auad

slash

Possibility: 0%

bucket.

Possibility: -100%

i don't think so

bucket.

The single biggest problem with chinese democracy is the amount of layers on the songs like a time warp back to the 90s. Faster, heavier, raw solos where they feel fit should be heard in near future, and a fun album instead of production overhaul should be made but i have doubts until i hear something fresh so i can distinguish the songs from any of the ones before it. I'm not talking about blood in the water.. Have at least three decent music videos, lose all the cowboy gear, keep the jewlery and wear band shirts like a music fan, tell corporate pricks to go fuck themselves. There is no way this wouldn`t be successful or at least garner the attention of people thinking he`s an out of touch musician.

100%. My dream is for someone to do a CD remix and just remove some 1 or 2 layers of production. I get that they tried to make all of that noise sound focused, but there's a lot of intricately laid out music going on beneath the surface that people miss. "Prostitute" being a great example.

It's, in truth, the only real, objective problem I have with the album.

listen to this version of chinese

http://www.4shared.com/folder/SRlknXms/_online.html

I used google translator...

After the explosion of Guns n 'Roses in the late 80s, a period of music where the guitar had become pasteurized due to the extensive use of effects, Slash drew the attention of the public and the media for bringing back a classic style based on the great guitar heroes of the 70's was the old combination of Gibson Les Paul and Marshall.

But what makes this story interesting is that the guitar made ​​famous with Slash was not a Gibson! You could argue that in the early clips we undoubtedly the Gibson logo on the headstock of the guitar, and you are right about that. But this logo is there because the guitar is a replica that precisely follows the standards of the Gibson Les Paul.

Recording Appetite

Alan Niven

Currently available on the internet and in magazines dozens of subjects (mostly in English) of the former members of Guns n 'Roses in which any subject related to Appetite is discussed. And the story is told by Alan Nieven and Slash (Guns producer at the time of the recording of Appetite) is very similar.

In the period when the band was recording, the members of Guns n 'Roses were sunk to the head at parties, festivals, women, drugs and partying. And in one of them the band would have destroyed his apartment, having a loss of approximately $ 20,000. Adding this to the fact that heroin be quite expensive, we are about to record what would become one of the most important albums in the history of "recent" rock and without a good guitar Slash. Due to addiction to drugs he had sold his best guitar, a Les Paul, with only Jackson with a cheap Strat, which he said she sounded really bad, one BC Rich Mockingbird.

Slash with BC Rich Guitar

Slash says is that you do not know the actual sound of a guitar to start recording with it. Yes, that's right, he believed that the sound of this guitar was good, but when they started the recordings, saw I was in trouble. Both Mockingbird as Jackson were not causing him to get that sound that had already achieved in other times using a Les Paul. I'm referring mainly to the sound of the guitar solo. At this time Slash had already broken a Les Paul and had become obsessed with getting that sound again.

Jackson Guitar

Alan Niven also says that the strings of Jackson were rotten, he said to the guitarist "Slash, your strings are dead." Slash was then exchange the ropes and removed all at once, causing empenasse arm. According to Niven, "a tune that guitar was never the same."

Coincidentally my first guitar was also a Jackson, in my case, a Jackson Dinky. These guitars are really cool, and I got mine today. But the tone is totally different from the Les Paul, I think that Slash wanted a specific sound of Les Paul and a little hair over the medium to longer appears on guitar final mix. But let's stop the story at this point and return to it later.

Kris Derrig

Kris Derrig was an excellent North American Luthier, sadly now deceased. The guy died young, in 1987, with only 33 years, and many say his death was the result of hours building guitars without any protection against the chemicals used in the construction and finishing of the material.

Kris was a very focused, passionate about cars, and The Allman Brothers guitars guy, besides being a hairdresser. The nearest tell that when he was interested in something, he was very intense, reaching halfway be narrow-minded, obsessed, etc ... Well, I can say I know this guy ...

This fascination and obsession with guitars was what enabled him to achieve a level of excellence in the construction of the instrument. And such quality caught the attention of Jim Foote, a dealer in instruments.

Kris met Jim Foote at 83, when he tried to sell a guitar on which he had redone the finish. Impressed, Jim Kris hired to work on finalizing guitars in Redondo Shop (California). At 86, Jim Foot and Kris Derrig got the wood used for manufacturing various guitars, the Les Paul included that would be Slash. Before ending up in the hands of Slash on 22/12/1986, this guitar was about 6 months stop in the store.

Kris made ​​this guitar to raise more funds it would use to customize one of their cars.

Returning to Slash and Alan Niven ...

Then decided to find a good guitar to Slash recording the album, Niven contact Jim Foote, of Redondo Shop. Needless to say, the Les Paul replica by Derrig made ​​going into the hands of Slash. Jim Foot agrees to let Alan Niven lead guitar to Slash playing and the next day he is photographed using the guitar in Cat House, an EP release show Live Like a Suicide.

This guitar has translated into sound what Slash sought and arrived in time to be used for the recordings of the hard soil, the foundations had already been recorded, according to the guitarist, it was used in all soils in Appetite for Destruction album.

A guitar made by Derrig is a burst, replica Gibson Les Paul 59, but with Seymour Duncan Alnico II Pro and the arm similar to the Gibson 58, a little thicker, which some say gives a special sound to the guitar.

The pickups were a suggestion from Jim Foote; apparently these were his favorites, and it's amazing how it was important to support the tone of Slash definitely.

What is Slash did not imagine that the sound recorded on the Appetite for Destruction became iconic and there could never be replicated, even by him on other disks (we will discuss this further in other posts).

The combination of features of the replica made ​​by Derrig added the use of a pickup that did not come from the factory with the original resulted in a particular timbre and that became a reference.

The death of Kris Derrig made ​​this guitar even more valuable because it is believed that he made only 24 Les Pauls throughout his life. And believe me, they're worth a lot of money and there are many collectors interested.

The Slash himself bought another Les Paul made ​​by Derrig, in 1996, Jim Foote.

A replica of the replica

Recently launched a replica Gibson Guitar Slash. Many criticize for being the replica of the replica, but I believe it is a special instrument, with unique and that was totally based on the Gibson, which is nonetheless a tribute to the brand characteristics. Because of this I think applies to this initiative launch. The version comes with the Gibson Slash Signature pickups made ​​by Seymour Duncan and based on caps guitar Derrig.

Seymour Duncan says the new Slash pickups were created to give more output, leaving the more aggressive sound, like the sound of Appetite for Destruction. Honestly I do not have a very clear opinion about these pickups (not the Signature nor the Alnico Pro II guitar made ​​by Derrig) because I never played with any of them, but I was interested.

Max Baranet and Slash

Slash said in interviews that got the Derrig Les Paul on the last day of sessions at Rumbo Studios; after this stage the band went to the Take One complete recordings. When they arrived at Take One bases had already been made, and Slash used the Derrig for soils. In this case, what guitar Slash used purchases bases? The Jackson, the B.C. Rich or someone else?

It is known that Slash got another replica in the same season, and many believe it was used on the album. The other is a burst of Slash's Max Baranet, which makes beautiful guitars that cost MUCH today. Max prizes by performing faithful copies of the original 59 Les Paul, often using original pieces from the era Gibsons.

People who worked in the music stores of the era narrate an interesting fact: Slash would have gone to the store to order a guitar and Max "urgently" because it would start recording their first album and have not had the "ideal" guitar. It was then that Max would have offered him his own personal guitar, which he himself had built. "Witnesses" report seeing Slash leaving the store with the case at hand.

Below are the three replicas from left to right Slash Slash's Derrig Replica # 4 in 1959 purchased from Jim Foote in 1996/9 0607 Les Paul Derrig recording of Appetite / Max 1960 LP Replica 0 -94XX

Final Thoughts on the replica Derrig

To conclude I just want to say that this guitar is not as revered by just being a great guitar. Furthermore it is almost exclusive, its features were marked as the "sound Slash", and a good part of the "sound Guns n 'Roses". Seen from this perspective it is easier to understand the status of the guitar legend who has acquired over the years.

And as I had mentioned, the recording of this album is a long subject, I ask this so that await the next parts where I want to focus more stories, equipment and etc. who did the striking sound of this disc.

Howie's SG: We've talked to Les Pauls, Jackson, BC Rich, and now I will talk about the Gibson SG Howie, the guy that supplied equipment for the Guns before the fame. All I can say is that he gave a beautiful Gibson SG for use in recordings Slash, Slash used on My Michelle by the guitar had a "dark" sound. Personally I think it has everything to do with the introduction of My Michelle, and just look what happened to the guitar Howie:

SG Howie on glass pick-up in the background

Huntersburst

After this long story, I want to go back there at the beginning to tell a fact that may have gone unnoticed by most. Remember when I said that Slash had sold his guitar to better support his drug habit?

See below:

Slash and Pamela Manning - April 5, 1986 - The Whiskey

Taking the distractions of the photo, we can notice that the guitar Slash owned. The records that exist in this guitar are mostly photos and videos made by Marc Canter and demos of Appetite for Destruction, recorded at Sound of City, dated June 4, 1986.

This guitar was "missing" and was rediscovered by a guy named Scott Sheldon (author of the website "official" Kris Derig). It is exposed at Rock n 'Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland Ohio. Practically the same conditions that we see in the photos with Slash. It is a Les Paul style with thick arm of the Gibson 58 equipped with Seymour Duncans JB. See what Slash says in his book about this guitar:

"(...) I was playing a new guitar: it was a guitar that belonged to blues guitarist Steve Hunter 70s I had changed my BC Rich for her in Albert and Howie Huberman store, Guitar That R Us.. shop was a real institution for any musician from Los Angeles unable to buy the Guitar Center, it was the musicians of Flea's where I got rid of all my stuff and got new equipment or when the money ran out, which was sold my equipment.. to get money to buy more drugs. "

Approximately 10 months after Slash, in need of money to know what sold the guitar. This guitar is important, because it was she who "awakened" the interest of Slash on Les Pauls. It was with her that Slash got first a characteristic timbre he would later immortalize.

The initial demos were made Appetite with this guitar. The great mystery that is wrapped in this story is who built it. Some say they have been Baranet Max and others claim to have been Kris Derrig - I will not get into that discussion because it is too long and has no definitive answer. But I continue researching the topic, if someday some irrefutable fact arise certainly update this article.

To recap:

Jackson superstrat: This guitar was bought in the early 80s, well before Slash define your musical style. When Slash found himself without many options for use in concerts and recordings (Slash had sold his guitar to better support the drug habit), he "rescued" this guitar the bottom of the trunk. It is known that he took her to the Studio, but the guitar was damaged when he was changing the strings, carrying not believe it has been used in the recordings.

Jackson Firebird: There is no photographic record of this guitar, and we only know it exists because Slash mentions this in his book. According to her this guitar had a sound of "shit" and was not used on the album recordings.

Hunter Burst guitar that supposedly belonged to Steve Hunter. It was a Les Paul like the Gibson 58 Many believe is a guitar made by Max Baranet, some believe to have been made ​​by Kris Derrig, and others believe it may even be an original Gibson. The truth is that nobody knows for sure. This guitar certainly was not used to burning the disc because it was sold before the start of recording process. His importance was to serve as a landmark, and awaken the taste of Slash Les Pauls for.

9 Derrig 0607 Les Paul: the Holy Grail of Slash, this guitar was used in all soils than it does in Appetite. Slash was half desperate when Alan Nieven brought this guitar because it had not yet reached the timbre considered ideal for solo guitar. This replica has the specifications of the Les Paul 58 arm, but is equipped with Seymour Duncan Alnico II Pro. The passion was immediate and even today is the Main guitar used on all recordings made by Slash.

Derrig Replica # 4 1959: Nearly 10 years after the recording of Appetite Slash gets more of a replica Les Paul made ​​by Kris Derrig. Certainly was not used on the disc.

Max 1960 LP Replica 0 -94XX: Guitar Slash possibly bought Max for the recording of Appetite, I believe this guitar was used for all recordings of bases, because when these recordings were made Slash still had not managed to Les Paul Derrig. It is a replica of the 1960 Les Paul (thinner arm) High quality.

Howie SG: This guitar was courtesy of Howie, who was the guy who could pro Guns instruments before the fame. Slash used on My Michelle by having a more "dark" tone.

BC Rich Warlock: Another guitar early 80s, was the main guitar in the early Slash of Guns n 'Roses, Slash states have changed this guitar for Les Paul Guitar Hunterburst la R Us in Los Angeles. This guitar MAY have been used in recordings of the disc, as approx. One years after changing the HunterBurst by Warlock Slash reappears in shows with Warlock, he probably went back to the store and picked up the guitar back and left the Les Paul with Howie, thus recovering the money to use drugs. But I find it hard that this guitar is in the final recordings of the album as Slash had the willingness to Les Paul Max purchases bases and then the Les Paul Derrig pros soils, but can not be disregarded.

http://vamosfalardeguitarra.blogspot.com.br/2014/04/como-eles-conseguiram-aquele-som.html

Question from a non-musician about achieving/replicating a certain guitar sound, for example the AFD sound/tone which is the topic being discussed... Not being a musician, I obviously don't really understand all the different aspects that go into producing a particular sound. I get that different styles/brands of guitars with different woods, setups, strings, pickups, etc. played through different amps and with various effects and production techniques can achieve a wide variety of different sounds. But what I don't get is why when the desired tone/sound of a guitar is achieved on an album why is it sometimes so elusive and hard to replicate that same sound on subsequent albums? For example, if Slash had desired to replicate the AFD sound/tone on the UYI albums wouldn't it have been fairly easy to do if he simply used the same guitar/amp setup (or at least one very similar)/effects/production techniques, etc. Like I said...I'm not a musician...but I do know what my ears like...and to me the sound/tone of the guitars on AFD is vastly superior to what I hear on the UYI albums. Imagine what "You Could Be Mine" and some of those other tracks would have sounded like with that mean AFD tone...was Slash intentionally trying to move in a different direction with his sound/tone or was he just not able to replicate that AFD tone?

As I said, it was a 'modified' amp he was using from SIR. Every guitarist wanted this amp on the cheese rock circuit. It sounded, wonderful. Instruments and amps are like that; sometimes you just get one which sounds wonderful. But, as I said, this one had been modified. Slash's rental had expired so Slash tried to pull a fast one by faking a theft but SIR were not buying any of it and reclaimed the amp from GN'R's rehearsal space whenthe band was absent (probably off doing drugs).

So sadly he did not have this amp for UYI!

Seems like he probably made enough $ off of AFD to go back and purchase that same amp or have another one "modified" to the same specs?

But, yeah...I get what you are saying...

Do we know if any other well-known guitarists used that same amp on other albums...would be interesting to hear.

It went, ehh, missing. Nobody knows where it is.

It is a bit technical but, here, these are the articles you need to read...

http://www.slashsworld.com/equipment/amps/the-appetite-amp-story/

Shit man,,, I mean, fuck! those articles were so fun to read. Thanks a lot for posting these. Great.

I guess the story had kinda of a happy ending since Slash, years later, the AFD 100 was released. Maybe not quite as good as the real Appetite amp, but it's one of the best Marshall amps in years imo, and comes very close to Slash's Apettite sound.

you're welcome bro!

Shut up.

?

I thought you were mocking me.

Sorry about that.

Ok bro.

Hugs.

VR without Scott is just like Gn'R without Axl - it won't work. Period.

exactly.

OKAY NEVERMIND is a classic Axlism though

Okay, but question to Auad: why do you do it ? Are you always angry about something when you do that ? Genuine question, I've often wondered why.

Hi bro. I do it just to put a little fun in the topics. but since most find offensive, will not do more.

What some fans of Guns do not know is that Axl live with a Brazilian family for over 20 years! Anyone who watched the show at Rock in Rio 3 in 2001, which saw Axl called to the stage a woman, this woman is Beta Lebeis.

Beta worked for Stephanie Seymour, babysit Dylan, son of the model. When Axl and Stephanie finished, Axl called Beta to work with him. In this regard, she said: "When she moved to New York, he called me to work for him. It was not difficult to decide to work with him. We had an amazing friendship, is the person I trust. Stephanie is different. He values ​​me more than her, "So much so, that Beta became the person who helps the singer at all". I am his personal secretary. I like the house, organize everything, coordinate employees, "summarized Beta.

Beta is Lebeis Santos-SP, has three children: Fernando, Vanessa and Alexander (also cited by Axl during the Rock in Rio 3).

http://whiplash.net/materias/curiosidades/207987-gunsnroses.html

Question from a non-musician about achieving/replicating a certain guitar sound, for example the AFD sound/tone which is the topic being discussed... Not being a musician, I obviously don't really understand all the different aspects that go into producing a particular sound. I get that different styles/brands of guitars with different woods, setups, strings, pickups, etc. played through different amps and with various effects and production techniques can achieve a wide variety of different sounds. But what I don't get is why when the desired tone/sound of a guitar is achieved on an album why is it sometimes so elusive and hard to replicate that same sound on subsequent albums? For example, if Slash had desired to replicate the AFD sound/tone on the UYI albums wouldn't it have been fairly easy to do if he simply used the same guitar/amp setup (or at least one very similar)/effects/production techniques, etc. Like I said...I'm not a musician...but I do know what my ears like...and to me the sound/tone of the guitars on AFD is vastly superior to what I hear on the UYI albums. Imagine what "You Could Be Mine" and some of those other tracks would have sounded like with that mean AFD tone...was Slash intentionally trying to move in a different direction with his sound/tone or was he just not able to replicate that AFD tone?

As I said, it was a 'modified' amp he was using from SIR. Every guitarist wanted this amp on the cheese rock circuit. It sounded, wonderful. Instruments and amps are like that; sometimes you just get one which sounds wonderful. But, as I said, this one had been modified. Slash's rental had expired so Slash tried to pull a fast one by faking a theft but SIR were not buying any of it and reclaimed the amp from GN'R's rehearsal space whenthe band was absent (probably off doing drugs).

So sadly he did not have this amp for UYI!

Seems like he probably made enough $ off of AFD to go back and purchase that same amp or have another one "modified" to the same specs?

But, yeah...I get what you are saying...

Do we know if any other well-known guitarists used that same amp on other albums...would be interesting to hear.

It went, ehh, missing. Nobody knows where it is.

It is a bit technical but, here, these are the articles you need to read...

http://www.slashsworld.com/equipment/amps/the-appetite-amp-story/

Shit man,,, I mean, fuck! those articles were so fun to read. Thanks a lot for posting these. Great.

I guess the story had kinda of a happy ending since Slash, years later, the AFD 100 was released. Maybe not quite as good as the real Appetite amp, but it's one of the best Marshall amps in years imo, and comes very close to Slash's Apettite sound.

you're welcome bro!

Shut up.

?

OK NEVERMIND!

Question from a non-musician about achieving/replicating a certain guitar sound, for example the AFD sound/tone which is the topic being discussed... Not being a musician, I obviously don't really understand all the different aspects that go into producing a particular sound. I get that different styles/brands of guitars with different woods, setups, strings, pickups, etc. played through different amps and with various effects and production techniques can achieve a wide variety of different sounds. But what I don't get is why when the desired tone/sound of a guitar is achieved on an album why is it sometimes so elusive and hard to replicate that same sound on subsequent albums? For example, if Slash had desired to replicate the AFD sound/tone on the UYI albums wouldn't it have been fairly easy to do if he simply used the same guitar/amp setup (or at least one very similar)/effects/production techniques, etc. Like I said...I'm not a musician...but I do know what my ears like...and to me the sound/tone of the guitars on AFD is vastly superior to what I hear on the UYI albums. Imagine what "You Could Be Mine" and some of those other tracks would have sounded like with that mean AFD tone...was Slash intentionally trying to move in a different direction with his sound/tone or was he just not able to replicate that AFD tone?

As I said, it was a 'modified' amp he was using from SIR. Every guitarist wanted this amp on the cheese rock circuit. It sounded, wonderful. Instruments and amps are like that; sometimes you just get one which sounds wonderful. But, as I said, this one had been modified. Slash's rental had expired so Slash tried to pull a fast one by faking a theft but SIR were not buying any of it and reclaimed the amp from GN'R's rehearsal space whenthe band was absent (probably off doing drugs).

So sadly he did not have this amp for UYI!

Seems like he probably made enough $ off of AFD to go back and purchase that same amp or have another one "modified" to the same specs?

But, yeah...I get what you are saying...

Do we know if any other well-known guitarists used that same amp on other albums...would be interesting to hear.

It went, ehh, missing. Nobody knows where it is.

It is a bit technical but, here, these are the articles you need to read...

http://www.slashsworld.com/equipment/amps/the-appetite-amp-story/

Shit man,,, I mean, fuck! those articles were so fun to read. Thanks a lot for posting these. Great.

I guess the story had kinda of a happy ending since Slash, years later, the AFD 100 was released. Maybe not quite as good as the real Appetite amp, but it's one of the best Marshall amps in years imo, and comes very close to Slash's Apettite sound.

you're welcome bro!

OK NEVERMIND!

Where is Axl in the picture?

It don't really matter
Gonna find out for yourself

OK NEVERMIND!

SCOM is my favorite hit.

Jungle, a "hit"?

not sure...

Love how you post rumors as news just to promote your stupid fan club. You guys are hilarious.

the fan club is not "mine," and not even entered the site.

excuse me.

According to some sources from Axl Rose - Fan Club, the producer M1 Events have closed negotiations with GUNS N 'ROSES and is right now the band play on Amazon Arena on 05 November. The sources also informed about a second show in northern Brazil, he held in Belém, Pará on November 7 being.

For now take this information as uncertain as the Guns N 'Roses has not officially confirmed any presentation.

http://www.axlrosefaclube.com/2014/07/guns-n-roses-em-manaus-tudo-certo-na-arena-amazonia/

the best, for me is contraband.

The guitar work is good but it doesn't have an Appetite feel... Someone mentioned the drums, and that's part of it, but CD just isn't a song the AFD line-up would've written. It doesn't translate, unless you re-work the whole song, if you get what I mean. The only song from Chinese that I think could maybe work like that might be I.R.S.

I feel like CD could be turned into a ISE type song to get that appetite feel.

ISE?

I don't get why people make this stuff. Same with the fan-made "remixes". Compete bullcrap. Yes, GnR fucked it up. But that's the way it was released. Deal with it. Today every kid with Adobe Audition is convinced he can do a better job on a professionally mixed album. And with CD, they're probably right. But I still strongly dislike the attitude. Take it the way the artist put it out. End of story.

Perhaps chill out a bit.

They guy isn't auditioning for a spot in GNR. He just enjoys playing guitar and he's sharing his work with us, because we're GNR enthusiasts.

Whatever, it's all good.

this.

I've always said and I say again, that in my opinion this was the most complete guitarist who has been in the band, the greatest loss. This is his latest album. recommend everyone listen. It is very good, and easily found for download.

nice job!

jungle, sweet child, ycbm.