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12 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said:

Axl doesn’t need rest, he needs to go to work. He’s showing up for paycheck day but there’s gotta be an effort with a vocal coach to get him going. I’m not saying he needs to scream his ass off on every song but with his natural speaking voice he should have a more soothing vocal than that mickey crap. He has to know it sucks, I’m sure he’s heard the videos so he’s likely aware, but having not found an alternative to that voice in 7 years is crazy. 

But the show seemed fun at the start. Looked like it dragged late into the long solos and long ballads, maybe should incorporate a “rocker” setlist for these festivals 

Maybe there is no alternative?

I mean the guy has been singing for a long timenow, I'm sure he is not choosing to take lower notes/crack songs on purpose or because he can't be bothered to figure out another way. 

I think perhaps something that is telling is the "owws" he does. In Brownstone it sounds like it could have come straight from UYI tour, by the time he gets to YCBM its a little mickey whimper but he is clearly using the same technique. In between that time he is clearly burning through a lot of reserves and by TIL he is clearly vocally tiring. That is when you start to get that mega unstable rasp, which sounds amazing when it comes off, but its just as likely to end in him either shortening a note, or more recently, having to lower it an octive lower.

I think the long solos/ballads and covers such as WL/BHS are inthere because his voice needs to recharge. If he doesn't get that time, he simply won't have a voice left by the end of the concert. I agree though, the 2nd half does go on too much, and perhaps shaving 30-45 mins of the set but keeping it at a decent nick would be better for a festival setting. I think something like down on the farm would be a good number, yes its technically another cover, but its in his current range.

PS, listen to the Jungle video above also, note in the "your going to die" how deep he starts and how he is lifting up using more of a chest drive, whereas in the old days that was head voice dominated, totally different sound, and also this is far rougher on the voice, I've blown out my voice on more than a few occasions doing something similar and over-extending.

1 hour ago, Pedrolg said:

 

It must be hard for Axl to be going through that. The man was an absolute powerhouse. Perhaps it is time to cherish whatever is left, support him a bit and go along with it. It's been a fantastic, if somewhat convoluted ride.

Whilst I do agree with your comment, I would say we have been down this road with Axl many times, I seriously thought during the SA 14 leg his voice had finally gone to rot, some of his efforts on that tour were truly terrible and his voice was ultra thin sounding, like there was nothing left in the tank. 2 years of rest and probably some vocal training for ACDC and suddenly he comes back very good with GnR and a total monster with ACDC.

He wouldn't be the first to have done so either, my personal favorite singer Freddie Mercury's voice turned to utter rubbish in early 79, in fact this video is VERY similar to TIL where he had to sing it lower because his voice gave in (the crack at the end of the first chorus is something impressive!).They also boosted up Brian's mike due to Freddie's singing problems.

Compared to this, same year (something like 8 months later)

Sorry for the detour, but its just to show that sometimes things change when you least expect them!

3 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Just tuning in..  Looks like the brought it?

Seemed like a decent concert overall, first half was better as the set seemed to flow quite nicely with a decent number of shorter and heavier songs, the 2nd half dragged from here, though I appriciate at the show it may feel different.

Need to see more videos from closer to the stage, but Slither seemed to get a great reaction from the crowd.I suspect the usual songs also got a similar reception further forward.

Axl's voice was...well a bit of everything would be fair! Some was very decent, spread in with mainly average, with a couple of real berlin style shockers (the first chorus of TIL again was really poor, and you could tell he was having a harder time than Denmark.)

Slither should get the pro shot treatment, if only for the crowd!

5 minutes ago, Sosso said:

Silther had Slash & Duff on the original recording, but it's still a cover for GN'R.

True, but that was a VR release no questions, to my knowledge Shadow never got released by Hollywood Roses in the same way, and only got released as a GnR song in 86, then again later as that B side, regardless of it origins.

Still, I don't think it matters, its Guns current single, and as such deserves its air time, plus Axl does a good job with it.

2 minutes ago, Joe Pedregal said:

i've seen all the concert in streaming, and after coma they play wish you were here...

Nah they did play WL 100%. It was Coma, WL then into WYWH.

1 minute ago, Sosso said:

That doesn't matter. The song was written by Axl, Izzy and Paul for Hollywood Rose, which makes it a cover.

How can a song you helped to write be a cover? 

Also from here, Slither and Shadow seemed the best, he seemed good with LALD as well. Patience was also decent.

Decent show. First part sounded decent enough, middle had some ok moments but also very ropey at times. Ending was not bad overall.

I have to say that middle part does slow the pace down so much, especially in a festival setting.

Just now, carola said:

Paradise.. Will they end half an hour early? 

Still 3hr set which isn't bad going really, longer than most.

Just now, Fitha_whiskey said:

Solid fuckin Nightrain

Me n Axl agree- ain’t no fuckin daylight train, it’s a motherfuckin Nightrain.

What is it? 9:30 local time? 

10.00 now. In peak summer it stays light quite late here, just gone dark in London, up north it may just go dark in time for PC.

Nightrain was ok considering how wobbly he has been during the middle of the set.

Also, quite obvious that his voice has deepened again between these shows and last year, the notes at the end of KOHD are now in his comfort spot, anything above and it's requiring effort.

Lol the pain train...I wonder for who though?!

I just hope he makes it through the set!

NR is ok to be fair.

1 minute ago, MYWIFEMYLIFE said:

Wichita lineman in Donnington? Are u fucking mad?

I get why it's played, basically it's a voice warm down song after Coma. Still it's not the song that you can mosh to!!

Just now, Joe Pedregal said:

Wish You Were Here / Layla / November Rain to follow...

Man that is a mellow 10 mins with WL, think they may lose some people in this block.

Ps it should be obvious why WL is there after Axls struggles with Coma. 

Just now, MildlyArtistic said:

I think Coma is a song that'd genuinely sound really good if Axl just sang the outro in his low register as opposed to his higher voice.

Could work your right. Even if he does have to up and down, it could work but he is going to have think it through.

Still that ending is hard for him to do.

1 minute ago, Bansidhe said:

What's with the Macho Man voice?

His voice literally has run out of gas so that is kinda the voice he falls into that is an octive below.

Ps, if used right it could sound decent I suppose, will take getting used to though!

1 minute ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Wow, unexpectedly menacing for Coma.    C'mon Axl!  

I missed due to crappy stream connection. Digging this middle part, sounds a little more...chill than normal?

Despite the lag and occasional drop, Spike has been a proper hero tonight with this stream 

Just now, Dangelus said:

I’m at Download, Axl struggling tonight. Feel for the guy as you can tell he’s pushing for something that’s not in the tank.

Yeah, sometimes it's coming out, other times it's a real struggle.

Yeah YCBM into TIL is a real struggle for the guy now, frankly both could probably be dropped at this point...

Ironically he is sing CW ok at the moment, though you can kinda tell he is right at the edge at times with his voice.

His voice becoming flatter and flatter towards the end of that 1st chorus!

Just now, Rickodez said:

He sounds extra raspy, sounds like some hidden turbo mode, not much control of how much rasp is enough and healthy.

It will be interesting how he copes with Civil War. Sometimes less is more with the rasp, especially if he is finding harder these days.