Scream of the Butterfly
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16 hours ago, W. Axl Kev said:
Totally agree on the second quote.
I don't follow the first one though. In what world would Axl or his management allow an AI quote on his behalf? I completely agree it looks like the sort of thing a machine would come up with, but the link to the website is now in his Twitter bio. Surely that required some quality control on his behalf?
My guess would be the link was added to his Twitter bio by somebody else and Axl has nothing to do with this... or he took a quick look at the site, saw the quote and thought, "Hm, did I say that?" but left it at that.
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7 hours ago, Karice said:
I get the impression that Avi was INVITED by Guns ,TB, etc to spend the entire day with Guns, TB, etc. 💡 The people purposely driving by Axl's house hoping to see him are being creepy stalkers. 💡
I don't get the impression that she was invited to come to his hotel. I think she's indicated before that she just went there. Maybe her presence wasn't a problem to anyone, but the same goes for the people who drive by his house.
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On 4/21/2024 at 10:52 PM, Avillart said:
Yeah and not just the weather, given how people keep stalking the property. For some this may be a great trophy.
But also, it strikes me as somewhat unethical to "expose" him that way. Any neighbour or whoever passes by can look at the papers and draw (the wrong) conclusions.
Considering the documents are available online for anyone to read them, why worry that some random person might see the physical copy?
On 4/22/2024 at 12:36 AM, Avillart said:Just in case this has been misunderstood - the woman Eduardo Lebeis talks about was the woman sent from the court to serve the papers, not a stalker.
It's the actual stalkers who have everyone on the property paranoid by now (can you blame Axl IF he's hiding in the house) and Eduardo telling her she was trespassing.
His statement goes on:There's nothing about Eduardo's statement to suggest that everyone on the property is paranoid or that it's because of stalkers. The fact that they left the gate open and that there doesn't appear to be much security suggests that they are not paranoid and that there isn't any acute problem with stalkers.
8 hours ago, Avillart said:But the fans are driving around Malibu (and other places associated with Axl) looking for him, and when you look around social media, there are many many who say life is short and they don't care whether it's right or wrong, they are planning to go see Axl's house.
After it got around that I spent an entire day with Guns + TB + family and friends and pets at their hotel I got bombarded for months after by women who asked me to "take me with you next time you visit Axl" (assuming this was a regular thing for me), to "teach me how to be a groupie" (WTF??), and "are you coming to this and that show with me, I got tickets, you take us backstage".
So it's acceptable for you to go to his hotel and stick around for an entire day whereas somebody else just driving by his house on a public road is a stalker?
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A book and a podcast are not mutually exclusive alternatives. He could do both.
A TV interview might be out of the question because of the SA lawsuit.
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3 hours ago, DoMw94 said:
Only just seeing this, but maybe 'daddy' is 'the general'? The way he ruled over the person whose perspective the song is being sung from could be militaristic, so 'daddy' behaved more like a 'general' than a father.
That's how I interpret it anyway
That's how I thought everybody interpreted it.
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Maybe the BooKey page was legit after all and it's an AI generated authorized biography in the spirit of the General music video.
I'd rather just read All Work And No Play by Jack Torrance.
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17 minutes ago, Blackstar said:
"You gotta live to learn and run, or you'll die trying."
They couldn't even get the fake quote right.
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Is Hell Rose Place (one of the trademarks) a nod to the TV series Melrose Place? I wonder if Axl was a fan.
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A good thing the quotes page is bs. I couldn't even read through all of that. My goodness what bs!
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11 hours ago, vloors said:
A used bloody bandaid is pretty disgusting in most peoples eyes. Even on a fan forum like this most sane people would never consider doing anything like this let alone bragging about it on social media.
Axl in his status is not innocent and plays a part if giving these to the minions with their obvious mental health issues.
These are supposedly grown adults we are talking about behaving like this lol
If it's disgusting, look the other way. I don't think it's such a big deal. There's fan behaviour in this very thread that I find more morally objectionable than somebody picking up a used band aid.
9 hours ago, C.H. said:While we’re still off topic I’ll ask a question. Do fans stalk/stake out Slash, Duff or the other band members homes like they do Axl? Maybe I haven’t seen it or heard about fans casually strolling up to Slash’s house whenever they feel like it to take photos of themselves outside of his front gate or hoping he’d be there so they can snap a photo or film him just because they feel entitled to do so.
Has Axl’s reclusiveness been a factor in him being targeted by some fans who feel justified in invading his privacy since he’s perceived as a rare catch? It doesn’t matter if he seems okay that his house is a tourist attraction or if he waves back or whatever, like, whatever happened to common sense and not going to people’s houses uninvited especially if you don’t actually know them? Just wondering.
It's the scarcity principle in action. Axl is less readily available than Slash and Duff, so people are prepared to go to greater lengths for a piece of him.
3 hours ago, Spoon87 said:This is a new low and oddly fascinating at the same time. What kind of people collect band aids? What the fuck?
I think these fans would collect anything at all that he tosses at them. It just so happens that he's tossing band aids. I don't think there's any specific band aid fetish going on.
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3 hours ago, vloors said:
No collecting the bandaids from another human is not a hobby its creepy, disgusting and immoral. Go learn to play a sport or instrument or something. You know a real hobby normal sane people do.
What is so immoral about it, though? People collect the weirdest things. If there's no harm to anybody involved, it seems rather silly for other people to get worked up about it.
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I think this type of thing is just part of fan culture and probably has been for as long as such a thing has existed. John Lennon's rotten tooth was auctioned off for more than $30,000. Maybe years from now somebody will make a fortune selling Axl's used bandaids. Whether it's sick, wrong, or just peculiar, I don't think anybody who knows about pop culture or fan culture should be surprised by any of this.
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1 hour ago, janrichmond said:
A great many people believe the Earth is flat, doesn't mean it is.
And saying that her story is impossible or that there are a million versions of it doesn't make it so.
1 hour ago, Georgina Arriaga said:And you can Guess why BBC didn't want to go ahead? And if Axl filed a lawsuit what a great opportunity for her to get her Time in court, don't you think?
And in California was a law similar to New York, like you said expired in 2022, why didn't she sued?
I don't think she has ever expressed any interest in going to court. If she did, people would then say it's all about money kind of like people are now saying about Sheila's case. It's a no-win situation for a rape victim. Whether she sues or not, she will be attacked for it.
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He doesn't look very happy, but what else is new. At least it's good of him to take pictures with fans even as he's evidently not too thrilled to do so.
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15 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:
The whole miscarriage story is so unbelievable, it’s ridiculous. I think anybody, fan or not, would question that.
A great many people believe her and do not find the story unbelievable or ridiculous.
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20 hours ago, Georgina Arriaga said:
She said that Axl lawyers bloke her. How they can block her? Under what circumstances? That group that Is behind this, obviously Is backing Sheila story, hence the lawsuit, but why she didn't file a lawsuit? She has until 31 of december of 2023 to file one. She said she has not proof, no pictures, no medical récords, no police récords, but Sheila doesn't have either.
She said the filmmakers Sophie Cunningham and Ben Steele fought hard to keep her part in the film. I'm guessing the BBC had the final say and pulled the interview to avoid lawsuits, possibly after being contacted by Axl's lawyers and/or on the advise of their own lawyers.
The New York Adult Survivors Act does not apply to Michelle's case. She could have filed a lawsuit under California's Child Victims Act, which provided a three-year "lookback window" allowing childhood sexual assault survivors to file a lawsuit no matter how long ago the abuse occured, but the window expired at the end of 2022.
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It's perfectly normal to tell a story and share more details later. It's also perfectly normal that there might be holes in the story or unanswered questions when a person in their 40s or 50s is looking back to a traumatic event that occured more than 30 years ago when she was 15. Experts would tell you that it's normal even when the traumatic event is recent. Read about it here https://time.com/3625414/rape-trauma-brain-memory/ and here https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/trauma/p4.html
I'm not seeing anything at all that would allow any rational and well-informed person to conclude that the accusations against Axl are false. All I'm seeing is fans incapable of being objective and even deliberately distorting what the victims and other people have said.
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Raz later apologized for mixing politics into it, but I don't really blame him, considering he was answering to Duff, who had also brought up Trump's comments.
I'm curious, what do you all think about the allegations against other artists included in the report? Is Axl the only innocent person on the list or are these other people also being falsely accused?
Ryan Adams
Jimmie Allen
Nick Carter
Danny Elfman
Justin Geever aka Justin Sane
Clifford Harris Jr. aka “T.I.” and Tameka “Tiny” Harris
Cornell Haynes Jr. aka Nelly
Don Henley
Daniel Hernandez aka Tekashi69
Jacob Hoggard
Jermaine Jackson
Melissa Viviane Jefferson aka Lizzo
Robert Kelly aka R. Kelly
Anthony Kiedis
Thomas “Tommy” Lee
Jerry Lee Lewis
Prince Rogers Nelson aka Prince
Tremaine Neverson aka Trey Songz
Ted Nugent
Paul Oakenfold
Dieuson Octave aka Kodak Black
Jimmy Page
Thomas Wesley Pentz aka DiploElvis Presley
Rolling Stones
William Bruce “Axl” Rose Jr.
Cherilyn “Cher” Sarkisian
Nikki Sixx
Gordon Sumner aka Sting
Steven Tallarico aka Steven Tyler
Kaallan “KR” Walker
Brian Warner aka Marilyn Manson -
On 3/18/2024 at 12:38 AM, BluegrassBlues said:
While I don't doubt she was hanging around the band at 15, which is concerning in itself as the adults in her life really failed her for allowing that, isn't this the woman whose story has changed so dramatically that at one point it genuinely sounded like a Lifetime movie drama, whose details also kept changing to the point where even she couldn't keep up with them anymore? Didn't she also have a book in the works as well?
I have no recollection of her story changing dramatically. What was the most dramatic change?
On 3/18/2024 at 2:25 PM, MillionsOfSpiders said:It is kind of funny to re-read that open letter from Raz Cue and remember the absolute bullshit Duff was saying at the time about what good dudes GnR were back in the day - he totally rewrote history
It's a great letter. I hope Duff read it.
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Rolling Stone has also reported on this:
Appearing on video was Michelle Rhoades, a woman who alleged that Axl Rose sexually assaulted her when she was 15 years old in 1985, just before Guns N’ Roses rose to fame. Rhoades had spoken about the allegations on social media in the past, though this was the first time she’d spoken so publicly on the claims. In the video, Rhoades alleged that Rose and two other men assaulted her at the band’s rehearsal space and that afterward “Axl Rose would pick up my limp, bruised, and bloodied body and throw it out into the parking lot like a piece of trash.” )A rep for Rose did not reply to a request for comment.)https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/make-music-safe-report-survivor-groups-sexual-abuse-1234976725/
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Michelle Rhoades aka Little Michelle has been interviewed by The Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2024/02/28/music-industry-sex-assault-cases-lawsuits/
Allegations against Axl, pages 110-113 https://therepproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/SOUND-OFF-Make-the-Music-Industry-Safe-Report-February-2024.pdf
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Dogs improve with age, rock stars generally don't.
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On 2/28/2024 at 11:25 AM, invisible_rose said:
Shelia was likely told not to use the word rape, or the publishers edited it, unless she brought a legal case because it would otherwise be potentially libellous.
I suspect something similar may have happened with the Look Away documentary as well. There are only two explicit rape accusations in it. One of them is against an anonymous person and the other against a dead person. In the documentary, Sheila makes no mention of the anal rape that in the other version of the story precedes Axl's apology. Michelle's interview is missing entirely. It's possible all of these decisions were made to avoid defamation lawsuits.
In my opinion, the story is incriminating enough even in the form that it appears in the documentary. Consent is not given freely in a situation where violence is present. As a thought experiment, imagine if one person signs over their property to another person immediately after being physically assaulted by that person. Is there anybody who would consider such an agreement valid? It shouldn't be any different when it comes to consenting to sex.
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7 minutes ago, meadsoap said:
I did estimate late 1990, and I stick by that. You brought up that Rolling Stone interview where Axl said he found out his sister was sexually abused by his stepfather "last year". While the cover story didn't come out until April of 1992, Axl conducted that Interview in mid-January of 1992 while the band was on tour in Las Vegas. That would be about 12-and-a-half months after the events of December 1990, when Zutaut was in the studio helping Axl record vocals. Since Axl talks like a normal human being, he just said it happened a year ago instead of "about 12 months and 13 days ago, I found out..." like he's some kind of timekeeping robot. It's not proof of much.
But whether it happened in 1990 or the early months of 1991, that's still before he started recovered memory therapy (which was your excuses for not believing Axl's words about being sexually abused by his stepfather).
He didn't say "a year ago", he said "last year". Stop twisting things.
Axl Sued For Sexual Assault
in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS
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You didn't explain why you are worried that the documents at the gate might expose him when the same documents are available online for anyone to read (including yourself) and the lawsuit has been widely reported by news outlets. Any curious neighbor already knows.
Most likely Axl denied that his primary residence is in Malibu because he was trying to avoid being served or for other legal reasons. He never denied residing in Malibu even in the 90s or early 00s when he had an active stalker, so most likely that's not why he's doing it now. The trespassing mentioned in the documents was in reference to the process server entering the property through the open gate. Other than that there's no mention of trespassers or the staff denying that Axl lives there. If there is, feel free to show me, but do it with an actual quote that actually says what you claim it does.
What singles you out is your massive sense of superiority because you are supposedly slightly less crazy than some other fan (when even that is debatable to say the least).