HeartbreakerWoman

1 hour ago, Top-Hatted One said:

You never go full Elton!!!

if you're elton you do! 

anyne else love Led Zeppelin  just as much or tie with GN'R? Theyre the best rock band ever !! <3 <3 Robert's voice was heaven <3 <3

19 hours ago, Len B'stard said:

And therein lies the problem.  How can you have such lack of fuckin' foresight and understanding of the dynamics of songs that you claim to be fans of?  I bet they thought they were gonna make em better than the originals, like thats what punk shit lacked, a budget   Nobheads.

kina is what the originals lanked...the originals sound like demos...even elvis or jerry lee lewis or chuck berry's earliest rawest stuff sounded better put together

7 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

There is something to be said about a guitar combo where the rhythm guitarist does his job, takes a backseat and plays solid rhythm that compliments the lead guitarist. This isn't the case with all bands but this is a dynamic that works and works well for bands like AC/DC, Aerosmith and all of Slash's bands including Guns N' Roses. That is why it never worked out with Zakk Wylde in the 90's and it isn't working great now. It appears Fortus has an ego too big to just take a backseat. Slash shouldn't have to adjust the way he plays his own damn songs.. Fortus should be happy he is part of this and adjust the way he does things now that Slash is back. I don't care how long he was in Axl's cover band. 

can you post an example of Rick trying to mess with Slash? Cause I can't hear him on most of the songs at all I just hear Slash.

Axl looks like himself for the first time since the 90s. He looks like what youd expect an older man Axl to look like. no jerseys no cornworns haha!

On 4/29/2016 at 3:36 AM, xBrownstonex said:

Yea, i love that asian couple, like they dont know what the fuck is happening.

The old asian guy looks a lot like George Takai. "Oh My!" <3

Obv AFD is my GNR record but TSI is my 2nd fav album. Its their only album that captures the raw fun and punky spirit of GN'R (being a punk cover album helps this). it's not epic or deep but it's a nice refreshing treat to always listen to, just GN'R having fun which is rare and the songs they picked are obscure but cool to listen to. I love the UYI records but TSI is not only mixed a lot better, Matt also shines on TSI and Axl's voice is much better on TSI as well. My only complaint is Duff sings too many songs.But is it anyone else's 2nd fav GNR album?

Its a reboot.

21 hours ago, killuridols said:

Yeah, Axl did all those things but knowing Slash, we all know Slash wouldn't be up to have Ashba mimicking him onstage.

It sounds weird to me that Axl wouldn't know better at this point.

Axl does know Better. He said so in a song.

Lyke in Duff's book he says he told Axl they weren't the kinda band to high five one another which made him sad...I mean guys look at the Stones they hate each other but when they're on stage the magic is still there n' theyre older men...Slash an Duff just dont seem happy..Theres no chemistry...Lok at Led Zeppelin in their days, those boys were not only sexy tarts but they genuinely had fun performing and making their music, since 1989 or so, its always seemed tense under the surface. I don't think a record inspired by happy feelings would be too bad, it'd be a nice changeup...Can't stay gloomy and angry at the world when youre 50s...I just want the boys to enjoy what they do and they just seem to be goin thru the motions which is sad. Been lookin forward to seeing them all my life and its a bummer.

I don't mean in terms of lyricism obviously but like, just enjoying themselves live or otherwise? W/ the regrouping been watchin a ton of old clips from 88-93 nd they didn't seem to enjoy each other's company much even then...there seems to always been an underlying sorta tension. And with the 'regrouping', everyone just seems to be phoning it in outside of Axl N' Richard...In so far as no one seems motivated or pepped up live besides those two. I'm not expectin everyone to be best friends but it doesn't seem like the boys have ever enjoyed each other's company at least on stage.

37 minutes ago, RONIN said:

Izzy never missed a single gnr gig even when he was a full blown heroin junkie. This whole " Izzy is unreliable" schtick is a revisionist Axl fairytale. Let's not forget that Izzy was the only guy who showed up in Chicago ready to work on UYI material -- he stopped giving a shit once he saw how the band was in total disarray (mostly due to Axl not showing up as usual).

Izzy didn't record as much stuff for UYI because by the time the band got their shit together, he had already mentally checked out. Those Chicago UYI sessions destroyed the morale of the old band as Duff mentioned in his book.

As for VR, he didn't want to deal with a lead singer (turns out he saw the writing on the wall with Scott). He offered to share singing duties with Duff - Slash didn't go for it and that was that. 

Ironic that conjecture of his so called "unreliability" is coming mainly from the redhead who is the textbook definition of unreliable.

Izzy was cut out of rejoining the band over money -- it's the only explanation that makes sense. The guy who cofounded the band and wrote more than half the band's catalogue is nowhere to be seen.

Meanwhile, you have some sadly deluded people on this forum talking about how a journeyman session guitarist is a better fit for gnr than Izzy because he played izzys songs on tour and collected a paycheck from Axl for 15 yrs. And now apparently he's even a better lead guitarist than Slash and needs to share in lead guitar duties for GNR. There are even people here who consider the bumblefoot years to be the glory days of guns (i am not making this up). The guns fanbase is like the Republican party -- batshit crazy.

Actually Slash and Duff were the only guys to show up to Chicago. Izzy showed up a few weeks late and Axl showed up about a month late, and when Axl trashed the hotel room they were staying out, Izzy bailed. Read Duff's book on that score.

Just as a way to hear all the nifty multi tracks of all the songs?

46 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

They know but are getting too much $$ to care anymore.

If this "isn't GN'R" and is worse than NuGNR and is a fake tribute band, why did you go to the Vegas show? 

It's a reboot. Not a reunion.

On 4/24/2016 at 0:23 AM, W 23 Axl III said:

In your classic two guitar band, one guitar is the lead and the other steps way back as the rhythm guitarist. 4tus hasn't realized NO ONE is there to see him. It didn't matter in NuGNR b/c there was no Slash and lines were blurred. NOW, there is no blurring of lines....Slash is the lead...there should be a quiet, non-dynamic rhythm player...who is just in the background, providing a landscape for Slash to play over, simply playing chords in a reserved manner. 

Instead, 4tus is acting like he is now the lead or sharing the lead, and it just doesn't work and Slash obviously feels this. Slash has no interest in competing with 4tus for the guitar limelight - he doesn't have to, he is Slash!!

This could wind up being a big problem if 4tus doesn't step back real fast. Again, NO ONE wants to see or hear 4tus. Gilby knew the role to play - 4tus doesn't. It's not working and probably won't get better.

4tus is a poser who doesn't understand his new role. Slash doesn't need to compete with him, but 4tus is forcing the issue. NO CHEMISTRY here, its plain and obvious. 4tus won't force Slash to "up his game", ala Axl's plan with with Zack in the 90s. 4tus is just messing up what the fans want - a free and happy Slash taking over his rightful role as the lead guitarist of his band, GNR. 

You've never heard of The Rolling Stones, have you?

-Sigh- guys we spent 20 years wanting Slash back in the band. We got Duff, too. And we've got a pretty cool rhythm guitarist. 4 of the 6 guys on the Illusion stage are there. Isn't that enough?

2 minutes ago, BlackHoleGravity said:

I disagree, Fortus is much more technical and schooled in music theory than past players like Izzy or Gilby...not saying that makes him better for the band, it's just a fact. I don't remember Izzy or Gilby doing much guitar solo duty live...not sure about recordings. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXuDS5t935g

By the time GN'R got bloated and into prolonged solo spot territory Izzy was already gone...But live if you listen to bootlegs from 88 Slash and Izzy trade leads, and like I said, listen to the multi tracks...Both were lead and rhythm players. Slash was "the" lead player in the sense that he was more easily recognizable and "sellable" in that role. But Slash and Izzy were equally lead and rhythm on AFD at least.

The AFD booklet has it as such:

Axl Rose - All lead vocals, backing vocals, synths, and percussion

Slash: Lead, rhythm and acoustic guitars
Izzy: Rhythm, lead guitars, backing vocals and percussion
Duff: Bass guitar and backing vocals
Steven: Drums

37 minutes ago, BlackHoleGravity said:

The 16 year comment came off to me as a slightly veiled jab at Slash, who is probably a little insecure about the whole guitar arrangement in the band right now. Fortus is a great player who, from a purely technical standpoint, is more advanced than Slash...while Slash is a one in a million classic player, because of his unique style, tone, compositions, etc. I have never seen Slash in a regular band situation where he is not the sole lead player, the fact that they are more of a dual lead guitar player band now, is a major concession for him.  All IMO, of course...

Richard has quite a bluesy style actually....And yes, Slash has...Izzy played rhythm and leads on AFD and they switched solos and lead parts on the AFD tour. Listen to the multitracks of Welcome to the Jungle one day, for example. You'll find almost all of the lead work on it is by Izzy. Izzy does the lead work as well as the main solos on Jungle...He also played lead and did the solo on Think About You and I am sure several other songs on AFD. GN'R as of 1986-1987 was a band where while Slash was "the" lead guitarist in name, you had on record and live essentially two lead players switching between lead and rhythm, kind of the way Keith Richards and Ronnie Wood do it live. It's not a situation where it's Slash and some overpowered, monster lead guy like Zakk Wylde...Richard is much closer to Izzy in that he is a rhythm guy who can also do leads and solos...It's a very similar dynamic to that of AFD.

26 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

Yes, they were. GNR had five members (Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy & Steven), and now have three. This picture THEY posted sums it up well.

All the other guys were hired guns. Some of them (like Matt and Richard IMO) were/are better than others (Pitman, Paul Huge, DJ, Frank).

And as much as I love Matt, I think the idea of him being key to GNR success is nonsense. Any decent drummer would have made it work with the amazing songs and the success they already had. Maybe it would have sounded a bit worse with someone else, or maybe better but those albums were gonna be amazing regardless of the drummer. In fact, I'm sure I would like those albums better if Steven was able to play on them.

If you ignore the 1996-2014 era, GN'R has been a three member band in practice since 1989. Read Duff's book. Izzy contributed lyrics, melodies and songs to the UYIs but stopped being a day-to-day member of the band or part of the decision making process long before he actually quit. He basically had already in a sense quit the band long before November 1991. It's why Slash had to double up for him on most of the UYIs. Once GN'R became a stadium act full of junkies and egos, and when Steven got the boot and Matt came in and changed the sound, Izzy lost interest.
 

Axl, 1992: "I read in an interview where Matt [Sorum, drummer] said that if he didn't get made a member, he wasn't going to be in Guns N' Roses. The truth of the matter is, Matt's a member of GN'R, but it doesn't really mean anything. It's kind of like a clubhouse/gang thing. We're all members of this gang. What it boils down to is, whose yard is the tree house in? Matt's a member of GN'R, and his opinions are taken into consideration. As far as that's concerned, Gilby is a member too, Dizzy is a member of the band. With all the background singers, horn players, keyboardists - we look at it like we're all Guns N' Roses. But the bottom line is, the business is basically run by Slash and myself. Then we run whatever it is we're discussing by Duff and see if he's cool with it. Guns N' Roses is basically Slash, Duff, Doug Goldstein and myself, but there's a lot of other people involved that are a part of our lives and a part of our family."

41 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Because Matt and Gilby fit in and had instant musical chemistry.. They were GREAT live..

This band.. While there have been great moments, not so much.. I would attribute that mostly to Frank and Fortus. They may have been great in NuGuns but standards are higher now.

 

 

Gilby was barely audible most of the time. He looked good but sonically...His contribution with Slash gave us It's Five O'Clock Somewhere...Not exactly the most inspiring material, especially when you consider that they wrote it for GN'R. Matt sounded like a drum machine live. He is the weak link of the UYIs along with Axl's stupid overdubs and killed the AFD songs live to a much greater degree than Frank ever could. The swinging intro of Brownstone became a thud, thud, thud da da thud chug with Matt, for example. The entire rhythm of the band changed with Matt. Gone was the sloppy, punky vibe of 1988 and in its place was an overly precise lineup. Even Izzy didn't like him. Frank isn't perfect, but at least he's not a masher like Matt was. Matt turned a punk/metal/hard rock band into a pure metal act.

Also, the band was already mega huge before Matt came into the picture...His presence had a negligible effect on their level of success. It wasn't like legions of music fans jumped on board because Matt Sorum joined. Actually, the UYI records sold less than Appetite, so if you want to use sales as an argument, one could say Matt's presence actually theoretically could have hurt the band. That's not my argument obviously, but I'm just saying...Using Matt being inducted into the HoF because he contributed to the band's success is a stretch. Every single member who has been in Guns has contributed to the success to greater and lesser degrees. Paul Huge played on the Slash & Duff era band's last single...So, by sheer virtue of his presence, he contributed to Guns having a hit single in 1994.

Why is it a big deal that Richard and Frank are there, but it wasn't a big deal when Gilby and Matt were there? All things being equal, they're all replacements, but I don't see near the amount of negativity towards Gilby or Matt that is leveled toward Richard and Frank. From a technical point of view, if Matt and Gilby are GN'R, then Richard and Frank should be considered such too. 

7 hours ago, Nosaj Thing said:

He is a hired hand.  Additional musician, if you will.

No false information being spread.  

Was Matt Sorum a hired hand? Gilby Clarke?

9 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

The band sounded a lot better when he was in the band.. And at the R&RHOF.. And when he joined Slash's band onstage..

You could barely hear Gilby most of the time. GN'R was never a one guitar band. Izzy is more prominent on AFD than Slash is on a good chunk of the songs.