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    Vocals for new album, what should we expect?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    He left IRS, Madagascar and Catcher intact between 1999 and 2008 because he sang them the way he wanted to at the time and had no reason to change them.

    I'm really looking forward to hearing the 'high, piercing, screaming' vocals on The General.

    But it bothers me that there will probably be many more songs like Twat and Prostitute that he'll almost never sing live because they're brutal.

    Madagascar vocals were recorded in 2006

    Richard Abowitz of the Los Angeles Times reports: Next month will mark two years since audio engineer Mark Gray, 31, dropped by the studio at the Palms to say goodbye to his co-workers before departing for a vacation. His boss asked him if he would be willing to come back early to do some just-booked sessions. "I went from 'no way,'" he recalls, "to changing my plane ticket right away." All it took to change his mind is what the sessions were for recording. And, on Dec. 27, 2006, Gray found himself one of the many engineers to be connected to the legendary GUNS N' ROSES disc "Chinese Democracy".

    Axl Rose arrived at the Palms Studio inside the resort and worked for 13 days in 2006 on his vocals for the finally released disc. Gray recalls a list of 14 songs (the same number as on the released version) many with working titles. Among those Rose worked on at Palms Studio he is sure are on the disc are "Chinese Democracy", "Madagascar" and "Prostitute".

    Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-engineer-talks-about-recording-process-for-chinese-democracy/#Lldh8TDtYxzftD8v.99

    No.

    Pitman told the specific story of Axl recording the lead vocal in 1999. It's the exact same vocal you can hear in the Boston 2002 promo. In 2006 he probably worked on backgrounds. The Blues vocals were also done by 2002 and can be heard in the Boston clip but, like the live version, he hadn't finished the lyrics for the final part. He added 'What'd I tell you...One more failure' etc in 2006. You can hear the transition quite clearly, especially on the isolated audio stems.

    It says he 'worked on' those titles. You really think he hadn't laid down vocals for the title track until December 2006?! Prostitute is a Bucket song and he'd left in 2004!

    Boston 2002 promo:

    He left IRS, Madagascar and Catcher intact between 1999 and 2008 because he sang them the way he wanted to at the time and had no reason to change them.

    I'm really looking forward to hearing the 'high, piercing, screaming' vocals on The General.

    But it bothers me that there will probably be many more songs like Twat and Prostitute that he'll almost never sing live because they're brutal.

    Madagascar vocals were recorded in 2006

    Richard Abowitz of the Los Angeles Times reports: Next month will mark two years since audio engineer Mark Gray, 31, dropped by the studio at the Palms to say goodbye to his co-workers before departing for a vacation. His boss asked him if he would be willing to come back early to do some just-booked sessions. "I went from 'no way,'" he recalls, "to changing my plane ticket right away." All it took to change his mind is what the sessions were for recording. And, on Dec. 27, 2006, Gray found himself one of the many engineers to be connected to the legendary GUNS N' ROSES disc "Chinese Democracy".

    Axl Rose arrived at the Palms Studio inside the resort and worked for 13 days in 2006 on his vocals for the finally released disc. Gray recalls a list of 14 songs (the same number as on the released version) many with working titles. Among those Rose worked on at Palms Studio he is sure are on the disc are "Chinese Democracy", "Madagascar" and "Prostitute".

    Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-engineer-talks-about-recording-process-for-chinese-democracy/#Lldh8TDtYxzftD8v.99

    I think Madagascar was done by '00, you can hear clips on the CD 2002 promos, and Beavan said most of the tracks he worked with Axl on, the vocals were exactly the same on the album as they were back in '99/'00. CD, though, I can see him adding the raspy vocals in 2006.

    Hah, Jordan Rose saved me the time to find the YT link.

    Fair enough. I just went by your "intact", so just wanted to point out that he had "worked" on them later.

    Axl '91

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    Yeah, that year was when he delivered the best crazy performances but I agree with the person who said his voice was too raspy at the time and it fucked up songs. Vocally speaking, I like that period when they used to perfom on American television like this one:

    That one is perfection, even with all the censoring of the cuss words, the performance is unique and his voice is fabulous.

    Vocally it's maybe better, but the anger man, the anger!

    Vocals for new album, what should we expect?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    He left IRS, Madagascar and Catcher intact between 1999 and 2008 because he sang them the way he wanted to at the time and had no reason to change them.

    I'm really looking forward to hearing the 'high, piercing, screaming' vocals on The General.

    But it bothers me that there will probably be many more songs like Twat and Prostitute that he'll almost never sing live because they're brutal.

    Madagascar vocals were recorded in 2006

    Richard Abowitz of the Los Angeles Times reports: Next month will mark two years since audio engineer Mark Gray, 31, dropped by the studio at the Palms to say goodbye to his co-workers before departing for a vacation. His boss asked him if he would be willing to come back early to do some just-booked sessions. "I went from 'no way,'" he recalls, "to changing my plane ticket right away." All it took to change his mind is what the sessions were for recording. And, on Dec. 27, 2006, Gray found himself one of the many engineers to be connected to the legendary GUNS N' ROSES disc "Chinese Democracy".

    Axl Rose arrived at the Palms Studio inside the resort and worked for 13 days in 2006 on his vocals for the finally released disc. Gray recalls a list of 14 songs (the same number as on the released version) many with working titles. Among those Rose worked on at Palms Studio he is sure are on the disc are "Chinese Democracy", "Madagascar" and "Prostitute".

    Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-engineer-talks-about-recording-process-for-chinese-democracy/#Lldh8TDtYxzftD8v.99

    Big guns on CD2?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

    Posted · Edited by seagullview

    I think Leave Me Alone is now Soul Monster?

    I think Beltrami did those on CD. There's just 4 more tracks he worked on that we haven't heard.

    Put them with Jackie Chan, Zodiac, Berlin, Atlas Shrugged and you almost have an album.

    Ides of March is one Im interested to know more about. Another book I haven't read. I was surprised it was a confirmed title as there's no other intel on it.

    I wonder how many of the titles have changed though? Fortus said he knew a lot of the unreleased song by other titles than the fans. The Blues became Street of Dreams, Oklahoma became Berlin as examples of titles changing.

    Statistical anatomy analysis of GN'R

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    November brain: Guns N' Roses statistics reveal anatomy of rock

    One developer and statistics pro has turned his eye to what makes up the music of Guns N' Roses, proving that when it comes to 80s rock, the hair was high, but the standard deviations were higher.

    guns-n-roses.jpgGuns N' Roses Image by Paul Natkin/Getty

    For many rock fans, Guns N' Roses will always stand for stadium gigs and the vague scent of hairspray and snakeskin boot wax that brings back memories of '89. But then there are those for whom shredding out gnarly air guitar solos with Slash calls to mind the beauty and purity of statistical analysis.

    For those that have always wanted to see the golden era of Guns N' Roses graphed in all its glory (and really, who hasn't?) developer and teacher Juan Gabito has broken the lyrics and licks down into bar charts and box plots, with a little help from some nifty Python coding.

    "I just want to know a few things about the songs of the Live Era GnR (1987 - 1993) AKA the real Guns N' Roses," Gabito wrote on his website.

    "What's the average song duration? Is Civil War a long song for GnR standards? What about Perfect Crime, it's too short? And the lyrics... which are the most used words? How many words in average do the songs have? How many F* words have been used? Which is the song with the highest lexical diversity?"

    guns-n-rosewordchart5.jpgThe most common words (5 letters or more) used by Guns N' Roses. Screenshot by Claire Reilly/CNET

    To get lexical with Axl, Gabito analysed 44 songs from "Appetite for Destruction", "G N' R Lies", "Use Your Illusion I" and "Use Your Illusion II" and broke them down into common and unique words, as well as song lengths to discover the anatomy of a G N' R song.

    guns-n-rosewordlength.jpgThe most common words in Gunners songs have three letters, ranging down to one 14-letter word. Screenshot by Claire Reilly/CNET

    The result? Gunners songs have a lexical diversity of 12 percent, meaning 1 out of 8 words are unique (calculated by taking unique words as a percentage of total words) and each song has roughly 39 unique words. The longest word is "sociopsychotic" (appearing in "My World" and, we presume, every unauthorised Steven Adler biography to date) and the most common word is "your".

    And because Axl is the kind of guy you could take home to meet your mother, f* words and their variants only make up 0.3 percent of words, appearing 42 times in total (though that's more than "patience" and "jungle" combined for those playing at home).

    While "November Rain" may appear to last longer than time itself (or certainly long enough that you shouldn't be playing it outside a church in the middle of nowhere without an amp, Slash), it's not the longest song. That title is taken by "Coma" (at 10:13 minutes).

    guns-n-rosesonglength.jpgA box plot showing the duration of G N' R songs. Screenshot by Claire Reilly/CNET

    While there are no doubt few people who were around in the heady days of hair metal that can actually recall anything much about the era (here's looking at you Nikki Sixx), we're glad someone out there has an appetite for both mathematics and Guns N' Roses. If we could graph that out Juan Gabito, it'd make one pretty sweet Venn diagram.

    For the rest of us, welcome to the jungle -- hope you brought your calculator.

    http://www.cnet.com/news/november-brain-guns-n-roses-statistics-reveal-anatomy-of-rock/

    Appetite for Stats: Insights on the world's most dangerous band

    Guns N' Roses is one of my two favorite bands (the other is The Ramones) and I just want to know a few things about the songs of the Live Era GnR (1987 - 1993) AKA the real Guns N' Roses.

    What's the average song duration? Is Civil War a long song for GnR standards? What about Perfect Crime, it's too short? And the lyrics... which are the most used words? How many words in average do the songs have? How many F* words have been used? Which is the song with the highest lexical diversity?

    To answer these questions I analyze 44 songs from Appetite for Destruction, GN'R Lies and Use Your Illusion I and II. All songs that weren't written by GnR where left out of this analysis with a total running time of 3 hours 36 minutes and 20 seconds.

    Average song duration

    So, how long in average does a GnR last? Well, about 4 minutes and 55 seconds (mean) with a standard deviation of about 1 minute and 55 seconds. This means that a regular GnR songs may last something between 3:00 minutes and 6:50 minutes.

    So, Civil War with a duration of 7:42 minutes it's actually a long song and Perfect Crime with 2:23 it's a short song.

    Here's a box plot with the duration of the songs. You can see that with a duration of 10:13 minutes Coma is the longest song in the GnR discography.

    gnr_box_plot.pngWords

    And what about the words? How many? How many different words? How many words in average? Here's the data:

    Total words

    13.579
    Unique words

    1.695
    Avg words per song

    315,7
    Lexical diversity
    12%

    But what's the meaning of a 12% lexical diversity? Well that means that 1 out of 8 words is unique. How do you calculate it? Easy: Unique words / Total words. This also means that there are about 39 unique words per song.

    The song with the highest lexical diversity is Coma with 2,2%.

    And which is the longest words used: sociopsychotic, 14 characters long. It appears in My World.

    Now lets talk about the most used words. The two following cloud charts show the 30 most used words that have more that 4 characters long and 5 characters long.

    Most used words larger than 3 characters
    created at TagCrowd.com
    Most used words larger than 5 characters
    created at TagCrowd.com

    One last thing here... what's the distribution of word length?

    gnr_length.pngThe F* word and related words

    The F* words and it variations (motherf*) appear 42 times, that means that they only represent the 0,3% of all the words.

    http://gabitoju.uy/datalab/gnr.html

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    Rich & Spicy: A GN'R trademark

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    No I'm not talking about hotsauces. I mean the various sound effects one can find in the guns songs. There's a lot of them, especially in the oldGN'R songs. I think it adds to the songs and makes the songs richer. Firstly you have Axl's very versatile voice. High, deep, he could do it all. He did a lot of whistling in the early days. What would Patience be without the whistling at the beginning? He also has that shiver/trembling voice he does sometimes. Whispering. Screaming. Talking. And then there's all the "ohhhh" and "yeah" and similar. Devil laughter is another one. He even sings with an English accent just to add to the variety. Small comments at the end of songs. Personally love the dark double voice in Locomotive.

    There's the famous sex moaning in RQ. Other girls voices in other songs. Chinese voices. Phone dialling and comments in KOHD. They also have some guest singers and other members of the band singing to add to the variety (Duff, Izzy, Tommy, Shannon). Medical instruments and the voice of the doctors. There's Trisha and Roberta. Then you have all the movie quotations they have incorporated into their songs. They're all a big part of the songs now, like Civil War.

    I have mentioned some of them, there are others too, but as you can see the songs are full of them. So I think we can say it's sort of a trademark for their songs. I guess a lot of the songs have been worked on for a long while too so they had plenty of time to add all those effects on.

    What do you think about the extra sounds they have added? Adds a positive dimension or would you prefer more "cleaner" songs without any effects?

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    Big guns on CD2?

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    People seem to be forgetting that other people listened to songs years prior to the release of CD and said that some songs, that didn't end up on CD, was the better of the lot:

    "Leave Me Alone," "Seven," and "The General" could also feature on the new album. These three A-listed songs were worked on by Marco Beltrami, especially "Seven," which Marco deems as the best of the three songs (Jeff Leeds, Sp1at website, June 2005).

    One of my favorite songs is this song called 'The General', which is so... it's by far the heaviest metal tune I think I've ever heard Axl do, this slow, grinding riff with these high, piercing vocals, screaming vocals. [...] (Baz, Metal Edge, July 2007).

    And Axl talking about The General: Well, this comes out on the third record. It relates to [Estranged], it's a trilogy, this goes with this lyrically [Metal Edge, June 2007]

    the fact that axl already referenced a third album as early as 07 makes me believe there is ton of material left that we haven't heard. of course im skeptical, but going down kind of pushed me back into the thinking that axl has boat loads of material. im thinking there are probably around 15-20 songs completed at least in the same form as Going Down is complete. honestly i would not be surprised if its more then 20. i think we'd be idiots to assume he has spent his entire adult life since the illusions came out and only has the songs we heard on Chinese in his pocket. now whether or not we hear them and if they are any good is another story.

    This is from an interview by MTV News in 1997 of Matt Sorum:

    Sorum also said that Guns n' Roses had recorded "4,800 hours of music" (we assume over several years) and have "15 really strong songs" which will be ready "hopefully by next year." He added that the sessions were leaning towards a Soundgarden style of rock although there were tracks where the Nine Inch Nails influence was evident. He told the small crowd that Rose's new favorite saying has been "loop it, loop it!"

    http://www.w-axl-rose.com/News/News_Archives_1997.html

    I don't know how many or if any of them ended up on CD, but I think it's safe to assume there's a lot of completed/half-completed songs already recorded, If they had 15 songs as early as 97 there should be a lot of songs by now.

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