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I'm in the camp of wishing Lies had been a full length album...Anyone else hope we get at the very least some acoustic stuff from this lineup, if not another acoustic EP?

8 hours ago, toroymoi said:

lol, you're really reaching here. If all it takes to not get arrested is not verbally assaulting someone, it's quite easy. Just keeps your words and your whistles to yourself.

I'm not reaching.
You want the guy to be arrested, and convicted of a hate crime or "harassment" for one singular whistle.
He will likely go to prison. He will likely get raped there. Even if he is not raped, he will have "verbal assault" on his record for the rest of his life, and even though it is a minor crime, employers will be very hesitant to hire him, thus fucking over his future. A potential employer won't care to look over the details of the case; all they will see is the guy was arrested and convicted of a crime and decide not to hire him. All because you were offended at a 'whistle'. A whistle is not an 'assault'. Please grow up and stop being so sensitive.

1 minute ago, Len B'stard said:

How do you know he wont be the one doing the arse raping?

With a ascending tariff depending on how many fingers you use!

If a guy is wolf whistling likely the guy isn't the type to get laid all that often, likely as such not a strong or even very attractive guy. He'd be the one getting raped. 

31 minutes ago, toroymoi said:

Speaking from experience, there's a clear difference in how one speaks and the tone they use when it comes to genuinely speaking to someone vs cat calling.

and if someone's the former, if you say "sorry, I have to go" or whatever, they're understanding.

Yes, because he verbally harassed someone so that should be recorded. It's really quite easy to not shout things at random people on the street, surprisingly.

So the guy should:

1) Spend time in jail, and probably end up being ass raped and have to live with the lifelong trauma of that
2) Spend the rest of his life probably unable to get any decent job, and living out a shitty life

Because he whistled once at a woman, and did nothing more than that?

Are you trolling?

1 minute ago, Tom2112 said:

Women walk around all the time getting wolf whistled at my morons, and that's something most men don't really understand fully, but I imagine it would be intimidating to walk down a street and be whistled and heckled at, if I was on my own. Just don't fully agree with calling it a hate crime. Make it a crime, give it a penalty, call it a verbal assault. If it was in the workplace it would be a fireable offence. A large fine, or possible court appearance would deter people a lot more than calling it a hate crime. 

The problem is that there's a backlash happening at the moment with people feeling everyone is overly sensitive, so the wrong label on something like this undermines it a little IMO.

If a guy does it ONCE at an attractive woman passing, he should get a fine or be locked up and have "verbal assault" on his record, and be fucked in his life forever?
 

7 minutes ago, toroymoi said:

To you it may just be a whistle, but when I'm walking somewhere by myself it's intimidating. I just want to reach my location, and these men know nothing of value is to be gained from this, they do it because they know you don't like it. It's purposeful intimidation.

You realize in most cases it's just a guy being an idiot, though? That's all it really is. People are waaay too sensitive nowadays. I mean if you're walking somewhere after dark and the guy is following you and whistling and making lewd comments ("Ey Mamacita! Look at them jugs!"), I can understand feeling intimidated. But if you're on a city street in broad daylight, and some lonely unoffensive dude does it once, and you get scared, then that's more on you than on them. A guy shouldn't have a criminal record and be fucked for the rest of his life because you're overly sensitive. 

1 minute ago, toroymoi said:

You could classify it as one based on gender, like I said, cat-calling isn't the result of love, affection and respect.

These men do this simply because I'm a woman, I'm targeted because I'm a woman. That can fall under a hate crime.

It's not a "hate crime". A wolf whistle is simply a whistle. It's if anything a stupid compliment. Something to just roll one's eyes at or shake their head at. Now, if the whistling is followed by the man approaching the woman or following her or such or acting in an intimidating manner, then it's a crime.

3 minutes ago, Len B'stard said:

I think rape is a bit more than a hate crime Miser

They're just as bad, although it depends on how far the hate crime goes. I mean, I'd say a lynching is worse than a rape, technically speaking. 

It's a wolf whistle for Christsake. Not a rape.

On 7/15/2016 at 4:11 AM, Len B'stard said:

Whys it Karl Marxes fault?!? . I'm pretty sure there's nothing in Das Kapital about driving past Grace on her way home from work and shouting 'Oi big tits, looking for some action?!'.  

To be fair you could justifiably shout the same at McLeod too

On a serious note I dunno about the hate crime bit, I suppose it all depends on how girls feel about it and I ain't girl.  Does anybody wolf whistle anymore still?  

Look up the Frankfurt School for Critical Theory; it's a good place to start and see how we got here with regard to political correctness. Not Marx's fault, but his 1910s era followers who didn't understand why the whole world didn't follow Russia and revolt in a worker's revolution due to/after WWI. They eventually decided that a nation can't fall to Marxism unless the culture within it is "critiqued" or discredited and destroyed or dismantled, slowly; a non-violent revolution wherein rather than the leadership of the country changing, the values/morals/mores of the people are changed making them more open to Marxism; Eventually this train of thought branched out and you got things like Gender Studies and Race Studies courses - things aimed at forming a new class consciousness that was not based around traditional, openly Marxist terms like "Proletariat" or rich vs. poor, but by placing people in factions based on identity politics; dividing and conquering. Political Correctness is just a way to control the dialogue of the society in question and make anything which doesn't fit the narrative either outright illegal or socially illegal. Things like traditional masculinity, traditional relationships between males and females, race relations and so on have to be dismantled - so that there is no culture left to speak of - while a new Marxist culture, and then afterwards, a new Marxist government (because the people will already be thinking in Socialistic terms, without even realizing it) will then be imposed.

I just thought that without making a redundant thread, I might add my 0.02$ in...
I really enjoyed JW when it came out, as a huge fan of the franchise. I saw it twice. However, on reflection, I think, while it makes for a nice reboot of the franchise, it doesn't feel like any of the other films, and it feels a little like fanfiction at times. It is MUCH better than III, though.

But, overall, I also wanted to say that I think The Lost World gets waaaay too much hate, and I think it may be the best film in the series, or at least tied with the original for the title. It's got great action sequences, it's the ultimate dinosaur B-movie without being stupid, it's got a cool '90s environmentalist message at its core; outside of Vince Vaughn, I love the entire cast. It doesn't enchant the way the first film does, but it's just, for me, got that nostalgic something that makes me watch it more than the rest.

What year or period of time is your favorite for Axl's vocals, which do you feel was/is his best?

Bands have this weird tendency of having members quit when Axl becomes one of them.

1 hour ago, dalsh327 said:

I was doing some research in Ancestry.com on my family (most libraries have it), but then I typed "Sharon Lintner" in there and a few things came up, her death certificate,  her social security info, and a high school photo, the addresses where she lived. 

She had to have been 15 or 16 when she had Axl, not clear on when she married Axl's dad (would have to find local newspapers), but she remarried in 1966 and stayed married to him until she passed. It's likely she dropped out and never graduated at the time. 

The death certificate made it seem like she found out she had cancer when it was too far gone (it went to her brain) and died 2 months later. 

There's a couple of classroom photos of her from the 1962 yearbook (same school Axl went to) and Axl and Amy definitely look like her, but the photo quality kind of sucks. 

She was born in 1945. She was 17 when Axl was born.

Fun Fact: Axl's brother Stuart had a band called The Assassins. Axl was set to release their debut album through GN'R's Uzi Suicide label in 1995. For some reason, never happened:

ROSE HAS found time for a couple of interesting projects inbetween court dates, though. Firstly, he has been keeping an eye on the forthcoming official biography of Guns N' Roses. Somewhat pessimistically titled Shattered Illusion, it's due for publication in 1995 and has been written by Axl's long-time friend and lyrical collaborator, Del James. The book is understood to be the inside story of the band with a great deal of input from the vocalist's side. It's sure to be both an entertaining and controversial read!

From a musical point of view, Rose has turned his attention to resurrecting GN'R's own label, Uzi Suicide, which they used to launch their debut EP, 'Live ?!*@ Like A Suicide'.

With distribution lined up via Geffen, Rose organised a showcase gig for Geffen execs featuring four of the bands he's interested in. They are Soul, Davy's Farm, Salt Of The Earth and The Assassins.

Davy's Farm are now close to a deal, while Soul will have an EP out early next year, plus a Del James-directed video.

The Assassins are also close to inking a deal, and can expect a huge amount of publicity when they do sign, as they feature Axl's brother Stuart Bailey on guitar. Bailey was previously best-known as a vocalist with Dr. Whiskey. The Assassins' music, which Bailey has a hand in writing, is in the currently hot Southern Rock vein being pursued by the likes of Pride & Glory, and on the softer side, Blind Melon (another band Axl has helped out).

Uzi Suicide re-released all of Hanoi Rocks' back catalogue on CD in the US last year. Rose and Slash have often acknowledged the debt they owe to the seminal Glam tarts, who were led by Michael Monroe, currently with Demolition 23.

If GN'R is to release a new album, what would you prefer it be comprised of?

There's also this from '94

2 hours ago, EvanG said:

Which song on UYI do you consider trash metal?

I think it's good that they tried to experiment a bit more with the UYI albums instead of trying to do the same thing again... that's boring for (most) musicians. And let's be honest, it's not like they pulled a Radiohead and almost changed genre. UYI still sounded familiar enough to satisfy most fans. 

The fact that there is not a lot of consistency on it is because there were several songwriters in the band and they all wanted their ideas on it and a lot of stuff was written separately from each other and not together like during the Appetite days. In most bands there's only one or two songwriters so there's usually more of a consistency going on then. But I don't see that as a bad thing at all.

 

I'd say Garden of Eden and Coma are Thrash Metal.

2 minutes ago, 1neophyte said:

No.

But think about the amount of changes GN'R expected fans to accept in one gulp with the UYIs:

-New drummer

-New pianist

-New sound

-Less Izzy

As I said, I love the UYIs but it can't be denied they represented in many ways, a gigantic leap for a band that had to date only put out one full record of material. I mean they went from With The Beatles to The White Album pretty much overnight, musically speaking.

12 minutes ago, metalms said:

To this day I swear that was Axl's stand in ; 0 )

When the UYIs were released, GN'R really only had one full length album out. AFD had a very consistent sound, a very consistent production and a very consistent sort of atmosphere and vibe to it. If you want to consider Lies, the new side of Lies was again, very consistent in sound and style - all acoustic tracks. All of the sudden, their next album was this all-over the place, sprawling epic which ran the gamut of almost every subgenre of rock out there, trying everything from Thrash Metal, Country Rock and Prog to Psychedelia and Power Ballads. The UYIs (IMO) have the overall better songs, but there is no consistency to the material, both in genre and in quality - everyone has their favorites on that double set, and the songs they hate as well. Whereas most fans and most casual listeners love almost everything on AFD.

Most bands spend several years and several records refinining and perfecting their sound before they try to experiment; GN'R put out one album in a very specific style, and then threw the kitchen sink and pretty much released a double album after that. Other bands, like AC/DC, find a formula that works and stick with that forever. GN'R was the other extreme, and I think it hurt them. There is an abundance of great material on the UYIs, but, you go from Rocket Queen to November Rain over the course of a single full album jump, I imagine for a lot of novices, and even for a lot of fans circa 1991, that can be quite an alienating, mind fucking experience.

My question to you is, should GN'R have put out one or two more sleazy, anthem focused hard rock records ala AFD, say in 1988 and 1989, before releasing the UYIs? Might it have not only helped GN'R's legacy, but also helped the reception and legacy of the Illusion records, too?

 

Anyone else love his reviews? Also, can anyone recommend similar retro game reviewers?

Frank Ferrer is the Pete Best of GN'R.

It was kinda doomed from the start. Axl had this idea of playing Build A Band where he'd take these people who were really different musically and otherwise, throw them in a blender together regardless of whether or not their personalities meshed or their playing styles produced any chemistry, and put them in a band together. Then, he had them on a tight leash, producing instrumentals which he would micromanage, slice, dice and chop up or overdub at will, while telling them to play within a certain limit (to make it sound like, what was to him, "Guns N' Roses"). It must've been a very creatively stifling process for all involved; I can't imagine Buckethead or Bumblefoot for example even LIKED most of the material they were playing. And, who knows how much of each part of every song isn't a cut and paste job from various sessions lasting over a decade?

This wasn't like Axl forming a new band with a bunch of guys who were all on the same page and wanted the same general thing - it was just stitching together a sorta Frankenstein band from these utterly different people and hoping for the best.

1 hour ago, ZoSoRose said:

Miser. $200 bucks will get you a pretty good seat this tour. You can get it  the door for under $100, i say you go just for the hell of it.

I fully support Guns and tend to disagree with Diesel, but come on... you damn well know what he means 

After rent, food etc I only have about $100 a month to use on anything...Which usually goes to bus fare and whatnot to be honest. Believe me if I had the cash, I'd go. I invested in a $40 Nighttrain membership hoping I'd get decent tix for the Jersey shows and the lowest prices were around $250 even during the presale for me.