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11 hours ago, Draguns said:

I worded the way I did because he was saying that my post was subjective. His post is subjective as well. How come you didn't say anything to him? I don't appreciate words being put into my mouth.

You probably took his side because you didn't like what I said. 

I mean, yeah, he said your take was subjective and then you said thinking CD was better than Black Ice and Death Magnetic was not realistic. Saying it's "not realistic" implies you think our opinion is objectively wrong, you see?

Anyway, this is really a minor thing that shouldn't derail this thread. lol All is fine. Hope The General is released on Spotify this week and, who know, maybe Monsters shows up soon enough.

5 minutes ago, Draguns said:

I NEVER   said that my opinion is gospel. In fact you were the one stating that it's subjective. That's why I said what I said in my reply. No need to lash out.  Chill out.

I NEVER  said my opinion was fact. Wow!  

It's the way you worded it. "It's your fandom talking. You're not being realistic. Both albums were better."

It's all fine. Just pointing why we answered like that.

1 minute ago, mikeman5150 said:

Does he say Satan laughing or satanic laughing? Originally I thought it was Satan, but after a few listens I’m not really sure. 

I still hear "Satan laughing", but it could go either way, I suppose. Even if it's "satanic", it's so close to War Pigs' lyrics I can't help but wonder it's intentional, which would be cool.

5 hours ago, El Guapo said:

The vocals ln Monsters are very Ozzy.

Yep! They sound a lot like Ozzy and even the verses on that song sound a bit like a sped-up War Pigs to me. There's the "Satan laughing" lyrics, which curiously are on both songs... maybe it's an intentional homage?

1 hour ago, Ratam said:

Call my attention i can't see it in anywhere site about The General is about abuse child.

I don't think any article said The General was about child abuse prior leaks. However, I'm 100% there was an article that said there was a Chinese Democracy song about child abuse and some people assumed it was The General.

Then, there was the "there's a child chained to the bed" line in the Evader mix and many more people (including me) jumped on that theory, which is kinda hilarious in retrospect, given the lyrics were completely wrong and that song wasn't even The General. lol

Still, against all odds, we ended up being right and The General really was the song about child abuse. That's wild.

15 minutes ago, DannyVinyard said:

Then why is Axl's bridge from Monsters in Evaders remix of the General?

Because Evader, just like the rest of us, thought the leaked cellphone clip was from The General. He was mistaken. You can ask the man himself if you want to. It was Monsters (almost certainly Soul Monster) all along, we just thought otherwise because of the orchestra.

9 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

That would indeed be interesting just to see what they've changed and what they kept. I haven't heard the phone recording. I assume the lead guitar melody is completely different, isn't it?

Yep. We can compare the middle solo from Monsters. Both are great, but very different. I think I slightly prefer Slash's, but both compliment the song very well in their own way.

It's either that or the solos + Axl's screams in TWAT. Didn't vote because of that. It's a really tough choice between the two, which of course means Monsters is amazing.

11 minutes ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

I'm sorry but anyone saying Monsters is not Soul Monster is out of their mind. Axl described Soul Monster in a way that could not more perfectly describe Monsters:

 

"I think it's our most Black Sabbath moment. Sang it on a Christmas eve. Imo the meanest section of anything I've sung to date. Which having said that I'm sure when it's heard others may disagree but we felt it was a Christmas card of unadulterated venom so to speak. I felt a lot better afterward."

 

Black Sabbath moment = verses.

Meanest section of anything to date = screaming bridge part

Yeah, I agree 100%. We might be wrong, but there's just too many coincidences not to think that with the information we're given. The Black Sabbath vibe (Axl even sounds a bit like Ozzy in the verses), the mean bridge... the lyrics even say "you stole my soul", for God's sake. 

Again, we might turn out to be wrong, but it all fits so perfectly for this to be Soul Monster.

I love Children Of The Revolution, but I'll always put original compositions ahead of covers.

13 minutes ago, fear the juggalo 1 said:

You seemed to have answered most of your questions already! See, We can all be "insiders"!!!

I certainly didn't answer all of them. And I'm surely not an insider, I'm just speculating with the information you brought. I'm not trying to be an asshole here. You gotta know we get kinda skeptical with insiders and people with friends in the industry, which doesn't mean I think you're talking bullshit. We just have reasons to doubt anyone who makes such claims.

You see, what intrigues me is that Monsters fits so perfectly with Axl's description of Soul Monster (Sabbathy and meanest bridge he ever sang) and simply has both "soul" and "monsters" in it's almost Occam's Razor to speculate they're the same song. Of course, sometimes Occam's Razor gets things wrong.

Then, there's two other things that bother me with this: if the song got split into to, why would it be registered as one entity? Also, how the leaker would have access from a version of Monsters with Slash if it's not in the Perhaps vinyl? They must from the very, very inside.

Again, I'm just a curious fan and never meant to be rude. If you do have some information to share, it's cool that you're doing that. Anything more you can tell us?

13 minutes ago, fear the juggalo 1 said:

No speculation, I'm just a nobody passing on useless information.  (Isn't all information about music kinda useless in the spectrum of life?)  But back on topic, just trying to give some clarity. (As best I can). 

 

So, just for clarity, you're claiming you do have inside information and The General was this 9 minutes song from the beginning that got split into to so one half would be the B-side to Perhaps and the other side would be the B-side to Atlas? And that Soul Monster is a whole separate song? Is that it? And, if so, if The General was split into two song that will get released individually, wouldn't they be also registered individually? And that also implies the leaker has access to more than just the Perhaps vinyl, otherwise he wouldn't have leaked Monsters.

Just now, fear the juggalo 1 said:

I do know. It's different songs.  The general was a long song, that was decided to be split into 2 songs for separate  B side releases.... hence, Generals N......Monsters. 

But as always, wtf do I know?!? Lol

I mean, you're either an insider or you're just speculating as much as I am. lol

57 minutes ago, rumandraisin said:

But then why has it got the same strings in places, the same chord progression in parts. 

The strings that we were told were from the General were actually from both combined in a 3 or so minute piece. 

Rememeber that Soul Monster was orchestrated by Marco Beltrami in the same sessions he worked on The General. I believe they were always sister songs and Axl just decided to mash them together.

1 hour ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Part 1 of Another Brick In The Wall and Part 2 etc. are seperate songs. They are labeled as seperate songs with Part 1, Part 2, and they are also registered like that, seperately, on the songwriter registration sites.

In the case here, it's officially clearly just registered as ONE single song, not The General 1, The General 2 etc.

I haven't heard the Megadeth song, is it really 2 songs with each their own chorus verses bridge solos? I somehow don't believe that. These here are 2 fully completed, realized songs following each other, and are officially recognized as one song on both the vinyl and on the songwriting registration.

Yeah, the Another Brick In The Wall situation is a bit different. Listen to Holy Wars... The Punishment Due, though. The Punishment Due is sandwiched in between Holy Wars segments. Then there's The Hardest Part of Letting Go... Sealed with a Kiss, that's structured as two songs in one track, as supposedly is The General/Monsters. Mustaine loves to do this kind of stuff.

4 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

There are things that speak for both, and also against both theories, which makes it so confusing, and leaves many unanswered questions.

If "Monsters" is not it's own song, but a part of The General: Why in the world is it not just that, a part of The General and we would just have a song registered as "The General". Why does it need an extra name if it's not an extra song? When even on the official vinyl, it's just billed as Perhaps/The General? 

But if it's a hidden track and it's own song: Why does the same orchestra keep going in both songs? Why do both songs clearly go together lyrically?

 

An answer could actually be that GNR, over 30 years into their career, have pulled an in music history entirely unprecedented move, and created one song that is actually 2 songs, both with their own verses, chorus, bridges, and solos, as one song. Not sure what to think.

It wouldn't be unprecedented. Megadeth does this a lot, see Holy Wars... The Punishment Due and the likes. Also Pink Floyd with the Another Brick In The Wall three parts and The Happiest Days Of Our Lives and the Time/Breathe Reprise thingy. There's many cases of two songs that got interwoven as one.

1 hour ago, fear the juggalo 1 said:

It's not

We don't know that. It's all speculation at this point, but I'd say, as of now, we have more reasons to believe it is than to believe it's not. It's a song that mentions both soul and monster, it has the Beltrami orchestra and it fits Axl's description perfectly: it's very Sabbathy and contains the meanest bridge he ever sang.

1 minute ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

I can't wait for that bald-headed hipster fuck on YouTube to trash this song like all the others, lol.

I think he might actually dig these, at least Monsters, but you never know. Would be a shame if he didn't. But it'll probably be a while until he reviews them, unless GN'R drops them on streaming services next week, of course.

1 minute ago, Twinaleblood said:

Why? The song was fully fleshed out in 2000 and basically just missing a vocal track. If Axl has recorded vocals completely unheard before like The General / Monsters, it's possible that he also laid vocal tracks for other songs that were basically complete as far as the music went (Oklahoma could be another one, for example).

It's just that we have more evidence that Oklahoma has vocals because it was much more talked about and Axl actually said it had lyrics. If Elvis is Soul Monster, then we know it has vocals, but my current theory is Monsters is Soul Monster and Elvis might just be an instrumental that might even have influenced Monsters, given their similar vibe. Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe Elvis actually is Soul Monster or even Seven or any other finished song. I'm just betting with the information I have.

It's Seven, the last of the full Beltrami tracks, assuming Monsters is Soul Monster and Thyme is just an intro, which it looked like. Oklahoma is next and then is stuff like Zodiac 13, Cuban Skies, Tonto and the likes. I love Me & My Elvis, but assuming it's really not Soul Monster, I have my doubts it was actually finished.

If Monsters really is/was Soul Monster, and it sure sounds like it from Axl's own description, just release these on streaming services and throw Seven in there as well and then I can finally rest and watch the sunrise on a grateful universe.

I love both (or it, if they're two halves of one song). My favorite GN'R material since TWAT. I listened to these things all day, it's all I could do (pum intended). 

What intrigues me is... there was is this register of The General And Monster... is it one song with two halves or two songs glued into one? lol I mean, it shouldn't matter, but I'm just curious if Monster is/was Soul Monster.

We all thought Soul Monster was an evolved Me & My Elvis, but this is something else. It fits Axl's description of Soul Monster perfectly ("our most Sabbath moment" and "a bridge of pure, unadultered poison" or something like that). Also, let's not forger both The General and Soul Monster were worked on by Beltrami in the same sessions, so it makes sense if the became a single epic song. Very interesting. Hopefully we find out soon enough (and hopefully Monster is also on the vinyl and released on streaming services).

Anyway, can't stop listening to both. Very personal, heavy, dark lyrics. Definitely on the money about them being about child abuse. Alluring instrumental. Love Slash's work in these. Killer vocals. What's not to admire?

6 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Didn’t one of the three previous singles get released at midnight eastern time zone?

Yep. Absurd. So it's coming on streaming services either tomorrow morning, friday 12pm ET, next week's friday, any other friday or never. 🤡

15 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

Just heard it. It's fake, don't worry about it.

This will suck until we hear it, man. lol