bucketfoot

25 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

"I'd helped write and arrange and recorded enough songs for several records. [...] Honestly, we recorded so many different song ideas and completed so many different types of songs; from quiet, very simple traditional piano songs to 16 stereo tracks of keyboard blur and everything in between. [...] Most of the stronger songs that ended up on A-lists when I was there were huge rock songs, built for the masses, really guitar-driven." (Robin, Wall of Sound, 05/00)

"We wrote and rehearsed and argued and laboriously recorded several records worth of musical material, which to the best of my knowledge Axl is still finishing. But my work was through. We had dozens of finished songs, as far as I was concerned, and we were waiting for Axl to complete the songs." (Robin, 2000)

"It was great for a while, but then it became terribly frustrating not seeing anything completed because no lyrics were finished. [...] No one song was ever completed and I was there for two and a half years." (Robin, Wall of Sound, 05/00)

"I was excited about the material - the band sounded good. But we'd get a song done to an extent and wait for Axl to write a lyric and/or song. I couldn't work on songs with titles like 'Instrumental 34' anymore." (Robin, Kerrang, 12/99)

"Adding to the frustration was that Finck had passed on the chance to work with Trent Reznor on NIN's latest, The Fragile, in order to do the Rose sessions. 'It's one of the reasons I'm not there anymore. [...] When he finishes the lyrics, I assume [the songs] are going to be released. [...] There's not a release date right now, not that I'm aware of, [...] And I would know. [...] I hope [the songs] turn out great. There's a lot of potential there.'" (Robin, Wall of Sound, 05/00)

"'I was with Axl for a little over two years,' [Finck] says, 'and we recorded dozens of songs together. I'm really proud of what we did as a band. I'm anxious to see how it's completed.' Well, will it be? 'Oh, yes,' Finck says, grinning. 'You may depend on it.'" (Robin, Rolling Stone, 10/99)

Yeah, I remember the interview with Robin in Kerrang where he mentioned 'Instrumental 34' etc. Makes you wonder how much material he may have in the vault and how much of it we'll ever hear, if any.

19 minutes ago, wasted said:

He said something similar about UYI. The difference is I think his voice became part of the machines on CD. His voice blended and became another instrument. So you lose some of the character of the vocals. But the isolated vocals have a lot more emotion. Like the screams on IRS and Twat sort of get lost unless you really listen a lot and get lost inside the maze. 

Agree to an extent, good point. I think that's where the overproduction thing comes up for a lot of people, that it somehow sounds a bit soulless, empty as opposed to AFD and UYI. It's certainly not an easy listen but I think it's an endlessly fascinating record and the story/mystery behind it's creation, with the delays and everything, just adds to it really. I think he really wanted it to be his defining statement and in the end got so consumed by it he just struggled to let go. If it had sold well I think we would have seen CD2(3?) by now but he must've been stung by it failing to find a mass audience.

2 hours ago, wasted said:

That's what I found too. But I only have 2 tracks in instrumental. I also found Axl's vocals sound more powerful when not buried under the army of machines. 

I can't think of a way to get all the layers without making the songs longer. But orchestral tracks and Buckets playing is one album. 

I remember an interview where Axl said he wanted the music to get to a level where he had to compete against it, one person against a wall of sound trying to kick its ass or something. I thought that was a really cool quote tbh.

2 hours ago, wasted said:

I listened to Prostitute (without Piano) and it's like a Bucket instrumental. You can also hear a lot of orchestra and synths that are buried. Haunting shit but you can barely hear it on the record. 

The Shackler's drum track is also exquisite. It's so crisp and nuanced. Bucket plays that Kornesque riff. 

The guitar tracks of Shackler's and Prostitute are pretty similar. They are like weird Bucket instrumentals. 

I enjoy listening to the album as much in instrumental form, because there's so much going on with the music. There's just so much in there that at times you have to strip Axl's vocals out to take it all in.

Come on Adler, we need you back for the 30th Anniversary! Keep your head down, son, and all will be well.

10 minutes ago, Natty said:

Bucketfoot has a big Ego

Write whatever you want; there is no right or wrong in taste my dear, and someone with a nickname "Bucketfoot" is by the way no one that could ever have the same opinion on Music  - obviously you prefer the Bumblefoot and BUckethead era to the AFD era..... no more questions. That's it from my part ;-)

Err.... no, I prefer the AFD era over the NUGN'R era, obviously. Anyway, I hope you feel better after that little rant.

13 minutes ago, Natty said:

Taste, exactly.. that's what it is. And when I hear Music that doesn't touch me then I will not say "wow", just because they have a big Name like "The Who". I saw the Cult opening for GNR in 2012, it was so boring for me. I just wanted them to be gone and couldn't wait for GNR (NewGnr) to start...

It's taste yes, and we all know that People have different tastes. I only wrote that I would prefer Billy Talent 1000 x to the Who or the Cult. You instead are insulting Billy Talent, calling them shit. Just because you don't connect to their Music......

And regarding Green Day: boring, sooooooooooooooooooooo boring............

Yes, my opinion is that they are shit, if that is insulting to a band you like then I'm sure you'll get over it. If you like them, then great, good for you, but to compare them to The Cult let alone The Who is one of the most laughable things I've read to be honest. Now, we can argue about this to the point of boredom but it really is simply a matter of me being right and you being wrong on this one I'm afraid.

38 minutes ago, RONIN said:

Of course it is. That's why it's always hilarious to hear Tommy blame the record company, Buckethead, santa claus, etc. The truth is the dude was lazy and pissing millions away by never showing up to the studio. Buckethead quit out of frustration with the inactivity. Josh Freese and Billy Howerdel started up APC out of boredom in the studio waiting for Axl (!). 

He just didn't give a fuck -- that's what happens when you own the name to the brand and the record company keeps advancing you cash. They had no leverage over him and they made it worse by appeasing him with constant advances and giving him whatever he wanted. Should have put a boot up his ass and cut him off the tab which they finally did in 2004 but it was too little, too late. Atleast if Duff and Slash were co-owners of the brand, the record company could have applied pressure on them to speed up the process but Axl made sure to take care of that loose end.

I'm sure he was shocked by the apathy that greeted the release of CD. You can only cry wolf so many times before nobody cares anymore. That and the industry itself had changed -- which meant no more multi-million dollar deals for Chinese Democracy 2. Axl was SOL after the album came out. 

This, he waited too long and in the end people had simply lost interest. If the record company had cut the supply off sooner, we would have probably seen the album a lot sooner but they indulged him far too much. It must have been so frustrating for Buckethead and Finck, who can blame them for fucking off and doing something else?

1 hour ago, Malcolm Malcolm said:

The problem with DJ Ashba is he has no artistic credibility and is incredibly uncool. Ashba joining GNR signalled that Axl had effectively gone in the direction that led to Vegas

This, I've nothing against the guy on a personal level but him joining GN'R suggested Axl had pretty much given up.

1 hour ago, PsychoKiss344 said:

Nikki has always been my favourite from the Crue.

Love Mick Mars as well, very underrated guitarist.

8 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said:

Well. He was the one wearing the top hat.

Yeah, I guess there was that.

3 minutes ago, blonde_illusion said:

Ah, I remember that. They fired Vince and brought in John Corabi. That was interesting, although I only know of a few songs he did. I was obsessed with Motley Crue for a good year in high school, and then I got bored with them. That's happened a lot with my musical tastes... but anyways. I've never really been a fan of Vince, even though him talking about his daughter's passing in the book was really sad. 

The album they did with Corabi was fantastic, much more musically mature, it didn't really sound like Motley Crue though. Vince gets a lot of shit but he's been through some truly horrendous things in his life, Razzle's death and his Daughter passing at a young age, both of which must haunt the guy.

19 hours ago, Caught_in_a_Coma said:

He co-wrote a lot of their songs, didn't he?

If less than five amounts to a lot then... yes, he co-wrote a lot of their songs.

It better not be fucking Billy No Talent.

2 hours ago, blonde_illusion said:

Really? Why not? I mean, aside from the whole Razzle thing. I've read The Dirt, but my memory is faded about Motley Crue.

The original split came when the rest of the band wanted to go in a heavier/bluesier direction (this was early 90s when grunge was taking off) and Vince wasn't on the same page, so they fired him, but over the years I think it's mainly been Vince/Tommy who have clashed, they seem to have a love/hate relationship. There's probably a lot of old wounds stemming from the Razzle incident as well, as it brought a lot of shame on the band.

On 15/03/2017 at 7:05 PM, AlexC said:

I'm sure there's probably at least one thread about this but does anyone know definitively when Axl actually tracked the vocals? To me he sounds remarkably consistent as if they were all done in one go. I know there were leaks over the years leading up to the album release so I'm sure he's probably recorded vocals multiple times over the 15 years it took to make it but did he re-do them all in '06/'07ish just before it was released?

I'm sure the majority of the vocals that appear on the final release were done during Sean Beavan's time on the album ('98-2000). Then the vocals for some of the later songs that were written would've been recorded after this, he probably added bits over the years as well, backing vocals etc.

7 minutes ago, auad said:

...anything else "axl" done...

Haha! Yeah, I see your point. You know what I mean though. It's so different from any other song GN'R have done, it's very experimental/progressive. I love the song.

3 minutes ago, melina i said:

I like Nikki also, he's funny and seems like a pretty honest guy about his struggles, etc,   and besides the GN'R fights or whatever, who or what band  doesn't  fight at times, I still love Nikki ,   Also I thought Nikki and the Crue helped GN'R w/their beginnings as a band, didn't they

I agree, Nikki always comes across as a dry, humourous bloke to me. GN'R opened for the Crue in '87 on the Girls, Girls, Girls tour and the bands got on well by all accounts, then the Izzy/Vince thing happened and that soured their relationship to an extent, although the feud was always mainly between Vince/Axl, the rest pretty much kept out of it as I recall.

23 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

Well, if it helps balance things out a bit, I can't stand Nikki Sixx. I think he has a bigger ego than all the guys who played under the GNR name together.

Eh? He never comes across that way in interviews I've seen him do, just seems an intelligent, likeable dude.

37 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said:

It appears there is a new book on Bon's life coming out. Here is info from my local radio station's website:

http://www.atlantasrockstation.com/2017/03/14/a-new-book-on-bon-scott/

Thanks for the info, may have to buy.

It'll be The Cult in the UK, surely? Nailed on I would have thought.

Black Star Riders would be nice as well.

23 minutes ago, wasted said:

The thin line between entertainment and W.A.R. 

The frontline is everywhere!