RocknRoller

If Slash knew about this then, as you said, his whole laid back, easy going and forgiving attitude is pretty much torn to shit.

personally, i reached that point long ago.

axl is axl, it is what it is, but at least he comes right out and says it.

slash is always full of PR answers and has told straight up (confirmed my marc canter) lies.

meanwhile marc said about axl, specifically the 'fall to pieces was our song' allegation, "if axl said they worked on it, then they did. axl wouldn't lie about something like that"

that tells you everything you need to know. unfortunately many dont want to acknowledge it.

I tend to give Slash the benefit of the doubt most of the time, but then sometimes I read or hear those snide little comments he makes once in a while against Axl in interviews and I think that's not laid back and easy going. And I remember those Marc Canter comments. Maybe Slash is entitled to every comment he makes, but he's not Saint Slash. There's a bit of bitch in there. But I choose to believe he didn't know about Activision's plan to misrepresent Axl (alledgedly!)

"If Slash knew about this shit......"

No one is an Angel, but I think Slash probably didn't really think it was such a big deal. I mean here's how I see the possible happenings

- Guitar Hero wants GN'R (and therefore Slash) on their game because he's an icon and the songs would be awesome for the game etc...

- They approach Axl/GNR for permission and he says yes as long as it doesn't promote VR records etc...

- Approach Slash, saying they have Axl's permission he says "yeah cool"

- Slash is on the cover of the game and shock horror other songs are available to download

- Axl is pissed that Slash is made out to be the "star" of GNR even though the game is called guitar hero and he is for this game, and finds a way to sue everyone

I'm sure Slash is aware that he would be used in such a way to promote the game, but I doubt he thought it was such a big deal to associated with a song he played the fucking guitar on anyway.

So I know people will try and make slash out to be a massive cunt, but in truth I think he just did it without thinking what Axl's twisted mind would do with it.

Normally I would support Axl in Lawsuits because most of the time I think he has a point, but because this is so pathetic I hope it's laughed out of court and Axl has to pay the expenses.

Maybe it will teach him not to be a spoilt little brat about everything and concentrate on enjoying the band he has now rather than fueling the demented jealously and hatred of former members.

At some point you need to draw a line and accept that history can't be changed in this case. Slash was the guitarist for those AFD songs and always will be. Let it go and move on. This promoted Gun N Roses (tour) just as much as any of slash's projects so it should have been a win-win. If Axl wanted to even it up, he could have given GHIII a new song and include whoever the guitarist was at the time in the game. Do something positive rather than negative.

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Okay, so then why wouldn't Acitvision just say they want to use WTTJ and refuse when Axl indicates that Slash's image could not be associated with it? Why lie?

Thus the basis for the lawsuit, any company found to be in breach of contract opens itself up for litigation, For all practical purposes Activision misrepresented what they intended to do, this is long overdue and should not really come as a surprise to anyone, still waiting for slash to make a statement regarding such.

I wish this could just all stop at some point, but that's completely unrealistic.

You are right, it doesn't actually involve anyone except the Legal teams and their respective clients,but people will continue to needlessly debate over something that doesn't apply to them at all, and throwing out random speculation, inaccuracies and attempt to be insulting for their own satisfaction I suppose,but the thread will probably thrive until somebody goes too far and it gets locked.

A reunion is imminent. Only a matter of time.

It is quite clear that Axl is having serious financial troubles. His spending doesnt match the incoming paychecks, with the ongoing legal bills stacking up.

Its only a matter of time before Axl will need the $$$. Looking at his need for $20million from Activision, it might come sooner than later.

Cheers Axl. I know you are reading this. Lets face it, you could die tomorrow only being remembered as a member of a former top headlining band. Or you could be remembered as a man who put his ego aside to partake in the greatest reunion of all time. Something The Beatles couldnt do.

Slash is waiting for your call....

Can you quote a source that says money is needed,or are you just fueled by your own inaccurate,speculative,

daydreams and desires? I'm waiting for your earthshaking, mind-altering quote that will prove your above post beyond any reasonable question,otherwise

you are just another droning insect flying around and feeding on fecal matter in your brain.

Is this not obvious. The Ax man has been disassociating himself from Slash for so long. Then he gives the game WTTJ with stipulations of not using Slash in association with WTTJ. They flat out lied to him! I'd be fuckin pissed too. Hes no longer in the band! Its actually a very reasonable request. Now if everything was in writing which id assume it was, then they breached. Case closed!

It does damage Axl and GNR if Slash is being perceived to still be in the band for numerous reasons......that should be obvious from this forum. 20 mill worth? Not sure but I hope he wins. You know he asked for Slash not to be associated and if Axl has the right to the GNR name/rights then they fucked him!

Slash is like his ex gf. The whole thing is a divorce. Of course its personal against Slash. Axl believes Slash has been trying to screw him all these years etc etc no one knows what went on. But to say Ax is paranoid or obsessive is ridiculous.

Agreed, nice reasonable,explanatory post,the haters are out en force,but all their little self-righteous,biased

posts aren't that important, and won't have shit to do with the lawsuit They are really quite amusing; you'd think they owned Activision

GN'R staff arrived in Brazil. Probably finishing details with Rock in Rio production.

Cool. Rock in Rio is in lisbon.

Are some people really this ignorant?

You post on this forum, therefore Im going to assume that's a trick question.

Priceless!

Pathetic- how very rock n roll ,killing the celebration of something that was good

Rose claims that Activision fraudulently induced him into allowing them use of Guns N' Roses' 'Welcome To The Jungle' in 'Guitar Hero III', reports Reuters.

The singer's complaint centres around the game's inclusion of a character modelled on his former bandmate Slash. Rose claims that he only allowed the use of 'Welcome To The Jungle' after Activision told him the game wouldn't feature any reference to Slash or his band, Velvet Revolver.

In a lawsuit filed to Los Angeles Superior Court yesterday (November 24), Rose accused Activision of "spinning a web of lies and deception to conceal its true intentions to not only feature Slash and Velvet Revolver prominently in 'Guitar Hero III', but also promote the game by emphasising and reinforcing an association between Slash and Guns N' Roses and the band's song 'Welcome To The Jungle'."

Additionally, he is arguing that he is owed damages as he only licensed the use of song 'Sweet Child O' Mine' for 'Guitar Hero II', but feels it also featured in the online promotion of its sequel.

Rose's lawyer, Skip Miller said: "This lawsuit is about protecting Guns N' Roses and 'Welcome to the Jungle' and is about holding Activision accountable for its misuse of these incredibly valuable assets."

This isn't the first time Rose has clashed with Activision. In December 2008, he accused the company of "low life chicanery" as he believed they'd use his songs without permission.

A date has yet to be set for the case to be heard.

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Why do you deem this as pathetic? If a business was in an agreement with you and blatantly blew off your contract, you would just let it go? That isn't very responsible nor smart.

Axl should sue all the haters on this forum for defamation.

Not worth the time or effort,As important as they like to think they are,They don't really matter in the grand scheme of things

plus, most buy his stuff anyway.

Good Point!

i dont see a problem with slash / jungle / VR DLC, i think this is a case of axl being paranoid and obsessive..

but, if i did have to pick something to go hmmmm about, its the inclusion of a

sticker with the game.

Yes, this along with the fact that Activision went astray

of the contract, This is not a money issue,it's setting a precedent,if Activision was allowed to carry on with this cheap charade and cheat on the terms agreed upon, that would undoubtedly open the door for others to exploit GNR as well, It's a well thought out lawsuit and I'm sure nobody is surprised that the Activision nonsense,that has been previously mentioned is now being sorted out.

not just for others to exploit GnR but also widens the door for music exploitation in general, its not like the music industry isnt corrupt enough already.

and to all those people saying that axl has no right to not want slash involved. why is that your business? legally axl has the say and its not your place to argue is it? are you one of the developers? directors? or producers of GH?

when activision spoke to page and plant about a led zep iteration, they listened to the plans activision had and when they were asked about the multitracks page said 'dont be silly' are you going to slate zep for that?

Axl has some serious hatred for Slash. This lawsuit is about being lied and fucked over by Activision, but still it says alot about Axl.

what does it say? that he doesnt like

"being lied and fucked over by Activision"

or are you inferring something else there?

Good Post,I concur completely

Axl should sue all the haters on this forum for defamation.

Not worth the time or effort,As important as they like to think they are,They don't really matter in the grand scheme of things

Axl, get over it!!. You like it or not, Slash will allways be associated with Guns n' Roses. Nowdays, 2010!! people keep listennig Appetite for Destruction instead of Chinese Democracy. People stills love how to Slash plays GNR songs live, people still wish a reunion!!

We love both, Axl & Slash, at he end of the day, they are Guns n' Roses.

Do not attempt to speak for everyone, I do not want a reunion, and slash is not in Guns N' Roses,it is 2010

things change, deal with it, hate on Activision for making this litigation necessary,not on GNR.

anyone debating the merit, or axl's chances in this case is a fucking mongoloid. lawfirms don't sue companies as powerful as activision on the off chance that they might win, or that their claim just might hold up in court - activision breached the contract and as a result is liable to be sued, since they did breach the contract they will be paying $20 million to our friend Axl.

"hey axl man, so you wanna give that activision lawsuit a shot? its a 50/50 chance we'll win and if we don't you're looking at millions of dollars in legal fees, costly court proceedings that could possibly drag on for years, and if we do lose you might be liable to a counter-suit. so what do ya say, wanna give it a shot? one last hoorah?"

It's a moot point, slash is not being sued,Activision is,and the reason is not for money,it's for thier blatant misuse and contractual obligations that were intentionally misused and abused,what is so difficult to comprehend that this is in no way about money,it's about drawing a line in the sand and standing up for what you believe in, to some people integrity still matters.

If it is not about the money why 20 million. Why not sue for principal and legal fees. Or better yet make a statement now that if the suit is won the money will go to the poor. There are valid arguments on both sides here but come on is all about the money.

No, unfortunately a slap on the wrist would not suffice to quell Activision from further actions like this,so you hit them where it hurts,in the pocketbook,the legal firm knows this and is proceeding with punitive damages because of contract contradictions on Activision's part,which were openly perpetrated, this action doesn't come as a surprise,it was mentioned a while back that it would have to be sorted out.

Why doesn't Axl donate to charity, he could use the help with his image. Oh, that's right, because it is about the money.

Why dont YOU donate to charity? When you do then you canshit on the ones than don't.

And why does mr."donate to charity" feel entitled to tell other people what to do with their money? and how do you know how someone else's money is spent? If you donate to charity you don't go around bragging about it unless you are doing it for all the wrong reasons.

Axl has some serious hatred for Slash. This lawsuit is about being lied and fucked over by Activision, but still it says alot about Axl.

Oh Really? This is a clearcut suit against Activision,slash is not being included in the litigation other than his "image" so you must have information we aren't privvy to,care to share or show a source for this conclusion?

Next thing you know Axl will be suing Slash for wearing the tophat claiming it "is Guns N Roses property".

This is seriously pathetic, even for Axl.

Your glory days are over pal, everybody in the music industry knows it.

Sure,that is why they are selling out venues on tour, and you act like slash invented the damn tophat, look up Marc Bolan and Mr. Peanut

Sounds like you have shit for brains. Get some english lessons pal, then you might actually understand what you read instead of second-guessing and making false assumptions.

Oh my, such a hostile reply,so am I to understand,if I take your post literally that you are in fact speaking for "everyone in the music industry?",I find that highly unlikely,improbable at best,and add Stevie Nicks and Alice Cooper to the list of those that also wore Top Hats before slash "invented" it

And to stay on topic shall I spell it out that Activision is being prosecuted,not slash,in fact maybe Activision lied to slash too,Can't wait to see if he responds to this

i dont see a problem with slash / jungle / VR DLC, i think this is a case of axl being paranoid and obsessive..

but, if i did have to pick something to go hmmmm about, its the inclusion of a

sticker with the game.

Yes, this along with the fact that Activision went astray

of the contract, This is not a money issue,it's setting a precedent,if Activision was allowed to carry on with this cheap charade and cheat on the terms agreed upon, that would undoubtedly open the door for others to exploit GNR as well, It's a well thought out lawsuit and I'm sure nobody is surprised that the Activision nonsense,that has been previously mentioned is now being sorted out.

Next thing you know Axl will be suing Slash for wearing the tophat claiming it "is Guns N Roses property".

This is seriously pathetic, even for Axl.

Your glory days are over pal, everybody in the music industry knows it.

Sure,that is why they are selling out venues on tour, and you act like slash invented the damn tophat, look up Marc Bolan and Mr. Peanut

Who can blame Axl in this case though? I mean, if you guys were rich off your tits; wouldn't you also try to sue left and right? It's a good business to make money.

Especially if your muse is gone

Muse isn't gone they were on the AMAs,Seriously Inspiration can come from a multitude of places it is not limited to one person or situation,creativity is not that limited.

I hate Activision and hope they get screwed bad!

They aren't getting screwed. I'll post a whole thread tomorrow going through items #1 - #85 (this lawsuit doesn't have much substance). I'll explain exactly how Activision can defeat Rose.

I'm sure Activision is holding thier breath waiting for this forum miracle post to solve their problem,wonder how much they will pay you? How exciting!

anyone debating the merit, or axl's chances in this case is a fucking mongoloid. lawfirms don't sue companies as powerful as activision on the off chance that they might win, or that their claim just might hold up in court - activision breached the contract and as a result is liable to be sued, since they did breach the contract they will be paying $20 million to our friend Axl.

"hey axl man, so you wanna give that activision lawsuit a shot? its a 50/50 chance we'll win and if we don't you're looking at millions of dollars in legal fees, costly court proceedings that could possibly drag on for years, and if we do lose you might be liable to a counter-suit. so what do ya say, wanna give it a shot? one last hoorah?"

You call someone stupid and then use a term like mongoloid. Mongoloid is an insentive and outdated term. While some of us are trying to get over the fear of Axl's all powerful law firm why don't you attempt to try and get some social education.

Mongoloid was probably a mistake, the categories are idiot,imbecile and moron,feel free to choose the one that most describes your IQ, and what does it matter if Axl is listed as a client? That is not misleading in any way.

It's sad and shows alot about your mentality that you cannot have a discussion without calling someone names. And for the record I never said anything about Axl being listed as a client anywhere.

No, you may want to brush up those reading skills,I did not call anyone anything,I simply listed the correct categories in IQ deficiencies, The client comment was aimed at another post,I was multitasking

anyone debating the merit, or axl's chances in this case is a fucking mongoloid. lawfirms don't sue companies as powerful as activision on the off chance that they might win, or that their claim just might hold up in court - activision breached the contract and as a result is liable to be sued, since they did breach the contract they will be paying $20 million to our friend Axl.

"hey axl man, so you wanna give that activision lawsuit a shot? its a 50/50 chance we'll win and if we don't you're looking at millions of dollars in legal fees, costly court proceedings that could possibly drag on for years, and if we do lose you might be liable to a counter-suit. so what do ya say, wanna give it a shot? one last hoorah?"

You call someone stupid and then use a term like mongoloid. Mongoloid is an insentive and outdated term. While some of us are trying to get over the fear of Axl's all powerful law firm why don't you attempt to try and get some social education.

Mongoloid was probably a mistake, the categories are idiot,imbecile and moron,feel free to choose the one that most describes your IQ, and what does it matter if Axl is listed as a client? That is not misleading in any way.

It's sad and shows alot about your mentality that you cannot have a discussion without calling someone names. And for the record I never said anything about Axl being listed as a client anywhere.

I did not call anyone any names,I simply listed the correct categories,and the client remark was aimed at another post, was addressing two points with one post.

Cool vid.

But one wonders if Dr.Pepper themselves did not believe that CD would be released at all considering the facts that

1. giving everyone a free soda in the United States..hmm wouldnt that hurt the company?

2. you had to register at their website to get one, and what do u know the website was pulled. So if you think about it, they pulled the plug on the whole thing.

I would be interested in hearing what made the entire issue such a fucked up situation,Guns came through, but Dr.Pepper certainly did not.

anyone debating the merit, or axl's chances in this case is a fucking mongoloid. lawfirms don't sue companies as powerful as activision on the off chance that they might win, or that their claim just might hold up in court - activision breached the contract and as a result is liable to be sued, since they did breach the contract they will be paying $20 million to our friend Axl.

"hey axl man, so you wanna give that activision lawsuit a shot? its a 50/50 chance we'll win and if we don't you're looking at millions of dollars in legal fees, costly court proceedings that could possibly drag on for years, and if we do lose you might be liable to a counter-suit. so what do ya say, wanna give it a shot? one last hoorah?"

You call someone stupid and then use a term like mongoloid. Mongoloid is an insentive and outdated term. While some of us are trying to get over the fear of Axl's all powerful law firm why don't you attempt to try and get some social education.

Mongoloid was probably a mistake, the categories are idiot,imbecile and moron,feel free to choose the one that most describes your IQ, and what does it matter if Axl is listed as a client? That is not misleading in any way.

The amount of Axl nut-swinging by 2 people here in this thread in particular is absolutely insane... Seriously that kind of fan devotion and defense is downright scary..

Funny how all of Axl's bitching about litigation that he seems more then willing to want to go after this. Not to mention the Irving Azoff case, and the Dr Pepper thing...

so if you own something anyone can use it for profit? Ok cool!

I aint swinging myself I see the mans point, I also now see why he is so careful with the band name and imagery. At the end of the day though I don't care much really it is a battle fought between lawyers about something that does not involve me except for the fact that this likely destroys any chance of a cool game with the current line up

I highly doubt there will ever be a game featuring the current line up. They're just not that well known to the general public.

What about the Chinese Democracy DLC on RB2? The whole album....

Yeh, because those songs featured the current line up yeh??

Yeh ,For the most part Yeh!!

anyone debating the merit, or axl's chances in this case is a fucking mongoloid. lawfirms don't sue companies as powerful as activision on the off chance that they might win, or that their claim just might hold up in court - activision breached the contract and as a result is liable to be sued, since they did breach the contract they will be paying $20 million to our friend Axl.

"hey axl man, so you wanna give that activision lawsuit a shot? its a 50/50 chance we'll win and if we don't you're looking at millions of dollars in legal fees, costly court proceedings that could possibly drag on for years, and if we do lose you might be liable to a counter-suit. so what do ya say, wanna give it a shot? one last hoorah?"

It's a moot point, slash is not being sued,Activision is,and the reason is not for money,it's for thier blatant misuse and contractual obligations that were intentionally misused and abused,what is so difficult to comprehend that this is in no way about money,it's about drawing a line in the sand and standing up for what you believe in, to some people integrity still matters.

If it is not about the money why 20 million. Why not sue for principal and legal fees. Or better yet make a statement now that if the suit is won the money will go to the poor. There are valid arguments on both sides here but come on is all about the money.

No, unfortunately a slap on the wrist would not suffice to quell Activision from further actions like this,so you hit them where it hurts,in the pocketbook,the legal firm knows this and is proceeding with punitive damages because of contract contradictions on Activision's part,which were openly perpetrated, this action doesn't come as a surprise,it was mentioned a while back that it would have to be sorted out.

anyone debating the merit, or axl's chances in this case is a fucking mongoloid. lawfirms don't sue companies as powerful as activision on the off chance that they might win, or that their claim just might hold up in court - activision breached the contract and as a result is liable to be sued, since they did breach the contract they will be paying $20 million to our friend Axl.

"hey axl man, so you wanna give that activision lawsuit a shot? its a 50/50 chance we'll win and if we don't you're looking at millions of dollars in legal fees, costly court proceedings that could possibly drag on for years, and if we do lose you might be liable to a counter-suit. so what do ya say, wanna give it a shot? one last hoorah?"

It's a moot point, slash is not being sued,Activision is,and the reason is not for money,it's for thier blatant misuse and contractual obligations that were intentionally misused and abused,what is so difficult to comprehend that this is in no way about money,it's about drawing a line in the sand and standing up for what you believe in, to some people integrity still matters.

fuck you axl and everyone on his balls. as much as i love axl and his talent i cant defend how big of an asshole he is. just because slash left the band doesnt mean he should leave behind all of HIS music. its HIS as it is also axl's. i honestly think axl thinks he is the only thing that has ever mattered in GNR throughout history. like it or not appetite, lies, UYI, and chidem had many, many writers and contributers other than him. who cares if slash wanted to use it for money? he helped write the damn thing. if axl can put songs in movies and games then slash should too. legally axl might be "right," morally hes a complete prick. and to do this years after the fact? what the hell? just my 2 cents.

But it's not so much about Slash, but Activision intentionally lying and misrepresenting themselves. Don't you see that? If what the suit says is true, I don't see how Axl had any choice whatsoever but to sue.

I also think that game must have made a whackload of money, and the Activision likely knew they would get sued, and figured they'd come out ahead anyway.

It's pretty blatant what Activision alledgedly did.

but axl isnt suing slash he is suing activision, its possible that slash didnt know about the previous contract which ssaid he wouldnt be used to advertise it, or that VR would be mentioned, activision isin the wrong and were probably hoping that it would slip by as so many things do for these big companies

I'm sure Slash didn't know about this and is probably swearing up a storm about what Activision did. If they misrepresented themselves to Axl, why not Slash too? Slash may sue as well. Can't wait for Slash's media comments about this.

Yes, I'm quite interested in how he is going to respond to this issue