classicrawker

Saw them with Govt Mule.....prefer their more rock oriented songs but their country flavored stuff is damn good

Playing some blues  here with the the Rev'd

And with the Mule

Is this country?

Kicks the hell out of modern country IMHO.........

Rolling Stones  "Some Girls Live in Texas" on vinyl.............love the 1978 tour as they stri back to basics............

One of my favorite current bands Live from 1995

they do amazing covers and this one of Humble Pie 30 days with  Ex Black Crowes guitarist is epic...from 1999 though

Another forgotten jem 

and another

1992 but they were the supposed to be the next Nirvana

this is from 2001 but still  a great album

9 hours ago, Fashionista said:

I find the Jones era (before the 67 psychedelic phase) to be more raw and more bluesy than the Taylor era. Like, they didn't cut songs as raw or as unchained or as truly bluesy as Heart of Stone or I Wanna Be Your Man with Taylor or as unpleasant and cruel as Stupid Girl and Under My Thumb or as dark as Mother's Little Helper. They had Sister Morphine but that song dated back to the sessions of Spring 1969 when Ry Cooder was playing with them before Taylor joined. They had more of a garage band, almost pro-punk vibe on songs like 19th Nervous Breakdown and Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, as well - especially with the cover of the single being the band dressed in drag. They became less of a blues band and more of a rock group in the Taylor year. The live shows with Taylor were better, and the music was more accessible, but the band lacked a certain danger. I have read that there were literal riots during the Jones era shows. 

The Jones Era music was more simplistic with the songs shorter  as they were under pressure to spit out a hit single every other month....They played 30 minutes sets in front of screaming teenagers and there were riots so they would be lucky to get their 30 minutes sets in before they had to flee for their lives......Not sure they were ever really a straight blues band with Jones as they were more R&B IMHO...

Starting with the 1969 US tour the songs became more complex, SFTD, Midnight Rambler etc. as they were transitioning from a singles band to a more album oriented band.  The advent of  AOR Freeform FM stations in the late 60's, like WNEW in New York,  helped to change the music scene as well with hit singles being less important and bands started writing longer more complex songs with LP's becoming the favored medium of music lovers......

While there were fan incidents outside the Arenas in 1969 this was more related to fans not being able to get tickets then the teenage fan frenzy of the past.  The Stones were now playing 70 minute sets  and  American audience that was actually listening to the music....

There is a great  coffee table picture book about the 1969 tour by photographer Ethan Russell where Bill Wyman comments about how the fans on the 1969 tour had changed and were listening to the music so the Stones now had to be on top of their game.........

Latest Stones 1969 tour bootleg LP Baltimore 11/26/69...........you can hear "Love in Vain" from this show on the official Live "Get Yer Ya Ya's Out" album.  Typical for the 70's/ 80's boot LP's it has a plain white jacket with a separate printed title sheet. Seller claims this was only played once after buying and it does need a cleaning but does look to be in NM/Mint condition

https://www.dbboots.com/bootlegs.php?op=showcont&cmd=show&bootkey=1853

I have all the available 1969 concerts on silver CD and most are actually fairly decent sounding for the technology back then..........only need one more bootleg LP from the Stones 69 tour from the 11/8/69 L.A. Forum second show...from what I understand this is a rare one so will be $$$  if and when I finally find one...

https://www.dbboots.com/bootlegs.php?op=showcont&cmd=show&bootkey=2413

"Love in Vain" from "Get Yer Ya Ya's Out" Baltimore no overdubs

Would be a damn shame if Gibson ends up just being a brand name for some Far East Company spitting out cheap guitars but would be surprised if somebody did not end up buying the assets if it were to go insolvent and possibly shrinking the company.........The brand name is very valuable so hopefully it stays American with new ownership who have a passion for making fine instruments.........

I have a 2000 Les Paul Raw Power Natural finish  I bought used  about 10 years ago and love that guitar but there are some minor finishing issues I noticed, like the inlay of the binding on the neck, that don't effect play-ability and you would never notice unless you were looking for them but you should never see that kind of shoddy workmanship on a $2-3K guitar

28 minutes ago, bucketfoot said:

I don't. That's what the generally was there for. The atheists I know came to their own conclusions.

This is my experience as well. I have two examples in my own family. I was raised Catholic but it was not reinforced by my parents. When I was 16 they allowed me to make my own decision to no longer attend church. We never discussed religion in my house so I was not influenced to be an religious or atheist  as I came to this conclusion on my own.

I also have a brother whose wife came from a very Catholic family. She and her siblings were raised strict Catholic, went to Catholic school and her father was very active in the church. All of my brother children went to Catholic school and one of his daughters is now married and recently had a baby girl. Her and her Husband decided they were not going to get their daughter baptized so they made a decision to break from the Catholic doctrine.......they decided what they were taught was BS and chose not to follow it.

47 minutes ago, EvanG said:

I wasn't referring to just you... that's why I edited your post and only left the ''brainwash'' part, because that made me think of the fact that I often notice how religious people are seen as a bit 'kooky' just because of their beliefs. You're right, it can have a serious influence, and not for the better, but if you teach your kids to be good and respectful and you use religion as an example, then I don't have a problem with it and I don't understand why those religious people are seen as ''crazy'' by a lot of atheists. But I get your point.

Sure but I was referring to my personal experience being raised catholic so I lived what I wrote. I was raised Catholic and went to classes on the Catholic doctrine taught by Nuns. I used to ask a lot of questions challenging some of the teaching and they used to get pissed off and I was basically told to shut up and accept what they were teaching....We were basically fed the Catholic dogma as young children and expected to accept it without question. Sorry if this sounds harsh but   that is a form of brainwashing IMHO...there is no room for thought or going against the churches teachings.

I have also attended mass with my family at the local Catholic church where the priest at the time made comments about the evils of being gay... Imagine the impact this can have on a young child's developing values when reinforced by their parents so sorry this is brainwashing in my book...........

 My objection to your post is you were using my words as an example which implied  that I think all religious people are crazy or intolerant which I have never said on this forum but in fact have supported others rights to believe as long as they don't try to impose their beliefs on others.............

23 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Why is it that most atheists always consider religious people as crazy or brainwashed? I'm not religious myself but I don't see anything wrong with it. If you live a good and happy life because of your religion then great... personally I don't think you need a religion to live a good and happy life, but if it helps you, all the power to you. Of course there are religious freaks who take it way too far, but most people aren't like that.

 

 

I never said it makes people crazy or said there was anything wrong with being religious but I do feel that if you preach religion to someone from birth  it will have a serious influence on their beliefs and behaviour...........Also please read my previous posts where I stated I respect peoples right to believe and I have also commented to Mikey that it looks like religion has had a positive effect on his life which is awesome so please read someones complete posts before you judge.............

1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

And not to be a western nerd or anything but its Marshall Matt Dillion!

You are right Lenny! it has been a long time since I have seen that show...................as a young lad I also think I had a strange attraction to Miss Kitty............must have been that smoky whisky voice of hers.......I  sure that has to be worth a few Hail Mary's as penance for my thoughts................

I was forced to go through the Catholic indoctrination, classes on Saturday for my confirmation etc.,  when young and forced to attend church every weekend. Where I lucked out was my parents were not religious so they did not go to church with me and never talked religion at home so the brainwashing never really took hold...It did not help my standing in the church when I picked Matthew as my confirmation name because it was the name of my favorite TV character Sheriff Matt Dillon from the show Gunsmoke...........

I hated going to church and used to ditch out  every Sunday in my early teens after being dropped off and finally convinced my parents it was a waste of mine and their time to drive me to church when I was 16....

By that time I guess I was becoming an agnostic  as I was asking questions about the bible and the church's teaching the faithful could not defend and answer..........By the time I reached my 20's I finally gave up all doubt and came to the conclusion that it was all bollocks and have been a full blown silent atheist since then....... I respect peoples right to believe so I try my best to not discuss religion with those who do as it just seems to frustrate and piss them off when they can't defend their faith..........

Tower Records founder Russ Solomon, 92, died last night while watching the Oscars.....many of my old LPs were  purchased at Tower......RIP Russ

4 hours ago, Daedalus said:

I would say they are my favorite band too. I do think their Mick Taylor era produced some of the greatest songs ever... unfortnunately too young to see them in the 70's, but I saw them with Mick Taylor on stage in 2014, and they still are a totally different band with him.

They surely are a nostalgia act for too many years now, but hey, they are the Stones. They've achieved everything, so nobody expects a new grounbraking album from them. I like (most of) their post 1994 stuff... the sound on Blue & Lonesome is outstanding imo; but even if they continue to tour with the same old 20-songs-setlist-of-greatest-hits, I'm fine with that.

But if I would have to choose a favorite era, I would say the Brian Jones one. Just listen to "No Expectations"... one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever - in all its simplicity. But on the other hand, the same is "Love in Vain" with Mick Taylor playing it live.

I am with you mate in that I don't expect brilliant  new music from them at this point......personally I would prefer they release more old archive live material like a complete 1969 live concert..........

But if you go to the Stones forums, like IORR, I think you will find the hardcore fans still expect them to have at least one more stellar album left in them.....and are always bitching about the stale setlist.......

Newest addition to my Rolling Stones Bootleg LP collection.......This is a single LP partial setlist from the November 24th, 1969 Detroit  concert missing 5 songs.  There was a 2LP  complete concert version on the boot label Bash records which  I recently bid for on eBay but it got up to  $140.00 which was too rich for my blood.

Some feel  this concert was where the Stones finally clicked on that 1969 tour and is allegedly one of the best concerts of the tour. I have the complete concert on CD and it is a smoking performance IMHO.....the audio quality on the CD version is VG for the period and this LP looks to be in NM condition but I won't know until I give it a good cleaning and a listen.

https://www.dbboots.com/bootlegs.php?op=showcont&cmd=show&bootkey=1838

Mine is  the yellow label original pressing

Just found this SB snippet from the 1969 Detroit show...it is from a local TV station video which is supposed to be 40+ minutes long 

short snippet of video

On 3/3/2018 at 7:56 AM, DieselDaisy said:

I have too many Mick Taylor boots. Those are pure gold. Perfection. 

Yeah  I agree with you  the Taylor era was brilliant and my favorite as well  but the Jones and Wood eras also have their merits I think.........Jones was a brilliant multi instrumentalist who added so much textrue to those 60's albums and I especially think  Ronnie Wood does not gets credit he deserves...he may not be a talented as Taylor but his 70's contributions are stellar none the less..........I think it is less obvious as he meshes with Keef so well you can't tell who is playing what at times ............

As Keef would say "The ancient art of weaving"..........two guitars play as one...............

Good stuff Fashion, I think you are spot on that they had begun the transition from pop group to serious rock band on the 67 tour in their song writing and the playing is much more mature...they are changing the way they play the old hits and stretching out a bit as they did in 69....

they even had a few concerts, Paris and Milan, where the fans were more attentive to the music but you can still hear the screaming girls in the Paris clip you provided and, from accounts I have read, there were still frenzied young fans trying to overwhelm the stage on the 67 tour on many of the dates. They were also still playing basically 30 minutes sets on that tour the same as past tours.......

http://rockontour.net/bj67.html

By 1967 Brian had been already been marginalized, by Mick and Keef, and was starting his downward death spiral at the point.....as sad as it was he had to go as he was not contributing much to the music due to his mental state and inability to write music..........JMO a talent like Taylor was needed for the band to produce the golden era albums......Mick Taylor brought a new energy to the band and really allowed them to stretch out live and added a new dimension of complexity to their recorded stuff during his time in the band.... As talented as he was as a musician, I am not sure Brian could have provided the same mojo Taylor did on the Golden Era albums......I also agree with you that Taylor was not a good long term fit for the Stones but he served his purpose helping them mature to the next level.

As far as Taylor leaving the band, he is constantly being asked about this and the answers he always gives is the bordom of waiting for Sir Mick and Keef to get together to make new music, was bored with the music in general, and his getting into hard drugs while in the band...I think he also complained about not getting writing credits and felt the music was too contricting.......

https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/658838/Rolling-Stones-forgotten-Mick-Taylor-odds-world-best-known-rock-band

https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/19154/rolling-stones-mick-taylor-go

http://www.micktaylor.net/why_mick_taylor_quit_the_stones.html

1969, for me at least, was the first tour where the crowd really listened to the music at every concert and the Stones were forced to play an extended setlist out to a whopping 70 minutes........I love the pacing of the songs on that tour and while I enjoy all the Taylor era concerts I have on bootleg I was not a fan of the faster pacing on many of the songs, like SFTD and MR, during the 72/73 tours......Also think the concerts became less about the music and more about the fashion and being stars in 72/73......

I also believe Ronnie Woods saved the Stones and without him there would not have been a band coming out of the 70's..........he is the perfect unselfish  foil for Keef and he was, and still is IMHO, the mediator in the band between Mick and Keef......he is the control rod for the nuclear Jagger/ Richards relationship..............

  The majority of the Stones concerts I attended are post 1989 and, while I enjoyed everyone of them, they had become a legacy band  for me at that point, playing the old songs by the numbers, big Vegas style productions, and bloated band wih backup singers and horns, and have  really never made great music again...........

I am  huge Stones fan and at this point can safety say they are my favorite band........I was too young to see it but IMHO the 1969 tour was the band at it's peak.  They had not really toured for several years had not toured the US since 1966.  Mick Taylor introduced fresh blood into the band and this was the first tour where the fans actually listened to the music instead of it being a group of screaming young kids. For me it was the tour where they graduated from pop stars, doing 20 -30 minute sets where no one listened to the music, to a proper Rock band doing a real concert.  I think this was the last tour of innocence for the band before they became the rock legends with all the famous  backstage beggars and hangers on that comes when a band becomes huge. 

I mainly listen to live stuff these days so I would say "Get Yer Ya Ya's Out" is my favorite Stones album but mostly listen to live Stones bootlegs as they are actually better then the official live stuff IMHO. although the vault releases have been getting better...

For the studio albums, while the Beggars to Exile albums are justifiably legendary, I actually rather enjoy the early Brian Jones era albums and listen to them on vinyl often......I think their last great album Tattoo You........everything after that had some moments of brilliance but was not at the same level as the 60's/70's/ early 80's material.

I have seen them over 2 dozen time starting with my first show at MSG, NYC in 1975 and have seen at least one concert in every tour since then. I would say that 1975 show is my favorite but the 1978 tour show was excellent as well.  I found the 1989 show to be a little stiff but the  1994 Voodoo Lounge shows were excellent and personally  think the last top notch shows I saw was during the 1997-1999 BtB/ No Security tour as Keef was still on top of his game...I could see his ability to play slowly slipping every tour after that to the point now where he really struggles to play anything but simple cords. When he has good nights he can still give you a good performance, like the 2013 Glastonbury Festival show, but those types of performances are few and far between these days I think.....

I would still go see them if they tour the US again but only if I could get cheap tickets, like the Lucky Dip tickets they offered for recent tours, as I can't see paying top dollar for who they are now........it is sad to see but all my old music heroes from the 60, and 70's are slowly dying off..........

2 hours ago, Fitha_whiskey said:

Wow that was a fuckin bomb... I read the other day that the yankees have sold 600,000 more home tickets than at the same point last year!!! Because you’re gonna see shit like that almost nightly.

Imagine a 2- 5 batting order of Judge, Stanton, Sanchez and Bird with each having the potential of hitting 40+ hr's

With the average ticket price for a Yankee game at $101 and  change, They have already more than paid for Stanton's salary.....if he hits anywhere near  like he did last year he is going to love playing in N.Y. with 40K screaming fans  every game and the bleachers creatures calling his name.....