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We're like sports fans. Just go to any team who's in a bad phase social network and you'll see the same type of thing, specially if it's evident that the results come from bad management and bad decisions instead of lack of talent. Guns N' Roses should be glad they have fans so passionate, but they're fucking blind. Of course I'll complain. You can't take that away from me, and you if you think I'm pathetic for caring so much, like you seem to display sometimes, shouldn't be you who should be ashamed to care so much? You're a fucking millionaire, idiot, I'm random fuck in Brazil who loves your work, what difference does it make to you what I want? It's ridiculous.

The not releasing music thing, ok, that would be almost understandable if you weren't so much of assholes when talking to fans about this. You seem to care too. You are irritade because you care. If you don't care, whoever is writing this defensive shit, fuck off. This band has separate completely it's body from it's spirit. What Axl has is a zombie, while we're here listening to Chinese Democracy II. Yeah, he'll make millions, while some of us are even on the brink of prosecution, but what you gonna do? Yeah, sure, the tour is technically already payed, and if someone were to have a financial loss it would be Live Nation. And? This is a brand? I liked when Guns N' Roses was a rock n' roll band, and if there's something more rock n' roll than stealing music from the artist because he got caught in some corporative web, you tell me what it is.

Yeah, we're out to get you, Axl. You created this. And I wouldn't be writing this if I thought you don't care. It's so easy for you, but no, Fernando is there arguing with fans on reddit. What's the deal, man? If you're lying to us, why would you complain that we're here complaining? Isn't that the game? Stop lying and we'll stop complaining.

On 01/02/2020 at 5:48 PM, Murielweathers@gmail.com said:

Off the topic of the show, but still social media related. If I were to message Beta or Fernando on Instagram, do you think they would respond? I have a question I need answered.

If you piss them off they might reply. A polite approach has never worked before, but on more than one ocasion they've both blasted when confronted.

"Complaints, complaints, complaints."

You might try.

First version of Atlas.

They played so much around they now have to announce concerts at places that don't even exist yet. Jesus Christ.

I'm not saying he had the rights to the songs. When I say he got them rightfully I mean he didn't get it the "wrong" way. 

Well, still. He wasn't the album producer but he was still Axl's producer, Axl's production adviser or whatever. He rightfully had the music. 

Don't lose yourself. Tom Zutaut rightfully had the tracks; he was the producer.

Any other artist's producer losing their boss' work to the point of it leaking online would be absurd. Somehow GNR managed to convince us the problem was actually on the people who found it. 

It baffles me that Tom Zutaut is so clean after all this. He's clearly the one to blame, if there's someone.

I mean, how the fuck do you let something like this happen? If I were Axl or UMG I'd wanna sue him too - point is they're not suing him, the guy who lost the stuff, but the guy who found it.

I've been suspecting since day one that GNR is somehow, somewhat behind these leaks, and IMO this goes with it. 

Don't know what this is. Last I saw a bootleg with that name, it was simply the taped broadcast of Rio '11, but it was a different art.

You're probably right. I guess we just want to see everyone talking about out favorite band  

Only if forum member @Dexter does the vocals.

I'd definetly read an email titled A BUNCH OF NEW GNR LEAKS. And sure, I don't know if he'll read it, and he probably knows it already anyway, and of course he wouldn't ask Slash, that's not the point.

It's just, why not do it? It took me 2 minutes to find his email and another one to write the message. 

Just emailed Trunk. If he didn't know about the leaks, he does now.

So Eddie Trunk doesn't know about the leaks either?

The IRS, Better and TWAT leaks have nothing to do with Catcher and Checkmate leaks.

IRS is a special case, though, because it comes from that Piazza CD. Someone recorded it while it played on Eddie Trunk's show; the person who leaked, Darknemus, did not have the original CD.

I was mistaken in my first post here. The Checkmate clip does not come from this original IRS, bootleged from Trunk's air of Piazza's mysterious CD. The Checkmate clip comes from Razz, and these people source's are not the same. Razz, says he got the CD from uptownterry, who claimed to be an old GNR engineer.

There's then the other version of IRS, that came with Better and TWAT, and the original source, wes, simply said he got the songs from a DJ who burned a copy while Axl played it in some club in Las Vegas. This was all leaked only three years later, when wes sent Saint Seya the stuff.

But now that I read that Eddie Trunk post, which I had never read, I see he mentions Axl playing Chinese Democracy at clubs, and it was written in 2003. Hmm. How had I never noticed this?

Well, I don't know what to say. I'm thinking...

EDIT: Wait a minute, I'm a mistaken or we don't have a clear source for the CITR leak? This is all Darknemus had to say when I asked him:

"I am not a fan of taking credit for CITR, actually. You can say that I was 'involved' in it, but not directly responsible. For CITR I was given the file. Not over the phone or anything like that, I was given to me by someone that I can't name. But it was in a very tight knit circle of others before that. People who sent me had the tape but I have no idea where the tape came from. They digitalized and sent me"

It's not from the Stripclub CD, and it's not from the Checkmate CD Razz received. I mean, it could be on the Stripclub CD, but Darknemus says he received it separately. Actually, the only reason TWAT leaked is because Darnkemus tricked Saint Seya, trading CITR for TWAT and then leaking both on the same week.

I mean, this is the story...

It could still be any one, but this is a good question. It doesn't have to be someone close to him, because any executive possibly mad at him could also easily know what is some famous baseball player's favorite rock band. But yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot too. Supposedly that IRS came from the same CD where the Checkmate clip was pulled from, yes. But remains the question, what CD is that? One of those 20, then? Maybe not. Probably not?

I mean, none of those CDs were submitted to Geffen, I suppose, they were, as they it's written, Rough mixes, internal studio use. I''m guessing the Piazza CD is from either higher grounds, or closer grounds to Axl. They are probably not the same source - Checkmate and Hardschool. That's my guess.

You're right. Now that I think of it, the only 'confirmation' was Walker himself saying on MSL's discord that this was, indeed, Fernando.

Damn.

I gotta say, though, his rant at the poor fella who complained about the stupid toy trucks seemed genuine, but I guess any old GNR fan can by now do a passable impression of angry Axl.

Still, there are also enough pictures of Rick at GNR's backstage. Even pictures with Beta. It doesn't add up.

http://www.reddit.com/r/GunsNRoses/comments/ct9nj9/new_merch_finally_came_in_cant_wait_to_seethem_in/exv5xa2/

jujuhounds is Walker; flebeis is Fernando.

Loving the Baba O'Riley intro.

2 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I hear Zeppelin, a touch of Jane's Addiction and a touch of Crowes (circa Three Snakes) in it. 

Don't know the Crows, but yes, a little bit of Jane's Addiction. Having some Blind Melon vibes.

I'm loving it! Sounds like Led Zeppelin.

1 hour ago, saint_seiya said:

expect more soon

How are you still involved? 😂 10+ years gone... 

1 hour ago, gnfnrs1972 said:

How's that Two and a Half Men reboot coming along? I've always pictured you as the real Charlie Sheen.

Pictured? I thought everybody knew wasted is Charlie Sheen. 

26 minutes ago, fernomenoyde said:

Bumblefoot tapes were stereo, just checked. Oh My God was different indeed, so it has to be older. I mean, like 2000.

Yes, they were, but I more inclined to believe these were remastered/remixed/whatever, a job a hundred different guys on this forum could do at least half-decently, rather than these being from around 2000. Where would those even come from?

And it even sounds like Bumblefoot here.