Elvis tried to say hi or whatever and his people shuffled him away in a hurry. Is Axl too protected/insulated? Wonder what would happen if he could break those chains & get away from the hangers on and yes men (Beta etc....). The users & hangers on. I don't know, Alice was interesting though.

What makes you think Axl doesn't know exactly what he's doing? That's the problem around here, people misinterpret so much about GNR it's staggering.

Axl operates with intent. You should know this by now. He's not out for fortune and glory any more. What's so hard to understand about that? He's low key. Is that a crime? He does what he wants. He's not driven to ascend to the top of the pop charts. He's not driven to constantly be in the public's eye. What proof do you have that he can't "think, breathe, pee, crap, or do anything without his people being around"? I'll answer that for you: YOU HAVE NO PROOF.

I'm not sure how he can be surrounded with hangers-on and yes-men and at the same time be too "protected/insulated" when it's obvious he determines his own destiny, and has encountered plenty of dissenting opinions. Read the fuckin chats, hell.

As Axl said in one of his chats, he doesn't work for you. I guess what I don't understand is why people manufacture these grandiose ideas as to why he isn't out to be in the public spotlight any more. He's older, wiser, and from all indications, seems to be following his own path, with no help from yes-men and hangers-on.

Your perception is flawed, that's all I have to say. Axl's an artist. Why you and other people seem to hold him to some unattainable unrealistic standard that no human being can achieve is beyond me. GNR has released an album, done some touring, is booked for Rock in Rio, and there are indications another album may be on its way. WHAT THE FUCK MORE DO YOU WANT? He's low key and there's a bit of mystery surrounding GNR: BIG FUCKING DEAL.

Axl knows what he's doing. Once you grasp that, you'll be able to move on from your misconceptions.

F1 is awesome I follow formulas too (Not just because Axl does) probably cos im finnish.

Axl is friends with Kimi Raikkonen.

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=128964

(there are other google hits about this, but there's a cool picture in the above thread)

Axl has openly stated that some in management were whispering sweet nothings into Slash's ear about getting Axl out of the band, among other things. I think this is verifiable from other sources too

What time frame are you talking about here? Axl missed a show back in the late 80's and the bands Manager Alan Niven approached the band about replacing Axl. The band realized that they needed Axl and the subject was dropped so I would hardly call that one incident a conspiracy to fire Axl. Salsh even wrote about it in his book and there were no other mentions by him that this ever came up again...

I have never ready anything about this happening during the UYI tours and Axl did not make his power play for band control until that tour...Niven was fired in March- May of 91 timeframe and the new manager Doug Goldstein was pro Axl so he was not going to push to have Axl fired so when did this supposedly happen? Do you have any citation for your claims?

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=133371&st=0&p=2292458entry2292458

Ok yes yes let me clear some things up. If you re-read Axl's homework assignment, there are several references to what I said. However, my phrasing did mix up a few separate issues, so let me amend what I said. Remember, in context, I was answering the thread creator's assertion that Axl was taking advantage of his bandmates. I dispute that claim, and I believe that Axl's homework assignment verifies this to a considerable degree. I wish there was a link to the questions prompting each answer, but his responses are clear enough in and of themselves.

i really get the impression that the interviewer doesn't get how big a deal he should have made over axl being interviewed, thats probably one of the biggest interviews of that guys career and he seemed pretty nonchalant about it

Actually I bet Axl appreciated the interviewer just asking him some quick lighthearted questions. It was an impromptu interview- not some sitdown major deal.

A few years back, Axl was invited by McClaren to an F1 race. Think we'll see him at any F1 races this year?

Here's a brief interview:

Hey don't tell me you're not reading everything when I have to sift through all yer fucking words too, buddy. My post should take less than a minute to read.

That certainly is an interesting point about Axl exploiting the situation, but I think it ignores much of the context at the time. Axl has openly stated that some in management were whispering sweet nothings into Slash's ear about getting Axl out of the band, among other things. I think this is verifiable from other sources too. There was a power struggle of sorts among all the various main players, plus things were chaotic on top of all that. Axl made a move to secure his position in the band, and yes take on a more prominent role in guiding the band. Things deteriorated after that, but they were already deteriorating prior to that, and that's a pertinent point.

Ultimately, I don't think Axl hates Slash for the reasons you put forth in the opening post, bottom line. Is he spiting Slash? Sure. But not for the reasons you gave.

Wow.... I knew you were a fucking nerd.

If this is how you spend all your time it must hurt loose every arguement you attempt to me-a person who has never visited any type of forum before until last month.

Here's what you can't argue.

1. Axl ruined original guns by making it a dictatorship, demanding the rights to the name, hiring and firing w- out consulting band members, late starts, no shows, cancelled tours, running up tour tabs with extravigant parties ( that nobody attende but him and his sukboys), calling out band members drug use in the middle of shows, never taking responsibility for his actions, never writing as a BAND during illusions, not showing up to writing sessions for weeks, and thinking that he IS gnr and didn't need them.

2. Axl still thinks about slash. He is in a lawsuit to remove his image from a video game right now rather than putting out his next "masterpeice". He freaks out in concerts if a fan says his name. He Put a whole song about him on his last album. He lives in the past.

Most songs on Chinese democracy were just him whineing all over the mic.

3. He calls him a sellout and a media whore.

4. He never does interviews, fought for the name only to put out one record in fifteen years.

5. He places gag orders on his muscians.

6. He can't keep band members, managers, producers, women, and most importantly FANS.

7. He is an all around douche bag as a human being which is why I see why you like him.

8. Slash puts out records, talks to fans, has sponsorships, appears with other artist of all kinds, doesn't just play pentatonic scales, has alot of the same crew and friends he always has( which to me says alot in this case and speaks directly to his character).

Is one of the biggest rock icon of all time for all generations.

9. Axl is a recluse, acts like he does no wrong and bottom line takes everybody and everything for granted.

I win the Internet. That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard .

You don't win the Internet. But I OWN YOU.

Prologue: I must "loose" every argument? No, my arguments are tight. Hah!

1. Axl took control of the band because his junkie bandmembers and their associates in the record company were fucking everything up. Is Axl eccentric? Sure. But it's been so exaggerated by you and others that the truth has been obscured about what really went down in the early 90's. And ok, if you want to make a valid criticism that he was aloof from the band, so be it. Gee, could there be any possible reason he was apart? Maybe he didn't want any part of the scene that had developed. So he took a prominent role in the band's decisions and separated himself. Why the fuck did Slash sign the fucking name over? Oh you wanna get deep about this, we can get deep about this. WHY DID SLASH AND DUFF GIVE CONTROL TO AXL? That is the question you should be asking yourself. And when you answer it, it may illuminate other things as well.

What your problem is is you're all caught up in the band name. Look at Van Halen: in that case, the brothers Van Halen retained the name. But DLR made some good Van Halen-esque songs on his solo records without Eddie, even though it wasn't called "Van Halen." Countless examples abound: band lineups change, things change. Look at Metallica. You've got the original 3 members and their latest album was a sincere attempt at returning to form, to quote Kirk Hammett. Well guess what? I'd rather have Chinese Democracy and Contraband over Death Magnetic any day of the week. You see- Axl and Slash's feud is propelling them to each create good music each in their own right.

2. He's over Slash. It's other people who constantly remind him of Slash, and every now and then, he'll fire off a nice quote about Mister TopHat. To Axl, Slash is just another ex-band member. That's what you don't get. It's not that hard to believe or accept. No different than Steven Adler. No different than Chris Weber.

3. Slash is a sell-out and a media whore. What's your point?

4. Oh well, then I guess you'd better be moving along then, eh? He's reclusive, sue him. You think he owes you something, but he doesn't. He's smarter than you think.

5. How can band members be gagged if they don't know what the plans are? What you fail to realize is that Guns n Roses is ethereal, they're gypsies: as are many musicans and groups. How GNR is operating is not some singularity. If you're lucky enough to catch them touring, very cool, be happy.

6. He's kept band members for a while now. Managers mean jack shit. Producers come and go, big deal. Women? Yeeeeah, you keep telling yourself that.

7. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE? TELL ME. OH WAIT YOU CAN'T. Because it means you're either trolling, or you're a bitter asshole, hellbent on trolling this site. Take your pick.

8. Slash has put out some decent blues rock records. Funny you would try to make some comment about "pentatonic scales" considering CD is much more varied than Libertad as far as guitar passages. mirite? You're right about one thing: Slash certainly is trying his damndest to make people notice him. This too, says a lot about his character.

9. A recluse he may well be, but it matters not. He doesn't take people for granted- that's just you being on your period. Axl has strong convictions, and surprisingly, may be a sensitive person. As far as your dumbassed accusations of him taking things for granted, do you REALLY believe that's the case? The man whom you just called a recluse is also taking everything and everyone for granted? Doesn't quite jive, does it? Whoops.

You don't own shit. You've had your ass so severely handed to you, all you can think to do is make haste towards tangents aplenty. You have no sense of humor, lest you wouldn't have made such a fool of yourself interpreting my "i win the internet" comment so literally. THAT WAS A COMMENT ON YOU DUMBASS. Do you hear a whooshing sound over your head? Heheh.

For someone who claims to not take this shit so seriously you sure spend a lot of time with counter arguments supporting Axl just "piss off Slash fanboys"..stop being a phony...oh yeah thats right you are just a fast typist...Yeah sure thats the ticket...

Oh make no mistake my friend, I do put effort in to this shit. You see, I come from the realm of video game message boards. You haven't seen nothin yet if you think I'm taking this shit seriously. Hahaha. In fact, I will fully admit I'm a nerd who's got too much time on his hands. So be it, whatever. I mean, c'mon- why so serious? There's a phrase out there: "Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics..." But damn I tell ya I want the gold medal bad!! ; ) Ultimately, if you just examine the premises and points I put forward, I just enjoy a good debate. I just ensconce it in colorful sentences.

Mindsaber:

You win nothin. You actually lose everytime. Your pathetic attemps to defend axl are never backed with any facts. You just put down others and mindlessly put axl on a undeserved pedestal. And WHO THE FUCK TALKS like that. I'll take a guess who. A fuckin geeky ass fuck who got his ass beat growin up and all he can do is go on forums and regurgitate axl's rants and interveiw quotes with no original thought or mind to take other peoples point of veiw into consideration, just to make himself feel good enough to go have a romantic evening with trilogy.

Go back to world of Warcraft you fuckin hobbit.

Why don't you go have sex.......... With a woman.

I win the internet motherfucker!!!

You're the one who's losing. No really. You're so butthurt and offended over my statements on an internet messageboard about Guns n Roses, that you're getting all bent out of shape over it and can't think rationally. I don't put Axl on any pedestal. I just bristle when assholes try to portray him a certain way. So I step in to prevent them from getting away with their bullshit. And so yes, I take on those people with a certain amount of gusto.

Who the fuck talks like what? Are you penalizing me for creative phrasing? What the fuck. You remind of the people in Idiocracy- you're docking me points for a good vocabulary.

Furthermore, I'm not regurgitating Axl's rants. Read my thread in the pre-94 forum. Also, why don't you, you know, actually read this thread? I don't accept the premises the thread creator is submitting. Most of it is complete bullshit. Notice I acknowledge his point about lack of output from GNR- sorry to shatter your reality there.

And finally... nice insult about World of Warcraft. I'm more a Gran Turismo 5 fan.

Nice final insult too. When defeated, always question the sexuality of your opponent, is that your tactic? But since you went there, let's get shallow! Allow me to retort: I'll take the pepsi challenge against you any day of week. ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, asshole. I'm 5'11", 165 pounds, full head of hair, and don't have problems attracting women. I'm sure you're a fat, balding, bitter, in-the-closet douchebag who masturbates over your Slash posters. Maybe it's time YOU had sex with a woman. heheh

I hope to God that Mindsaber is a cupcake

Hi there, yes, I too hope he is a cupcake. He sounds like a nut case. I skimmed through his stuff, didn't read it all, because it was a whole bunch of wild ranting - and I was just more than a bit freaked out by it.

Glad you other guys have some sense.

Oh and mindsaber or whatever the fvck your name is... you seem to think im some kind of slash fanboy, well, kind of, but I am also a big fan of axl rose.

Im a guns N Roses fan.

Not some kind of wild loony douchebag with an encyclopedic knowledge of bullshit.

Oh gee I guess you pussied out on the whole "COME AT ME BRO" mantra. What happened there, chief?

"More than just a bit freaked out" by reading my counterpoints? Really? I guess you shouldn't be so sensitive on an internet message board. And here I thought we were just having a spirited debate, as per your implicit request. Awww, whats the matter? You got called out on your evidence-lacking horseshit, so now you're giving up> Such a shame... all that remains are your hollow insults: the smoldering ashes of a defeated foe.

One Axl fanboy to rule them all. That would be me. ; ) There! Happy now? Hahaha.

^^Your taking this shit way too seriously mate..remember, after all it is just a geeky fan forum...... B)^^

Why don't you stop being a hypocrite buddy? Yeah, you. *points*

And, for the record, you're wrong: I don't take this as seriously as you'd loooove to imagine. I'm a fast typer and I have a half-decent vocabulary. I know to people like you that means I'm "taking it too seriously." HA! This from the guy who went to exceptional lengths to respond to my posts in the other thread. Gee what does that say about you? (psst: hypocrisy)

In fact, as I re-read that thread, it's so obvious you think you're some sort of board certified psychic and can ascertain my emotional state. Notice I ignored your posts after a while in that thread when it became obvious you just wanted to repeat (ad nauseum) how upset you thought I was.

Run along now plz.

sorta like you did, when you when you made that abortion of thread, that has been made more times than any other on this board.

a spade is a spade.

Ohhh this is indeed a momentous occasion! Sunny Dre has joined the fracas! Sunny Dre, the bitter perpetual whiner. Sunny Dre, the person with the never-was in his sig. Sunny Dre, whose entire posting history consists of bitching, moaning, crying, complaining, and snarky comments.

Although you act like you're some master logician,you really aren't: he made an identical thread to one that was already at the top of the forum. Nice spin attempt though, that pretty much sums up who you are.

How's that never-was doing in your sig? I bet she's going to be a big bright shiny star, a unique snowflake.

I am well aware of my rock n roll history thank you

and all those bands you mentioned released albums while the bands were going through those changes - deep purple released burn with the change of only 2 members - pink floyd released saucer with the addition of gilmour while still having syd, van halen - 1 singer change etc etc

they EVOLVED

Nice job missing the point, or most of it rather. But I do respect your point about releasing albums and so forth. However, your comment about them evolving is quite interesting.

Slash is a media whore and continues to pump out predictable blues rock. Hey, is some of it good? Why yes. I particularly liked "Fallen to Pieces," among several other VR songs. It's good rock n roll. Tell me though... is it an evolution?

Axl, on the other hand, released an album that was a radical reimagining of GNR's sound.

So, I guess you just got self-owned.

They didnt all get fed up with it - essentially deform and come back as a new band under the same name.

LETS TAKE AN EXAMPLE YOU GAVE.

Deep purple.

They released a few albums with coverdale, but when the lineup changes got too much, what did they do???? THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME! YES, WHEN ALMOST ALL THE MEMBERS WERE NO LONGER ORIGINAL MEMBERS THEY BECAME WHITESNAKE.

Thats what axl should have done.

BOOM.

YOU FAIL.

Wow, you really don't know jack shit about rock history do you? But good fucking job at being a complete ignoramus. Oh wait, you're just trying to spin shit. Well too bad for you there's something called the internet, else you might actually get away with spinning things so horribly. Yes indeed, unfortunately for your trashcan logic, Whitesnake itself went through several personnel changes- most notably adding Steve Vai on guitar for Slip of the Tongue. And hey I'm glad you decided to stop following Deep Purple after 1977. Deep Purple as well had all kinds of personnel changes. Who fails?

Who fails?

Now, let's go back to that gem of an opening post:

Axl still loves Slash, but he cannot and will not admit that even to himself.

No, you're just a deluded dumbass. The name is Du-Mass.

Kind of like a relationship (we know how Axl cannot get over relationships)

Not sure where you pulled this out of. Oh wait, actually I am sure. Your ass.

Axls ego will not relent and admit any fault - he will not admit to doing ANYTHING wrong in the past (im not saying slash is without blame, but he seems to be more willing to work through problems).

Axl has got to hate slash or he has got to admit faults. To admit faults would mean that the band COULD have continued, he COULD still have major success (apart from just sales based on name recognition) he COULD have a real band if slash was still there.

Oh here we go- the whole "ego" argument. I guess you weren't paying attention all those years when Slash was running his mouth about Axl. Gee, I wonder why Axl might hate him? Think real hard now. That, or go watch some interviews, which apparently you fail completely at.

A real band? Are you fucking kidding me? What is this, Rush Limbaugh is your idol and Slash is your Republican? Or wait, you're Al Franken and Slash is your lib. Gimme a break, pal. What people like you don't understand is that even if Slash was back in the band, it's not going to be like the glory days. Think real hard about that.

In his heart axl knows what he is doing is kind of bogus - he just cant admit it and now its gone on soooo long that to back down now would make him look ridiculous (or so he thinks) because his ego is so big he doesnt want to lose face.

HE DOESNT WANT TO LOSE FACE.

You clearly don't know much about Axl, which I guess kind of explains all your delusions. Axl operates with intent, in case you haven't noticed. What he's doing is not bogus. He owns the band's name- he takes the band touring. He released an album. And speaking of big egos, perhaps you oughtta take a look at your boy Slash. Oh but I suppose it's all Scott Weiland's fault too, eh?

Slash left, therefore - in Axls bi-polar mind he just becomes 'the enemy' in a kind of 'you are either with us or against us' kind of way. The only way axl feels he can keep respect is to be more successful than slash - create better music, sell more records and be more respected. He wants another classic album that sells like appetite to stuff slash's face in it - to go 'there, i did it without you - i didnt need you in the first place'.

Hey buddy! Yeah you! Maybe you should, y'know, actually follow the band you're pretending to know about. Axl said even before Chinese Democracy was released that it was going to be a departure from GNR's previous sound. So your whole "Sell more records and classic album" crap is nothing but the sad, angry words, of a bitter Slash fanboy. He doesn't need Slash, and Chinese Democracy went multi-platinum in various countries all over the world. So, yeah, Axl creates a non-pop record (unlike Slash) and it sells pretty good considering the times and the departure in sound. Sounds like to me you don't know anything about what it means to be an artist.

He is unuable to create as good music as he did with slash - he is unuable to have the hits and sell the records he did with slash and he must hate him for that also.

Hey buddy! Newsflash: He's not trying to have hits and sell records like the glory days. You must be confusing him with Slash, who is trying everything in the book to be in the public's eye and tell all who would listen "Hey look at me, I'm dressing the same as I did 20 years ago! Buy my record!"

He hates that he has to share some of the glory with someone else. He wants to take all the credit for everything ideally.

THATS why he hates him. Because to think anything else would mess him up because his ego would get totally out of whack and he might have to admit some shnit.

Share the glory. Riiiight, that's why Axl's all over the media just like Slash. Yeup, Axl just can't get enough of the spotlight. Mmm hmmm, it's a dead heat between him and Slash to see who can be the biggest media whore and sell the most Volkswagens.

The difference between Slash and Axl is Axl didn't sell out. He's the same guy full of piss n vinegar he always was.

So, with all that being said, perhaps you should go brush up on your GNR history and your rock history. You seem to have constructed these grandiose delusions that don't coincide with reality.

I agree with kyrie. There's a difference between having a song used for a commercial and actively participating in an ad for a car. Just another obvious example of Slash's media whore "hey look at me look at me!" approach to his career nowadays. I guess he must be hurting for money or something, because Volkswagen and rock n roll aren't exactly synonymous. I bet Ferrari and faster car manufacturers turned him down. ; )

In any event, I wasn't serious about Axl being possessing prescient abilities, as, yes I know: he probably was reading off a script. Still though, maybe that was a subtle prediction or subtle reference. He has been known to be slick like that. It'd be interesting to find out if he got to write or improvise any of the DJ's lines in the game. The coincidence is still fucking hilarious nonetheless.

And yes one can make fun of Slash and still enjoy his musical efforts in non-commercial, non-B.E.P.s, non-superbowl, non-rap contexts, etc. ; )

Mindsaber:

count stated his opinion about the lyrics and then told you why he felt that way.

Then you called him a cupcake without saying why you dig the lyrics therfore, you didn't back up your ideas. YOUR the fucking cupcake because you wait til anyone has any opinion that's not 100% positive about axl, and then jump in and say their full of shit without even backing your posts with even an explanation of why you think the way you do. You have no merit.

I think that the lyrics on CD are a comfirmation of him living in the past, holding on to anger, and I'm actually embarassed for him when I listen to it. I feel sorry for him.

I just don't like the themes of the songs. They are very self serving and irrelevant to the present times, which is fitting, considering.

I dig the music, arangements, and beastly shredding of the record though.

First of all, pal, I called him a "stealth cupcake." Perhaps you should avail yourself of internet memes because "stealth cupcake" is a different term than "cupcake," and there typically is humor associated with "stealth cupcake." On another note, no need to freak out. Notice he didn't.

Second of all, the thread is not about "digging" the lyrics. The thread's opening post clearly talks about metaphor, subtlety, and things of that nature. I submitted my thought there is more subtlety than he's giving credit for.

Thirdly, once again on this site I run into a vehement whiner, who posts like he's been here forever, but only 'joined' a month ago. Hmmmm....ghosts of banned users' past? Or perhaps just someone who is obsessed with alts?

FINALLY, your little analysis of Chinese Democracy is utter garbage. The lyrics on CD don't confirm anything of the sort. You should be embarrassed you think you have some psychic connection with Axl that you are 100% in tune with all the songs' meanings and origins. You don't like the themes? Well who the fuck are you? We're talking about an artist here, not some employee of yours whom you feel the need to criticize. Songwriters are poets in their own right, and also are like painters. You appreciate what the artist is creating because you have an appreciation for the artist and his creativity. You don't pick apart his offerings and come up with lame, empty criticisms devoid of factual, evidential value. You shared your opinion, good for you. Quit trying to portray it as some commonly agreed upon reality.

"Self serving and irrelevant to the present times"? Did you really just say that? Who died and made you the arbiter of lyrical interpretation?

In your case I'm gonna definitely say the subtlety of the lyrics are going over your head.

San Andreas was released in '04.

From what I can tell, Slash's *ahem* Volkswagen commercial was in 06.

I guess Axl's prescient.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then.

I just checked the lyrics for all 3 songs you just listed. What if perhaps some of the subtlety is eluding you?

I wonder if it's about his time spent lurking on the message boards. /jk

What in the fuck are you talking about? No i mean... really... what teh fuck are you talking about?

Quite frankly, I think you've expressed an opinion. And one poorly backed up by broad, sweeping, vague generalizations with little merit. Nice stealth cupcake though.

Hi there. Is there a reason you believe this post doesn't belong in the thread entitled "Is Slash still doing something that pisses off Axl?" which is one below this thread?

Oh I get it, you just had to have a thread all to yourself. Carry on then.

Also, you may want to brush up on your rock n roll history. All your grandiose exaggerations fall flat after a simple examination of many of the big rock bands of the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Van Halen, Kiss, Hanoi Rocks, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, David Lee Roth. There are examples aplenty illustrating that lineup changes are a common thing in rock n roll.

That's an awful lot of psychic knowledge you've amassed there. And cleverly veiled opinions disguised as facts. Next time don't be so transparent in your stealth trolling. Unfortunately, the evidence points to a different reality than the one you've conjured up in your mind.

NOW is the test of the true fan's mettle. Will you bitch and moan? Or will you persevere. That is the question you must ask yourself.

Welcome to a gnr forum. A lot of us have been dealing with this since roughly the year 2000 or longer.

Dealing with what... exactly? Boohoo, GNR is low key and off the radar. I've been dealing with that since 1994, whattaya think of that buddy? And guess what, I'm over it. They released an album and did some touring. Boo hoo. Be sure to tell Axl that his band's purpose is to fill your every waking moment with music and entertainment and interviews and internet message board rants. Me, I'll just enjoy what happens, when it happens. You should know by now you're not going to psychically compel Axl to do your bidding. If it's so tough for you, then why are you here? :eyeroll:

NOW is the test of the true fan's mettle. Will you bitch and moan? Or will you persevere. That is the question you must ask yourself.

Wellll

there was the.....

95 ,96,97,98

Wait......

there was the

99, 2000

01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08

Wait............................

That was fun...

that was soooooo fun

that was great

Headlines: Guns and Roses fans contemplate retirement and shop for nursing homes while band is incognito following up thier experimental ecclectic record "Chinese Democracy."

Meh you're a drama queen. Enjoy the shenanigans surrounding GNR. Lighten up, y'know? Or perhaps... you know.. go away.. if you don't like it.

Anything Goes performed with the Hollywood Rose arrangement.

I'd love to hear what Bumble could do with some of the main licks and especially the solo.

NOW is the test of the true fan's mettle. Will you bitch and moan? Or will you persevere. That is the question you must ask yourself.

Yer just gonna have to wait and see if he shows up again. And when he does, make the most of it.

Clearly something inspired him to say that. What could it have been? What is the meaning behind it? Heheh.

Mindsaber:

please name a so called infraction...... Anyone.... I'm waiting.

Read the fucking thread. I posted 2 videos of Slash. Others have posted lists as well. Note that in one of the videos HE ADMITS he's caused ill will. There you have it, from the horse's mouth.

Slash was all smacked out in 89, Axl made a comment about it during a concert. Boom: infraction on record. You want me to go on, or maybe you can just read the thread now.