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12 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Yes, we are talking about the same thing. Everybody noticed that voice because he never sang like that before.

Not sure if Steven still sings the song like that. I saw him last year but I can barely remember I was singing myself all the time

But here's what I'm talking about. The same thing Axl did in "Better". I put the mark at 3.24 and he does it again from 3.37 until 3.43 and at 3.55 he sings all the lines with that "demon" voice. You can put the song from the beginning and notice he doesn't start singing it like that.

 

 

 

Huh okay, never heard Steven Tyler sing like that. I get what you mean now, but I still think Axl sounds really awesome when he does that, while this Dream On doesn't really impress me.

So Axl's never done that again since the Apollo show?

8 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I seriously want them to play Oh My God. I will forever be obsessed with that song 

I would like that too.

In fact I would like Slash and Duff to add their touches to the song (or to even completely rework it) to make the song as great as it deserves to be.

That song has so much potential, there's just a tiny something missing from it somehow.

24 minutes ago, killuridols said:

OMG no please

Isn't it the same voice he used to record "I Don't Care About You" on The Spaghetti Incident? or sort of....

At the Apollo show thread I commented that voice reminded me of Steven Tyler when he sings "Dream On" live... he does that voice sometimes as well but I don't think its cool to use for an entire song, just a couple lines is ok.

Anyway, Better live is a disgrace. I don't like any version of it. The album version still wins all over (IMO).

Are we talking about the same thing? I don't know how exactly Steven Tyler sings Dream On these days, but I wasn't talking about the high screachy bits, but the lines he sings really deep. It also doesn't really sound like "I Don't Care About You" to me (which I dislike).

I was only talking about the first time(s) he sings "now I know you better, you know I know better" during the chorus (he then repeats the "now I know you better" line in a less pleasant, screachy tone of voice.)

Like from 3:09 to 3:13 in this video (and also from 2:14 to 2:18).

I'm really digging what he's doing there and I want more of it, its sounds really awesome to me.

9 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Madagascar used to be good live 

Yeah. SoD (or The Blues as it was called then) was pretty good too imo.

Bring back Madagascar and The Blues

These last couple of posts hurt my brain, they don't even make sense

Anyway, our lovely mod said to drop it so I have a question for those who have been following or attending the shows:

Axl's demon voice.

The thing he did during Better at the Apollo show.

Did he ever do that again? Does he sing Better like that at every show now or was it a one-off thing?

Because I thought that was really cool. Sounded "better" than anything I've heard from him in a long time. Really powerful and operatic?

Tbh, I wish he would sing entire songs like that.

Or record new songs with that voice.

14 minutes ago, killuridols said:

"It's not hard to appear intelligent next to the likes of Vince Neil, Brett Michaels, James Hetfield, Steven Adler, drunk off their asses Sluff, etc."

Yes, that's exactly what I think too..... He appears normal to me, an average intelligent guy. The random shit he knows is probably because he likes reading random stuff and he also has a different income of experiences than the regular person- He's always meeting people, travelling to places, partying and talking to all kinds of human beings. As he would say "experience makes you wise".... and appear above average intelligence, lol

This is from my very own vault

Yes, I agree.

And thanks for the videos, never seen these before.

9 minutes ago, Asia said:

How do we know they travel seperately? Except for the fact that the last time Slash was going somewhere else on his way, so it was pretty obvious he would go seperately. Also that doesn't necesairily mean anything. I often like to travel seperately even from the people I'm really close with because I hate that adjusting, waiting for someone and all other shit associated with that that always stresses me out far more than if I travel alone If I have a choice, I prefer to meet people at the place of destination  

Well, to me the evidence of him being intelligent are most of his lyrics. Stupid people can't write good, smart lyrics and he's written plenty of those (although some stupid as well). I think Axl is intelligent but uneducated and his lack of education caused him to fall for many fraudulent people and make many mistakes he probably wouldn't have made had he been more knowlegable.

Well like I said, I don't think he's stupid, just that people tend to exaggerate his intelligence a lot. In addition to uneducated, I'd also add naive (at least back in the day) and with no familial support system. Kids learn a lot from the families they grow up in, and if that family is not particularly great, a kid is at a disatvantage right from the start and also later on in life when other people can rely on parents for advice and guidance, while people like Axl are on their own easily fall victim to all kinds of dumb shit.

40 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Yes, I know and I followed you on it because I think the same. Plus, I have read a lot about intelligence, IQ tests and even have taken one and I really can't see what people see in Axl that would make him "Highly Intelligent", as those things are usually shown in very specific areas that none of us would have access to here.

And yeah, I agree that even if he was above average, that doesn't mean anything and it is not a shield to prevent diseases, mental diseases, failures, breakdowns and disappoinments.

47 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Genuine question: why are people questioning Axl's intelligence?  The guy is intelligent.  You can just tell by listening to him.  If nothing else, Slash has said repeatedly, that Axl is intelligent.  In fact his words were that Axl is 'super, super intelligent and a very astute individual' (that part came from the interview where he was asked to state Axl's good qualities).  Genius? Probably not, I don't know.  Who has called him a genius?  But he is a smart guy.  I don't really know how that can be in doubt?

Because I've never seen any evidence of Axl being particularly intelligent, similar to what @killuridols said. I'm not denying that Axl is musically gifted and he also seemed to have been a moderatly gifted child academically speaking, but the latter isn't really anything exceptional. Tons of people manage to fly through school with minimum effort (myself included). He also is a very introspective guy and know lots of random stuff, so that probably strikes some people as intelligent as well when he's talking, but all in all... I'm not seeing it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Axl is stupid, but I do feel people tend to exaggerate his supposed intelligence a lot. Maybe he also just appears intelligent to people because of who his peers are and the environment people associate him with- 80s hair metal mouth breathers. It's not hard to appear intelligent next to the likes of Vince Neil, Brett Michaels, James Hetfield, Steven Adler, drunk off their asses Sluff, etc.

But please, let's not get into this again. The entire debate is linked to in the thread index anyway, if you really want to read up on it.

40 minutes ago, killuridols said:

We all know Slash can be fake like that, lol... He hugged Beta for the camera and Meegan is just sweet and polite as usual. Fawning over the kids is normal as little kids usually trigger nice feelings, hahaha....

It's all part of the circus, IMO. They had to spend a lot of time together in Europe and other countries. Now, look at them travelling separately and not a the same time, they are back to the routine of being just  co-workers.

I know Slash can be one fake snake if it suits him, but still... all this stuff is pretty lol to me. We'll have to wait and see I guess how this whole thing turns out. Slash better write another book.

18 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

At Reading, Axl totally fucked up and was late and had the plug pulled on him, literally! and then ended up doing a silly protest on the stage  Then his Twitter got "hacked" and somebody cancelled Leeds and the UK tour  Reading/Leeds is a big festival here, broadcast on the radio. 

I agree, there must have been multiple reasons for his heavy drinking and him just looking more and more like he was giving up and didn't want to be out there on the stage any more. 

I hope he never has another episode like it again, 2001/2 then 2011-14  

The Duff involvement has always puzzled me, he was only there for that London show in 2010 and then the opening slots in 2011, if I am remembering right? Then izzy was there in 2012 and then Duff again in 2014? Were they taking turns in "Axl watch" 

Oh okay, thanks for the reminder. I was vaguely aware of this, but had forgotten the details. I also still remember when Axl's twitter got "hacked". Didn't that happen more than once even? And then TB claimed it was hacked, while everyone else thought Axl had just had some kind of breakdown again and TB was doing damage control.

Yeah, these years in particular are very puzzling. Though Axl's entire life since 1994 is one big mystery imo. All the constant cycles of disappearing for years, then reappearing again for some time (either in a good or worrying constitution), then disappearing again... I really want him to write a book and explain wha the hell has been going on with him these past decades.

And taking turns in "Axl watch"? Well who knows. Stranger things have happened in GNR land. Maybe you're onto something. Because even when they weren't around themselves, they still seemed to keep tabs on him. Didn't Duff say that he and Axl started communicating via Whatsapp a lot (knock knock jokes, iirc )? It's possible Duff was in constant contact with Axl that way through these years. Izzy was still trying to talk sense into Axl in 2012 (the RRHOF thing), who knows what happened since then, but Axl seems pretty happy when talking about Izzy at the moment, so I assume things can't be too bad between them.

2 hours ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

I would be very sad if this tour is the end of GNR! They had a blast in the stage! I was so happy with the Trump-North Korea rant! But people didn't know about it...it was all over the news!

Trump-North Korea rant?

An actual rant?

18 minutes ago, Natalia92 said:

NEVER EVER said that.  I just believe that Axl might have some deeper issues that prevented him form making his own family ( like his traumatic childhood for example ) until the age of 55, so it is highly unlikely that this is going to change now, unless I don't know he finds a way to sort out his issues. To blame it on Tb is kind of superficial and unfair. I honestly wish him the best anyway. Noone of us knows what exactly goes on in his life and I find it quite repulsive that some people post like they have an insight in his personal life, spilling hatred for people they don't really know personally. And I'm not referring to you Asia  goodnight! 

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to at least distrust TB.

And the bits and pieces we do know about are more than enough to make me question their motives and to make me think they're capable of some seriously shady shit.

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

When Slash hugged Beta though.. it looked so sincere and sweet. 

That's what I wonder about too.

It makes sense to keep things professional and polite with TB. But cuddling Beta and constantly commenting on their social media and fawning over the TB kids and stuff- that seems over the top and like more effort than necessary to achieve a smooth business relationship.

2 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Because in 2010 he was doing really good, then he went off the rails in NY and the whole Reading thing and then he was kind of OK for a bit and then he lost his voice, started getting fat, looked like he didn't care any more... 

Thats what happened. In that time frame he gives 2010-2015, it is stating the bleeding obvious though for anyone who saw him in that time period (especially after 2011) 

I think this is why when Axl is seen drinking now you see some posters really don't like it, because they don't want him to go back that way. 

What was the whole Reading thing you mention again?

I always assumed that Axl felt depressed in the years after the CD release, since CD wasn't as well received as he'd hoped for and with every year that went by, he became more unhappy and more uncertain about what to do.

Which caused all the drinking and his lack of caring.

That one show (RIR 2011) where he seemed completely out of it and forgot all the lyrics and would sometimes just stare off into the distance as if he was going to cry any minute was the worst for me.

On the other hand, those are also the years Duff was back in his life and working on Axl, until he reached a point where he felt a reunion was not out of the question anymore and also suddenly started looking better again and even dared to do the whole AC/DC thing (I think the Axl in the years before wouldn't have considered such a daunting task).

So alternative wild theory (with tons of holes): Maybe Duff knew something (something different than what I described above) was wrong with Axl and decided to step in? Maybe Axl was right and the London meeting was no coincidence, but planned and arrganed by Duff? And ever since then Duff basically stuck by Axl's side and subtly worked his magic on him until we reached the point we're at now.

35 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Yeah, also the theory of Axl being "highly intelligent" is plain bullshit.....

The theory of TB controlling Axl has more legs than anything else and when we talk about it we are basically talking about his personal life. There's enough evidence of Axl being helpless..... as recently shown in the videos of the missing car.........

Yeah, TB manipulating Axl sounds more plausible to me than Axl being "highly intelligent" (but then again, I'm the guy who once started the "how intelligent is Axl really?" debate here because I don't believe in this whole genius Axl idea.)

And even if Axl was really intelligent, so what? Intelligent people can still be very vulnerable emotionally, easily taken advantage of, suffer from mental health issues etc., all of which can make them easy prey for the right (or rather wrong) kind of people.

32 minutes ago, Nosaj Thing said:

13 minutes ago, Nosaj Thing said:

You are unable to see the dog excrement that is Sorry when compared to Myles' generic radio station lyrics.  Odd.

I'd rather listen to Sorry than most of Myles' stuff any day.

2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Some of Myles' lyrics are not bad. There is nothing excruciatingly painful as 'Sorry' in there.

No, Sorry lyrics, while questionable, are amusing at least, Myles' stuff is just generic and boring.

Who is this insider supposed to be and why are people just believing him and taking this seriously? I don't get it.

39 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

And he is one of those who believes Axl and Vanessa have a relationship and that child is his... hmmmm. 

This is... a thing?

As in an actual theory that people believe in?

First time I've heard of that. Where did that come from?

(Also, who's Surfer Dude then if not Vanessa's husband? A fake pretend huband?  But I don't believe it because the little girl looks exactly like Surfer Dude. Same nose, face, everything. He's clearly her father.)

LOL thanks, @Andy14 

And Slash is smiling at Axl in nearly all of these (in those where you can see his face at least lol)

27 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

Axl more on edge? I disagree with you on this one...have you seen the latest pics from the past few shows? Even the fans have commented how on this NA tour, he is so much more relaxed, happy,  and smiley compared to last year's NA tour. 

I do think Axl and Slash are fine....I have watched all of their shows and they seem just peachy. Did you guys see the pic of the big 3 from Little Rock? Grinning from ear to ear they were.  They are side by side most of the time on stage too...lots of pics of them together. As far as Tako, she told someone that she is retired and uses her savings to travel the world and follow Guns. She must have saved since she was 5 haha!

Yeah, he's still smiley and happy, but some recent stuff like the nightclub incident or the security fuckhead incident (not to mention him completely forgetting his twitter account, despite being glued to his smartphone all the time seemingly) give me pause. Up until now, Axl was behaving perfectly, and now we start seeing flashes of the old Axl again suddenly. I'm not saying this necessarily has to mean anything, but I certainly noticed it.

And okay, guess Tako had a good job. All these tickets, flights and hotels must cost her a fortune.

19 minutes ago, killuridols said:

I didn't know her before the reunion but soon enough I noticed she would only focus on Slash and then I scrolled back to her past photos and discovered she had been following Slash and his bands for quite some time and it looked to me like she was an Slashite of the kind that didn't follow nuGN'R nor Axl. She came back with the reunion and first thing that called my attention was her at the Troubadour show, front row, turning towards Slash side and only banging to him.... like Axl was 10cm next to her and she would turn her whole body and head to Slash, like deliberately showing off she was there for Slash and not the rest of the band.

That shit made me aware of the kind of fan she is and now I'm completely surprised by her comments on Facebook. I'm still not understand what happened for her to change her mind like that when she's been allowed everywhere and has taken 2000000 pictures of Slash. Even Meegan likes her photos and shit....

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if Axl was to show a girlfriend or wife.

Now with all the Slash mess... I've been thinking if Axl is even allowed to have a woman and go public with her. Maybe he does have one but she's covered under several masks

She doesn't go to GN'R shows only. Going by her pictures, she's always at a rock show.... I think she's a photographer and so is her husband, but not sure, really.

Maybe her and other fans (like the one @MillionsOfSpiders just mentioned) not getting special treatment by Slash anymore is pissing her off?

I agree that these people need to realize that Slash is not a small act anymore now and what they have come to expect isn't possible anymore.

As for Axl having a girlfriend.......... jeeeez, the creeps and psychos it would probably bring out of the woodwork. We'd need a whole thread just for creep watch.

4 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

The fuck did I just watch?

(So since useless Jordan is there, does that mean Axl was taking the video? j/k)

25 minutes ago, Asia said:

What? Can you elaborate on that?

Sorry, it's your quote of course,  @MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle

Oh, yeah, sure More like completely fascinated with one another. I mean this argument doesn't hold. Of course Slash was more or less wasted or drunk pretty much all of the time between the day they started and until they broke up but does it mean that each of his behaviours should be interpreted that way? I don't think so. And he was the least drunk and wasted during shows - playing guitar takes some precision and if he was really gone he'd be fucking up all of the time. And it was rather rarely that he did.

Right now nobody really knows how things are going between them but judging on the basis of the lack of Slaxl moments on stage is far fetched. First of all Slash is so concentrated he doesn't see anything but the guitar most of the time. Second, everybody is scrutinizing and discussing every little moment they come in contact with one another for another week, I think it might be a little intimidating. In the early days there were no you tube videos and nobody cared which is why, I think, they could easily allow themselves for more. Also they are much more easy going in this respect in the promo videos - the one with Slash opening his arms for a hug upon seeing Axl shows a lot of warmth rather than hostility. So regardless of the truth I don't think we have any reason to believe antyhing is wrong judging by what we have.

I am also far from thinking that the fact Slash didn't want to take a picture with one fan means anything is wrong. Please, he could be tired, could have had a headache, could be pissed off at something at that moment, whatever. Or the fan could have been simply irritating. Why would this incident mean he's off or has some serious problem with whatever? Seriously, I would start killing people if they followed me all the time nagging me for a picture

This post confuses the hell out of me

But yeah, I agree with the main points.

And good point about the promo videos - it was actually Slash who wanted to go for the full hug in that one and Axl was the one who ruined it by grabbing his neck

Similar to the way Slash immediately tried to catch Axl when it looked like he was going to fall.

What this tells me is that Slash is actually pretty attentive and open towards Axl when he's not focused on playing guitar.

And even when he's focused on playing guitar, Slash still usually laughs at Axl's antics or throws a smile in his direction.

3 hours ago, Free Bird said:

Where did you read that?

3 hours ago, Padme said:

There was a rumor about it. I think it came from a chick who got invited to a party with Axl. I don't know the whole thing. But apparently Axl started talking with that chick  and other people inside the tour bus. They had a radio on, and By The Sword was playing. Somebody tried to turn the radio off. And Axl told that person not to do it because he liked the song. IF  this thing is true. Axl heard the song before. Because he recognized it when it was played on that radio

2 hours ago, Free Bird said:

You're right, I remember this story. I think I forget about it because I tend to not believe in such rumors. But that's just me.

I wouldn't call this a "rumor".

It was simply a report  from a girl who got invited backstage and everything she said seemed credible enough/is supported by other incidents we know about. There was nothing particulary outragous or interesting about what she said, so she probably wasn't trying to make shit up to get attention.

Much more credible than 90% of the "insider info" and actual rumors that get discussed here (and often treated as fact) on a daily basis in any case.

3 hours ago, Andy14 said:

I'm gonna change the topic a little bit . You all know that Tako is a huge Slash's fan and that he is at most of her pics from the shows. However, I wonder why she focused so much on Axl and ignored Slash at the Little Rock show. Today I saw a post on Facebook written by a guy who obviously wanted to take a pic with Slash at the airport/on the plane and Slash gave him a middle finger. I understand it if the fan was a pain in the ass and didn't stop following him after Slash had told him "no". But what is really interesting is a comment by Tako below the post. 

"He changed his attitude in this tour. So sad. He was so nice and cool until Japan tour last Jan. I don't know what happened, but I agree currently his attitude is rude and uncool even for me who saw his show over 120 times. That's why I didn't take his picture in Little Rock show."

This is kinda shocking for me given the fact that Tako travels all around the world just because of him. 

Or did she fall in love with Axl after she had met him in Vienna? 

Tako fell out of love with Slash?

LOL

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

So I don't understand how he's changed in Tako's eyes and what does she mean about that?

Also don't understand why she says she didn't take pictures of him in the Little Rock show? Was it so that she wouldn't bother him or as some sort of "punishment" for him being rude?

It seems to me some fans take it too serious what the artist owes them or not. I hope I'm wrong about Tako but she "punished" Axl for a long time, by taking UNFLATTERING pictures of him or when she's making a video of Slash and Axl gets into frame, she quickly moves the camera so she can keep filming Slash. Isn't that rude as well??

I wasn't aware of that (I don't follow her on IG and don't really know much about her except that she's Japanese and a huge Slash fan), but that is so so lame and childish and ridiculous and... I don't even know.

Shows how important these big name fans feel they are.

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

In my opinion, Slash is fed up with the fans. He must be having a hard time with the likes of Jazmin, Jenni and all that bunch of psychos who take it on Meegan and the children. He must feel repulsed by fans who have an attitude that reminds him of these creeps so he wants to be left alone.

I think all the fan craziness is taking its toll on Slash.

The level of crazy must have increased a lot since the reunion (and since the divorce) and he's not immune to it.

2 hours ago, Tori72 said:

Is it only me or why can't I take someone seriously that follows an artist basically around the world?

I do not understand how they can do that, unless they are all filthy rich and don't need to work for a living.

What does Tako for example do in real life? Does she have some kind of actual job?

Is she a millionaire or something?

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

@MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle I'm sure there are many more moments when Slash reacts positively to Axl, for example the Brokeback Mountain moment or the Apollo show. Slash really enters his own world when playing the guitar so that may be why he doesn't show any love for Axl. But who knows. 

3 hours ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

@Andy14  Wow, that is interesting.  I've said before there's something off about Slash, something that makes me not 100% convinced he and Axl have patched it up.  Going by body language, I see lots of incidences of Axl trying to sort of 'reach out' to Slash, as it were, on stage.  But I have only seen Slash 'give back' once, I think, and that was when Axl scared him!  Axl always seems to be trying to catch Slash's eye but Slash rarely looks at him (I'm not talking Slaxl here, just performance chemistry/having a good time and showing it).  I try to convince myself it's all ok but I'm not so sure.

Then again, Slash by and large, kept himself to himself on stage in the past didn't he?  I mean, except for Slaxl or Sluff moments but I always put that down to him being wasted or strung out.  He's not wasted anymore, so maybe that's the difference?  Maybe he just comes off as cold and aloof and doesn't mean to?  This is why I was so glad to see the photo in the show thread of the three of them smiling together.  I just see so little evidence of chemistry between them?

@MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle ... You should check out some of the older Slaxl moments from the NITL tour. You don't need to hold onto one or two instances of them smiling at each other or whatever, because @Andy14 is right- there have been tons of Slaxl moments since the NITL tour started. Off the top of my head I also remember the one where Axl showed Slash his shirt (and Slash later wearing that shirt it seemed), Axl tickling Slash, Axl leaning on Slash and them smiling at each other, them laughing together in that promo video (and hugging later on), Slash immediately trying to catch Axl when it looked like Axl was going to stumble with his crutches during one of the very first shows... I feel like I've seen a million NITL Slaxl GIFs and pictures in this thread and the old one. They're doing fine as far as I'm concerned.

Also, I don't really see what Slash seeming off has to with Slaxl. If there's really something off about Slash, I think it's more the pressure from a tour this big and all the crazy shit that comes with it (like stalkers and psychos), like I said above. Tbh, I think they should all take a break. What they're doing can't be good for Axl's voice and Axl seems more on edge too lately, and now something's also wrong with Slash supposedly? Time to dial it back a bit imo.

2 hours ago, Asia said:

Because Axl was quite feminine in his looks and women's stuff suited him better than other men, who look more "manly".

So you're saying Axl's got curves in all the right places?

5 hours ago, GnrJasmin92 said:

You're spot on. Like I said in another thread. Axl hates & envys Slash, that's why he doesn't acknowledge Slash's stuff. Axl probably still thinks Slash is a cancer. 

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

As far as I know he hasn't said it in public. Marc Canter said Axl liked it overall, although he was critical about parts of it (like "this part would be better if...").

And Axl reportedly liked (or even loved) By the Sword. So I assume there's probably some more of Slash's solo stuff that Axl enjoys.

Maybe they should do a Slash solo song instead of a VR song.

Yeah, he went with an open shirt a couple of times when he was in good shape (as in the pic above).

But as far as I know he never went shirtless again on stage when he was a bit chubbier.

Guess the "fat shaming" had the expected effect on him.

7 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

What are you referring to? How do we know he suffered from it?

It was a joke!

Small dog syndrome refers to small dogs such as Chihuahuas often being much more aggressive and louder (and also more difficult, yippy and annoying) than bigger dogs (many of whom tend to be calmer and more laid back), because they need to compensate for their size. I'm sure you know what I mean. If not, google it, there are many articles and websites out there dealing with this topic.

Anyway, the same is often said about small men and it's very true in my experience lol. I've also seen this phenomenon referred to as "Napoleon complex".

(In GNR's case, Axl would be a small hyper aggressive Pomeranian who barks too much, while Duff would be a kind and easy-going Newfoundland or a Great Dane or something )

1 hour ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Ah, ok thanks for that.  I'll check out the thread index to read more on this.  OK...well.  Those are some pretty...interesting things he's said then.  And yeah, I saw that documentary where he 'outed' Axl (and his sister!) like that, which I thought was not at all decent for someone who was supposed to have been the band's mentor, so I did have conflicting feelings about the guy at that point, but I guess I was prepared to take his word on everything else, if for no other reason than that he was there and saw and experienced everything firsthand.  I'll have to look into it some more now though.  Do we know what the band think of Zutaut these days?  Have any of them spoken out against him?

Agree with you re: Axl as solo artist in the 80s.  He would not have made CD then.  He had to go through all the shit with his band (and the media!) first.  Interesting that Slash thought CD was the 'perfect album for  Axl and best summed up all that had happened from Axl's POV.'  Mind you, that was in 2014 when I think Slash was angling to reunite and didn't want to say anything that might piss Axl off.

No, I didn't think it was 'decent' either, I was pretty shocked when I first watched that documentary and heard him say these things.

About the band and Tom Zutaut, I don't know. I only know Axl and Zutaut had some kind of falling out a couple of years ago and they haven't talked since, as Zutaut mentions in the new interview. But Zutaut only wishes him well and has nothing but good things to say about Axl and I think Axl would probably react in a friendly way to Zutaut if he happened to run across him. Axl has a habit of reacting much better than one would expect to suddenly meeting his 'enemies'/people he had fallen out with/people he hasn't talked to in years (e.g. Duff, Steven, Gilby, ... he even had a positive encounter with Jon Bon Jovi some time ago iirc ). I don't remember any of the other guys talking about Zutaut recently.

As for Slash and CD, Slash also said some nice things about CD around the time it came out iirc, so I don't think it was just him sucking up to Axl when he said that. To some extent, yeah, obviously, but not only that. What tickles me about this is that Axl also clearly listened to all of Slash's music during the feud years, and he reportedly loved "By the sword". So they still seem to be drawn to each other musically speaking, which is one of the only signs that gives me hope for more GNR music in the future.

On 3.8.2017 at 6:52 PM, soon said:

About the Axl and Duff chance encounter at hotel; Sorry for no source, but I am 100% certain I saw and interview with the hotel manager/clerk who said he thought Axl and Duff were both in the band and figured theyd want to have rooms next to each other.

He was just a casual GnR fan and didn't know Duff had ever left.  It was just standard procedure to put bands in same area.  If thats true, what a miracle!

To answer OP: I was underwhelmed when Duff filled in for Tommy.  Not because of Duff,  I was just so bored and let down with that lineup that even Duff didnt help.  I do remember being a bit excited that he played CD tracks, even though of course he would in that context.  So, no it didnt get me hoping for anything.  

I sort of remember something like this as well, yeah.

But I also remember Axl saying he's not really convinced that Duff ending up in the room next to his in the same hotel is a coincidence (or miracle!), so who the hell knows

1 hour ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

@Frey and @Tori72  Can I ask your reasons for doubting Tom Zutaut? Genuine question, not trying to be argumentative.  I feel like I'm missing some info here.  Why is he a wanker?  He championed the band, fought to get their sound out there.  Without him, it's likely there'd be no GNR.

The 'fake news' thing, yeah, that sounds like he's re-writing his memories there, but things like Axl being neat and orderly (which is classic control freak behaviour) and putting a padlock on the door I've read before.  Slash and Duff also allude to this.  Slash (in his book) also says he considered himself and Duff as 'gutter rats' and Axl was the' sophisticated' one.  

I personally think Axl would have made a terrific solo artist - look at CD.   Well, if you don't like CD, then I guess you'd be less than impressed with the idea of Axl being a solo artist.  Me, I love CD.

I don't doubt him about Axl being neat and orderly, as you said, other people have said the same thing about Axl.

I have conflicting feelings about Zutaut in general because he has a history of telling "sensationalist", unverified stories about Axl:

And I think Axl would have been a pretty interesting solo artist as well.

CD is great and severely underrated by people who refuse to give it a chance due to their preconceived notions about it or their resentments towards Axl and the GNR situation, but I don't think this is relevant here. Axl as a young solo artist in the 80s wouldn't have created an album like CD anyway imo, it would have been something very different probably.

Axl certainly suffers from small dog syndrome. Always the same with tiny guys like him.

Anyway, did we ever actually discuss Tom Zutaut's recent interview?

There's some interesting stuff in there. Like this:

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L.A. WEEKLY: How did the Robert Williams artwork land on the original cover?
Axl showed me a card with the Williams painting and said, “You realize … this is the future,” then he pointed to the woman: “This is the victim; this is the media, and above them is the monster that the media creates.” He predicted, in 1986, that we were going to live in a world of “fake news,” where we’d feed on tragedy. It depicted human nature and the ugly need we have for an appetite for destruction. Axl told me that CNN was going to change the world by feeding that appetite. He saw the future in that painting, and because GNR had 100% creative control in their contract, the label had to use the artwork.

This sounds... really made up.

Or at best like Zutaut's interpreting stuff into Axl's words that wasn't there.

Is this another one of Tom Zutaut's WTF stories again? Example nr. 356 or so?

It's shit like this that always makes me doubt everything else he says.

He's either making up stories again or this is another example of Axl being incredibly "sensitive and perceptive" (that's what I'm calling it because I refuse to go with more new age-y terms) - similar to that story about Axl being able to feel "Courtney Love vibes" on other people (and wasn't that one told by Zutaut as well or was it someone else?). And also sort of related to Axl being disturbed by Bucketheads pornography because he didn't want unpure, dirty vibes like that on CD (that one definitely was told by Zutaut too).

So not only can Axl magically tell if other people have been around people/things with bad energy in the past, he can also apparently predict the future. What a special little indigo child he is. No wonder the new age people liked him so much

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L.A. WEEKLY: I can’t believe how sharp Axl’s voice sounds on the intro to the “Jungle.” It literally rips through your ears listening to it right now. Tell me what you felt the first time you heard him sing.

He’s the only guy since Jim Morrison with that kind of animal magnetism and snake-like movements, like two birds in a mating dance. Writer Danny Sugerman would compare him to Jim all the time; he schooled me on Morrison, since I’d never seen him, and Axl was that. Had the rest of the band sucked, I would have signed just Axl. Very few people on the planet have that range and power when they sing. It’s a mythological thing that nobody in rock has possessed since. Read Danny Sugarmen’s out-of-print book on GNR, Axl and mythology.

Lol, so there's at least one person who liked Danny Sugarman's book

And the bolded, wow, that's a weird thing to imagine. Axl as a young solo artist right from the start?

I kind of want to travel into the parallel universe where that happened and see how it turned out.

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L.A. WEEKLY: Was Axl the bandleader during the recording of Appetite? Some people would say it was Izzy Stradlin.
Well, think about it like this: While the rest of the band was living in a squalor at the Hell House, Axl had a room with a padlock on it that was pristine. He stayed away from the chaos and was sober as a church mouse and overthought everything. But that dichotomy worked because Axl would hear the work, sing through it, and make the changes. Everything had his final say on it. But initially, Izzy had a lot of the ideas. He was the primary creator of the Appetite sound, Slash’s monster guitar riffs were the icing, Duff’s complex bass parts were played like a lead guitarist, but every word and arrangement had Axl’s fingerprints all over it because he was the band’s quality control.

This story always amuses me when it comes up. Axl locked away in his corner, safe from the chaos and disorder going on in the rest of the house. And overthinking everything. Back when overthinking was still a good thing.

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Is there any raw audio of Axl and Adriana’s famous sex scene? 
There was about an hour of them fucking on tape. But after it was spliced into the best parts, the stuff Axl liked, we burned the rest of the tape, per the request of Axl. Or so GNR folklore has it. But some of it may have survived!

I bet Tom Zutaut has it. He strikes me as the kind of creep who'd keep something like that lol.

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/topic/218754-new-tom-zutaut-interview/

5 hours ago, Tombstoneflavor said:

I was over in the women's forum and they were talking about feet ? Someone mentioned Izzy has a barefoot phobia, is that true? I figure I'd ask over here...

5 hours ago, kkferro72 said:

I would love if he had a barefoot phobia since I have it. But I don't think it's true, unfortunately. There's a picture of him being interviewed with barefoot. Not to mention the infamous jesus sandals episode.

5 hours ago, purplestargirl said:

So the phobia can be determined as false. 

I would also like to see that picture....for scientific purposes.

 

No, it's true.

He mentioned something like that in an old interview.

I remember reading that as well.

Not necessarily a full-blown phobia, but something about how he doesn't like being barefoot for some reason I've forgotten.

8 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

13 minutes ago, purplestargirl said:

He has small feet. I bet he wears the same size I do (in women's).

Yeah, agreed. They look kinda small. Axl also is only a small guy. Look in the Ballet video, he looks so tiny compared to these other guys coming along. lol 

Don't give that guy who speculated that Axl was ashamed of his tiny feet any ammunition lol. Don't remember who it was anymore, but one of these guys who've written shitty GNR books.

7 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

You can also see Axl's feet in the Making of Don't Cry video. 

(I can't believe I did this )

and in the video (12:47 green Axl) but I guess his feet is not the part of his body you're focused on, you pervs  (right @Frey? )

 

Andy coming through for us on the important issues

I'll admit his feet look normal, not hideously deformed or anything.

And I wasn't focused on anything except on how shitty his hair looks. Needs more conditioner.

j/k

(Actually I was mentally rolling my eyes when he started talking about reincarnation, because it made me remember that he'd already started to go down the New Age / Yoda route by that time.)