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what does Flea have to do with GNR??

other than being in the same school with Slash?

ok, I wouldn't label as GNR any of the post 1993 members either, but ok.

btw, why are all those ppl incl Ron, Robin, Bucket, Ashba on the list but Matt and Gilby aren't?

1. forget the reunion.

nobody wants to play with Axl again. you think they hadn't seen Rio 2011 or Las Vegas dvd on youtube?

2. no chance any Gunner would play or share parts with ASHBA. Not Slash, not Izzy not Gilby.

3. you can't put Slash in the same sentance with Ashba.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I never cared for anything Axl did after '96, but this is THE BEST!

Absofuckinglutely HILARIOUS!

Hands down, who from the original line up would want a reunion affter seeing this?

I bet Slash, Duff, Matt, Gilby and Izzy go on youtube and pee their pants once a day every single day.

I had never seen this before.

Honestly, the only question that comes to my mind, now once they all got sober, did Axl get hooked?

I would like to see Axl bring in a younger kid. Look around for the top talent among young guitarest, and bring him or her in. ONly if gnr becomes serious aabout releasing an album though. I don't want some kids career ruined because Axl didn't do anything.

you think Ashba ain't ebough?

you think they need another kid after Ashba??

DJ Ashba is 42 years old. Hardly a kid.

maybe not age wise...but...

As you can tell, I'm bored so I'm making threads on topics I'm thinking about.

Anyways, rock n' roll is an American invention but it can be easily argued that the Brits took it to the next level. You have the freaking Beatles, Stones, the British Invasion, Floyd, The Who, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Purple, the first wave of heavy metal, etc all come out of Britain. I believe Punk started there too, right? (I could be wrong)

So what band (if any) could hold the title of biggest/best American rock band?

I guess the biggest ones overall would be-

Aerosmith

Van Halen

The Eagles

Metallica

Aerosmith is probably the most obvious choice. They're legends, and their debut- Rocks is one of the best rock album runs ever. Although I really enjoy a lot of their late 70s- more modern stuff, its clearly not the same. They also started really chasing trends in the 90s and have really never recovered from that. Their last album, alone had ballads copying "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" and a Carrie Underwood duet. That'd be fine if the song was good and it was something they were genuine about, but I don't think that was the case. Still, their past work cements their legacy, and their live shows have always been great. Plus, you know, Steven Tyler. I guess they'd take my vote.

Next is Van Halen. You can't deny how important Eddie has been to popular music. He was one of those rare, one in a million, talents that changed the way guitar was looked at. Did he start two handed tapping? No, but he made it his own style and for better or worse, influenced an entire decade of guitar playing. However, as much as I like Van Halen, they are still just a band that made dumb, fun music. Their music with DLR is a blast, but pretty shallow (nothing wrong with that) and it got an extra layer of cheese with Sammy (again, nothing wrong with that). Great band, but I feel like Aerosmith is a notch above. Maybe VH's inactivity over the years and declining live show (the 2004 tour and current DLR) contribute to that, idk.

Now for The Eagles. These guys are probably the most musically inclined of these 3 older bands. They never sold out musically, in my opinion, and represent a really cool side of America. I can't think of a band that blends rock, country, and folk music better than The Eagles. Their live shows were always stellar, their releases always good (I even really loved Long Road out of Eden, a very ambitious album for that stage in their career imo), but their fighting and decades of inactivity hurt them.

Finally, Metallica. Sure, they are heavy metal but I think that can count. Metallica is a new comer compared to the other 3, but they've had a long career with just as many ups and downs. Their debut- ... And Justice Through All is metal perfection, and then they hit even more people with The Black Album. That album doesn't get as much love anymore, but I think it is a really cool mix of more commercial metal. There are some stellar songs on it. Load/ReLoad were cool because they showed the band wasn't afraid to try new things. Of course, St. Anger sucked, but that's one album. I liked Death Magnetic, and their live shows have always been phenomenal. Plus, they have remained huge without quite reaching "nostalgia" level like The Eagles, VH, and Aerosmith. They try new things (a movie, festival, LuLu, etc), are cool to their fans, and are really popular. Still, I feel like Aerosmith has more of a "legacy" thing going.

Then there are other bands that are/were huge like Bon Jovi, Kiss, GNR, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, CCR, Jimi Hendrix, The Band, The Doors, The Beach Boys, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, etc but I stand by one of the 4 above for being the "best" American rock band that can hold the flag.

(Best is a subjective term, I am just bored and want to start a discussion because all of you are lame today)

EDIT- Yes, I left GNR off. They COULD have been up there, but they broke up before they reached it. Too bad, so sad.

depends what you consider 'biggest'.

Like them or not, Bon Jovi is probably the biggest overall.

Record sales, tours, tour income.

The Eagles outside US are non existant.

Nobody knows any song other than Hotel California.

Aerosmith, had a good run in the 70's when the tours were much smaller in small venues, than had a good era 88-93, but never became a stadium band, more Arena band, last 15 years also non existant.

Metallica ok, but overall, not near Bon Jovi.

...VH, irrelevant outside USA, entirely.

I guess I always forget how big Bon Jovi really is. I don't know them a while lot, but I do love 'Dry County'. They always play arenas and stadiums when they come to Michigan.

yeah, Dry County is hands down their best song IMO.

But as I said, they are globally probably biggest band. After all, they play stadium tour for about 25 years now, so...

Every time they tour, they tour Europe, US, S America, Asia, Australia and it is always stadium shows with the biggest income of the year.

U2 was in that range for a while, but they tour far less frequentlly, not to mention they are gonne now for the past 5 years.

Back in 2008, I recall their Japan tour broke the record for any band in Japan having tours and no. 1 singles in the charts!

They circeled Japan a few times since...

As I said, it is always a matter of what ppl consider 'biggest'.

I see ppl mentioning Ramones, REM..., ok, Ramones still are extremly popular here, REM was too, but neither could sell out Arenas, more Sprt halls 5-10.000 ppl.

MY US bands of interest were always Slash, real GNR, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, STP but to give you a straight picture...

STP sold more than 40 million records in US alone, however, they never cracked outside of North America.

Kind of like Oasis and US.

They once tried to go on the tour at their peak and played like 8 festival shows, afternoon time.

Never came back to Europe after 1992.

Soundgarden, Faith No More, AIC..., all have kinda cult status, but can't play in venues bigger than 5000.

That is solo shows.

Guns N Roses and Nirvana could have been biggest US bands would they have lasted longer.

in the 90's GNR were the biggest band in the world, by far. Unfortunately, Axl's ego was too big.

I would like to see Axl bring in a younger kid. Look around for the top talent among young guitarest, and bring him or her in. ONly if gnr becomes serious aabout releasing an album though. I don't want some kids career ruined because Axl didn't do anything.

you think Ashba ain't ebough?

you think they need another kid after Ashba??

As you can tell, I'm bored so I'm making threads on topics I'm thinking about.

Anyways, rock n' roll is an American invention but it can be easily argued that the Brits took it to the next level. You have the freaking Beatles, Stones, the British Invasion, Floyd, The Who, Zeppelin, Sabbath, Purple, the first wave of heavy metal, etc all come out of Britain. I believe Punk started there too, right? (I could be wrong)

So what band (if any) could hold the title of biggest/best American rock band?

I guess the biggest ones overall would be-

Aerosmith

Van Halen

The Eagles

Metallica

Aerosmith is probably the most obvious choice. They're legends, and their debut- Rocks is one of the best rock album runs ever. Although I really enjoy a lot of their late 70s- more modern stuff, its clearly not the same. They also started really chasing trends in the 90s and have really never recovered from that. Their last album, alone had ballads copying "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" and a Carrie Underwood duet. That'd be fine if the song was good and it was something they were genuine about, but I don't think that was the case. Still, their past work cements their legacy, and their live shows have always been great. Plus, you know, Steven Tyler. I guess they'd take my vote.

Next is Van Halen. You can't deny how important Eddie has been to popular music. He was one of those rare, one in a million, talents that changed the way guitar was looked at. Did he start two handed tapping? No, but he made it his own style and for better or worse, influenced an entire decade of guitar playing. However, as much as I like Van Halen, they are still just a band that made dumb, fun music. Their music with DLR is a blast, but pretty shallow (nothing wrong with that) and it got an extra layer of cheese with Sammy (again, nothing wrong with that). Great band, but I feel like Aerosmith is a notch above. Maybe VH's inactivity over the years and declining live show (the 2004 tour and current DLR) contribute to that, idk.

Now for The Eagles. These guys are probably the most musically inclined of these 3 older bands. They never sold out musically, in my opinion, and represent a really cool side of America. I can't think of a band that blends rock, country, and folk music better than The Eagles. Their live shows were always stellar, their releases always good (I even really loved Long Road out of Eden, a very ambitious album for that stage in their career imo), but their fighting and decades of inactivity hurt them.

Finally, Metallica. Sure, they are heavy metal but I think that can count. Metallica is a new comer compared to the other 3, but they've had a long career with just as many ups and downs. Their debut- ... And Justice Through All is metal perfection, and then they hit even more people with The Black Album. That album doesn't get as much love anymore, but I think it is a really cool mix of more commercial metal. There are some stellar songs on it. Load/ReLoad were cool because they showed the band wasn't afraid to try new things. Of course, St. Anger sucked, but that's one album. I liked Death Magnetic, and their live shows have always been phenomenal. Plus, they have remained huge without quite reaching "nostalgia" level like The Eagles, VH, and Aerosmith. They try new things (a movie, festival, LuLu, etc), are cool to their fans, and are really popular. Still, I feel like Aerosmith has more of a "legacy" thing going.

Then there are other bands that are/were huge like Bon Jovi, Kiss, GNR, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, CCR, Jimi Hendrix, The Band, The Doors, The Beach Boys, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, etc but I stand by one of the 4 above for being the "best" American rock band that can hold the flag.

(Best is a subjective term, I am just bored and want to start a discussion because all of you are lame today)

EDIT- Yes, I left GNR off. They COULD have been up there, but they broke up before they reached it. Too bad, so sad.

depends what you consider 'biggest'.

Like them or not, Bon Jovi is probably the biggest overall.

Record sales, tours, tour income.

The Eagles outside US are non existant.

Nobody knows any song other than Hotel California.

Aerosmith, had a good run in the 70's when the tours were much smaller in small venues, than had a good era 88-93, but never became a stadium band, more Arena band, last 15 years also non existant.

Metallica ok, but overall, not near Bon Jovi.

...VH, irrelevant outside USA, entirely.

Is there any point? Axl can't sing, Ashba is a fucking pathetic joke. GnR is an industry wide laughing stock and totally irrelevant to anyone other than the people who go to see them live and hear November Rain and Sweet Child... Axl realies this, that is why he has non-stop toured the same tired, setlist and show and hasn't released anything new. Hardcore fans want new music, the rest of the world want to hear Axl Rose and slash playing their songs together live. Utterly pointless to get another "employee" in to the Axl Rose Project. It isn't about the fans, it is totally about the ego of the boss and the hired hands

treading as carefully as they can on the eggshells around him. That and the $ it is earning him and the cleaner's clan. It really is pathetic.

On top of that, anything that any potential new guy did record would end up lifeless, overproduced and have 16 irrelevant sub bass parts clagged onto it in the studio, just like CD.

I didn't see anyone point this out before, so I might say this out loud.

The reason he plays Greatest hits for the last 10 years is because NOBODY cares about his Slashless music, regardless of it being from CD or Cd 55, and he seems to be aware of that despite hiding that acknowledgment.

it died the day he insisted Duff and Slash sign over GNR name.

its about time you guys face it...the world gave Axl 15 years and got CD, after this experience nobody other than team mexico, axl and 20 of you wants to hear new music from Axl unless he reunites with Slash and co.

just like with any other band I suppose, one loves them, the guy next door hates them.

fact is, any album FF ever made can be considered EPIC compared to CD.

the truth is they always struggled with making entirely great album, but Wasting Light is by far their most compact album.

truth be told, they are also great musicians and are one of the few, if not the only, who put out and tremendously great live show, like Gunners in the 90's.

Nobody can say they are not great band, cause that simply wouldn't be fair, like them or not.

which line up are you talking about?

does anyone know if one currently exists?

...to add one more to my previous post.

Slash new tatoo coming after Perla split, wasn't that the place UYI's were first recorded/rehersed?

truth be told...

eversince this reunion rumours began flying around last summer, there has been more indications of 'yes' than 'no'.

first come the two 'insider' claims in june.

then some ppl here indicate there might be something going on.

then Matt posts that picture of UYI line up saying 'greatest band since GNR under way'

then Slash puts in YCBM and DTTJ on the setlist. remember, they all, ex members, avoided post Adler songs from the UYI's that were not covers eversince 1993!

who knows, there are many writings on the wall...if they reconciled, they can't go out and say that with WOF promo tour in the works, that stuff must be finished first.

fact is, none other than Slash does anything for a while now + Duff spent his bday in the studio with Izzy and posted that as if he wanted...

what are you guys mumbling there...

Izzy couldn't stand Axl from back home.

remember his interviews??

he was keeping up with Ax just for the music.

Why is he such a dick about it?

who is that RHCP guitarist in the pic?

So all those who doubted Subsy when I told everyone he was out BEFORE Vegas (before any rumours had evn occurred) when others tried to discredit (inc my own co admin HV who didn't believe it and other large personalities went further stating "Subs is lying I've spoken to BBF I can't divulge but I can tell you he's not leaving gnr after Vegas" type nonsense -- can all, line up and kiss my perfectly and yet ever so beautiful british bottom

Thanks.

I don't feel as any of the ones you mentioned, nor do I care much about bbf/buckethead or whatever BUT...

If I ain't wrong, there was other news from subsy regarding THE members who made Gunners (the REAL band) and their future with Axl!?

if I am not wrong, subsy or someone else posted 'it will soon be christmas for the fans of the real band', any idea what that was all about!?

p.m. me if you don't want to post here.

tnx

in a way it is all a bit ironic.

They kicked him out of VR and made it clear they want nothing to do with him but they can't find a replacement since.

Slash best singers since leaving Gunners were Rod Jackson and Eric Dover but he had least succes with - them.

out of the 4 singers he has worked since, Myles seems to be his favorite but he is definately most irritating with least stage presence.

they kicked Scott out mutually, but Dave and now Matt seem less and less opposing the idea to work again with him.

the last. albums Slash did are his weakest works since 1995 IMO, but he seems to play bggest arenas so far.

don't know why it's so, but it just is ironic.

Ax can bring in any guitar player he wants, make him wear a mask, lipstick, pizza hut plte on he head and have them play all 10 at once and h stll on't be able to replace Slash.

Gunners wer Slash/Duff/Matt or Steve and Axl - not just Axl.

no matter what he does he will never be able to reproduc that sond. period!

Richie is an good guitarist, but anyone claiming he is better than Slash has never heard either Slash or Sambora

Woodland - the adress of THE VAULT!

Axl is a lunatic and a morron and it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

it can always happen that someone has a fall out with 1 or 2 ppl, but Axl had a fallout with everyone, incl 55 or so past members.

as for Perla, says Marc, se was riding him to reconcie with Axl, wheater or not this is step clser or further to reunion - hard to say

My Michelle

Think about you

Brownstone

Perfect crime

Right next door

DTJ

Coma

Don't damn

Back off

Pretty tied

Breakdown (absolute must be!!!)

Locomotive

Cool, thanks.

wish people would ask him about future of Loaded ans possibility of Neurotic outsiders 2.

a) A shrink

b) Slash

anyone saying bad things about Paris show or UYI' in general is a cry baby that is downplayingthings because of their own subjective reasons.

UYI's are probably albums with least gaps, in quality terms, compared to number of songs on any album ever.

As far as Paris, you can't compare that show or tour to AFD era in any way what so ever.

During the UYI' s the band was in their prime.

Old members became better and more experienced musicians than during AFD, the band had bigge and more complexed catalogue, Sorum brought in new dimension and finally, compared to AFD, new band rocketing from 0, UYI Gunners were a monster band that pcked up where thy left off pre 1991.