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7 hours ago, Gnrcane said:
Something doesn't make sense. They really only get 14% or less of the gross? I know that the production is expensive and they have to rent the venues but 14% seems a bit low.
Granted, even if this is accurate and taking into account the crazy California state income tax, they'll still end up with over $7 million each for the year. I'll take that to get a free trip around the country/world and rehearse/perform once every 2 or 3 days for a few months at a time! If only I had any musical talent!
I read an article yesterday that, when you apply their 'general tour economics' would net Axl, Slash & Duff around $42MM each.
Maybe Billboard chooses to name them once as a group, but based on their individual earnings, instead of letting them take up three spots in the top ten?
I'm sure every artist/their publicist wants to make this list and it would definitely appeal to a broader audience if more artists are on the list.
Here is the article I am referencing: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jan/30/where-does-concert-ticket-money-go
I can't vouch for the accuracy of their generalities and I also should note that this is a very basic breakdown of how tour revenue is broken down. Not specific to Guns or their deal with Live Nation at all.
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Off ~$300,000,000 in tour sales they only made $42,000,000?????
And split that three ways, then tax half, managers, agents....
WHAT!!!
That's not that much dough...
No wonder they're doing more laps
Edit: My spelling is now borderline ah-trosh-ish
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4) The guys are not getting any younger and wrapping up an hour earlier each night seems appealing and necessary given how long they've been on tour
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They are definetely planning, at the least, a DVD for the NITL tour.
Brett Ratner was scheduled to shoot the Dodger Stadium shows last august but fell out a week or so prior due to internal issues at his film financing entity.
If I had to guess they're going to do a docu-series on the band using all the Illusions era footage that Axl owns.
That would be a global docu series that Netflix, Amazon, etc would chase.
I know about Brett with second hand certainty.
I work in the film/TV biz and am guessing that they're smart enough to make a docu-series. That is in no way shape or form confirmed - just my suspicion.
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19 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:
CHANCES OF A SUPRISE FRIDAY 21ST ANNIVERSARY SHOW!???
PLEASE!!!
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Live nation was never going to back and insure steven adler to do the tour, and izzy hasnt done a proper tour in years. the assumption that is all axl being a douche isn't fair. the three guys own the band, they're doing the best and biggest tour they can with the realities of the situation. i love it
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Nightrain and Rocket Queen are my most played and likely most enjoyed. I saw the London night 2 show...when Axl came out in the Union Jack top hat and leather jacket my fucking god. Epic
but a powerful sense of youth, nostalgia for the good days, and hope for the future completely overtakes me when Paradise City (unexpectedly) comes on. There's a powerful serum in there that puts it in a more religious category of songs for me.
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2 minutes ago, janrichmond said:
We have discussed this in another thread [can't remember which thread] and nobody could find out her age!!
This makes me feel MUCH less crazy!!!
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14 minutes ago, Bono said:
Are you new to the internet? I typed in Melissa Reese age and it comes up instantly that she's 32. Born March 1, 1985. Our definition of "IMPOSSIBLE" must be very different.
FACE TO PALM
As of a few days ago that info was NOT on the net
1 hour ago, jmapelian said:She's 32. I found her age in about 2 seconds by the way...lol
I swear!!!
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Does anyone know her age?
Searched and it is IMPOSSIBLE to find
From the level of internet scrubbing it seems like she makes sure it is nowhere to be found
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Looking to buy PIT tix to both Los Angeles shows (Staples and Forum)
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Anyone snag PIT or PIT 2 tix yet? Plan on buying, right now only Duff's side is avail for $550.
So expensive ?
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On 6/25/2017 at 6:12 PM, troccoli said:
Keep your eyes open folks. I was able score GA tix to The Forum show for $350 (total price) each! Just happened to come across them on eBay. The reason I pulled the trigger is because I already had a Staples ticket (GA purchased through the fan club believe it or not) and in order to start making plans I needed to know if I could get The Forum as well. Just how I am. Hopefully for you guys they will start selling GA tix soon on Ticketmaster.
Wow that's a fucking steal. I was pondering buying a GA slash side at 550 from ticketmaster but they sold out.
fingers crossed that they'll open up some new tix on ticketmaster
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23 hours ago, koldweather said:
There can only be one....and it comes from that epic Houston gig:
In all fairness though that Detroit is pretty epic and it may well give Houston a run for its money actually!
PS 3.17-3.19 is IMO THE most epic moment of the tour so far for Axl! Amazing (and he does do a similar thing in Detroit interestingly)
And people COMPLAIN about this tour
FUCK we are lucky. Troubadour (from outside the building ?), Dodger nights 1 & 2, London night 2. Should be hitting St Louis, Denver, Vancouver, Staples &.....THE FORUM.
Counting my blessings every time. NITL rocks and fuck every fan who's too caught up in their idealism to realize how insane it is that these guys are back.
Livenation was never going to financially back & insure Steven & Izzy. It's a fucking shame that izzy isn't there, I haven't forgotten that, but I'm not going to overlook the momentary blessing from the rock gods that somehow got these guys all back on the same stage
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Just now, wasted said:
I look at it like what if Axl brought Catcher or TIL in in demo form and Slash helped with it, then it would be considered real Guns like Nov Rain or Estranged.
Agree.
And if they decided to throw in some VR songs...Fall to Pieces with Axl, done guns style. I would LOVE to hear what that sounds like.
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I, like many of you, have mixed feelings about CD. On one hand I love a lot of the songs and on the other can't stand some of the choices (esp how over produced it is).
No idea what is coming next but how would you feel about a remastered version of Chinese Democracy with Slash and Duff added in? I'd be curious how much that trio could accomplish with some of the amazing canvases they could color...
Madagascar, Sorry, This I Love, Better, Street of Dreams, If The World....
Also wonder if they were to do three or four new tracks, would they supplement with rerecords of some of the better CD songs?
I for one would welcome it. ?
Just a thought.
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1 hour ago, JustanUrchin said:These questions are making me sweat! A prime offering of why Gn’R fans were and are badass. You should’ve been front n’ center at the China Exchange. I’m hesitant to answer—I don’t want a failing grade!
But here goes. The legal facts are inescapable. Slash and Duff, as Remaining Original Partners, boxed the singer in from NYD ’96 (when the singer quit Original Gn’R to form his solo “new band” and register a “new p’ship”) until ’14 when he came crawling back to them to seek approval to license his cover/solo band’s Vegas DVD. What Slash n’ Duff fail to disclose in their accounts (and legal pleadings reigning the singer in), is that while the singer lied about the timing of the MOU in which he pirated the trademark, they BOTH failed to bring colorable action before the four-year statute of limitations in California had run. They would’ve had to bring suit in ’96 since the MOU was signed in ’92 (even though Axl indisputably lied in his “open letter” about the timing of when he presented the MOU). Since ’98, however, both Slash and Duff, with clear heads, have been an inseparable rock legally. They controlled Original Gn’R’s sole asset—the back catalogue—while they were winning Grammies, and never wavered to Axl’s solo Gn’R (licensing, merch, synch, and so on). It was a stalemate. Axl controlled the trademark, as Leaving Partner, but failed to capitalize on it to the extent of late-night talk show mockery. What’s a control freak with trademark in tow without the guitarist that made him famous? That’s not rhetorical—what’s the trademark Coca-Cola without the recipe?
It likely seems that I’m avoiding your insightful questions, but stick with me. My forte is more identifying and translating legal fact and pleadings to root out myth, revisionism, and contrarianism so that we can all get to a common understanding given the singer’s (and his live-ins) indisputable revisionism and litigiousness. If I offer opinion based upon the legal pleadings and recent, relevant legal facts coupled with my own observations, it’s bound to be unpopular. And right quick.
But if there’s ever a time, it’s on the eve of AFD 30 while the negotiation pokers are likely in the fire. Eyes are on this board, after all—the tail wags the dog, particularly in light of the monstrosity, conglomerate LN culling its data and the hypersensitivities of the singer to insight drawn from fact. Here goes:
The singer is coasting along, happy as a pig in shit that Slash is carrying/owning the show to the masses in sold-out stadiums world-wide, and is high as a kite on, what appears to me, to be a cocktail of psychotropic meds given his blunted affect at CE and Globo. He capitulated to Remaining Original Gn’R Partners Slash and Duff for a payday assuredly now into the tens of millions, and for peace of mind. He is now adored the world over for simply showing up on time (even though as a result of a coercive division of loss term), lazying out a Barry Gibb falsetto, and flashing a shit-eating grin for the opposite gender (“oh, look how happy this ‘most dangerous’ singer is”). But he’s dumber than a box of rocks, a Jim Jones recruit-type lackey, and is now grandfather age. He has the mind of a child, and his raging live-ins make Elvis’ posse look legit. After being beaten down by Slash and Duff to the point that he couldn’t pay his umpteenth “keyboardist” to infringe upon copyrighted what-have-you German ambient noise, he is the quintessential sellout.
LiveNation. LN, and its insurers, run the show. Second only to Slash and Duff’s separate counsel and (professional) management. Forget about the stamped tail of the jet—this is a data culling conglomerate with more subsidiaries than I have hairs on my head. Great that they’ve stifled the singer’s bully live-ins and professionally sell the tour, but it’s “diversity” first. Adler’s fourth replacement looks like more of the world than Adler himself—Adler (God love him) is a super-minority Jew that looks like a “white” Californian. The second what-have-you on “keys” looks like more of the world than the what-have-you before her (some guy with a towel or whatever?) . And, bonus! she’s female. We’ve gotta sell Asia, south of America, and the Mid-East. Not many folks look like Adler in any of those places, as I can attest to, as having travelled to all.
Duff Money has been a financial consultant and (successful) writer longer than he was ever recording and performing for Original Gn’R. This multi-millionaire (on investments alone) is so far removed from reality that he is an open socialist bathing in capitalism. Mr. Punk Rock/HR Man sent Adler to the sidelines due to injury. Duff Money, to me, is the disgusting party in this grab.
Izzy got out while the getting was good. By offering his equity share (that was gobbled up by S/D/A) he avoided all legal liability and drawing from his capital account resulting from the singer’s assholery and criminal acts while still maintaining his juicy cut of the publishing royalties. Mind you, Remaining Partners Slash and Duff were eating the singer’s “recording” indulgence until 1998 from the singer’s SOLO BAND. And, to my memory, Izzy wasn’t necessarily a tight guitarist live—that’s the kind of shit that matters today, a 50+ year-old guitarist with no known riffs in the rock community who has made a living playing Izzy’s chords better than Izzy and picking in and around Slash as Izzy once did. He’s none too happy, as the record shows. “Stuck in the Middle,” “F.P. Money” with Adler’s first/metal replacement, and the “bullshit” reply to the singer’s, well, bullshit (as Duff Money sat in complicity).
Slash is the perpetual busy body—hence the nickname. He, more than anyone else, knows that the singer can no longer bring it (live, anyhow). Despite once being an unprincipled thief and dope fiend, he is rock defined. That motherfucker can raise the dead with his tone alone. But he’s bored as fuck with this S/D/A reunion. This man holds the keys to your new music. He is not going to work up the singer’s shitfest of material that the singer alluded to at the CE—it’s one of the primary reasons he didn’t cowtail on to the singer’s solo band to begin with.
The insightful questions, then, come back your way. Sure, recordings are profitable—ask the likes of “Jay-Z.” To say that it just isn’t so is just another form of Axl apologism. Slash will lay down his tracks in days or weeks. But to what?
But then there’s Adler. He’s my bellwether. Silence is as silence does.
You over complicating your way of writing to try to come off as intellectual. Of all the people in this forum you might be the most biased. If you weren't, you wouldn't refer to certain members of the band via non names and others directly. Stop acting so fucking "inside" and be direct. Lose your bias. So sick of everyone in this forum having an emotion based perception by which they come up with grandiose statements about the future or what's happening while having ZERO factual information just SUBJECTIVE bs.
You want us to
1) see everything through you POV
2) try to trick people into thinking you know what you're talking about when you don't
So I challenge you....
Drop the cryptic BS, drop the bias where one member gets to be Slash & the other "the singer", and drop some actual information into this sub
Oh and take off your fucking fedora
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1 hour ago, trqster said:
I've seen two LIVE concerts from AXL/DC & NITLT tours and I still can recall quite clearly the new Gn'R era two concerts too that I attended in '06 and '10. I'm entitled to my opinion but btw where do you see Axl legendary grit, improvising (even the setlist) and just interacting much with Duff or Slash on stage these days...?
I think it's absurd to extrapolate all of your conclusions based off seeing four shows
None of us know what's actually going on. I'm just grateful that it's happening despite the imperfections
Fernando posted an insta story of him today flying solo to NYC. the day of a show.. Caption "quick trip to nyc"
THAT is much more indicative of things happening to me than any fan's interpretation of a show
i wish people on this forum would be less emotional and more strategic in their analysis and information gathering...
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As far as new music, new live songs, I'm not expecting much really, it seems that Axl is no that passionate anymore about music and performing these days, more focused on playing it safe and pilling up the millions (and the pounds)... Oh well...
26 minutes ago, trqster said:True but after having seen UYI gigs then new Gn'R and finally the NITL gig, I cannot see that Axl is that passionate anymore about Gn'R. He seemed to me much more into the AXL/DC gig to be honest, both physically and especially vocally.
You saw two concerts and some footage from AXL/DC and are declaring that Axl is no longer passionate about the music or performing?
The members of this forum ?
If AXL/DC runs its course and GNR goes no further than NITL (or eventually runs its course) I can only see Axl solo performing under his name and maybe even releasing music that way. This is my SPECULATION.
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On 6/23/2017 at 3:03 PM, TheRipper75 said:
Does any demos exist of Estranged? I'm aware of that fake "piano" one that's been around for years, but I'm just wondering if there is any genuine demos around? Estranged & Coma are my fave G N' R songs! i already have that bootleg "Axls Advance Copy" with the Use Your Illusion demos on it, here is the link https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oj8kqduip.../UBwevVIH3m?m= if anyone doesn't have it
major thank you for posting a WORKING and simple way to download these tracks. I don't have axls advance just want to say thanks.
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god damn it let's just get an axl dc album and a few new gnr tracks & do a co headline tour
also I know Brett rattner was supposed to film their dodger shows so I have to think it's part of a documentary they're putting together? No way they'd get someone of his caliber to shoot it (also to be clear he had to drop out last min)
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1 hour ago, beautifulanddamned said:
Axl back with Axl/DC.
Slash back to SMKC.
Duff will do guest spots with randoms, write articles and swim Scrooge McDuck style in his piles of money.
Duff and Slash will do interviews again but talk very vaguely about NITL. "It was great! Next question!."
No new music. There's no money in it and no one but us cares about it. For most of the people going to the shows, CD tunes are new music.
More than likely, the rumors were correct and Slash and Duff's contracts are up in 2017 which is why they keep adding shows and packing the schedule. Maybe far in the future they will sign up to do a few festivals with Axl. But there will be a very lengthy break.
Maybe, maybe a DVD.
Can you expand on the rumors surrounding Duff/Slash contracts or provide a source? Thanks!
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On 6/6/2017 at 7:12 AM, Chuerta86 said:
I would hold on. I took part in all pre sales including Nightrain and Pit tickets were not available. I don't know anyone that was able to pull pit tickets at the $250 price tag they are supposed to be going for. A week ago those PIT tickets were going for $1000 and just today they went down to $500. There's a catch though, they can only be bought in pairs
The whole platinum thing is a scam and TM scalping their own tickets.
On 6/6/2017 at 7:16 AM, Kris_1989 said:Another thing you can do is try calling ticketmaster to see if they can help you out. I called to exchange my ticket tonight, lucked out and got a GNR fan helping me. I got my ticket exchanged for row 4 when I paid about half of what that ticket should've been.
Or if they have any citi preferred tickets available that you want, use code 412800 to bypass the citicard and that should get you in.
Great advice thanks guys. Holding off for now but no way I'm missing this show. Can't f'ing wait. I was first row slash side London night 2. It was fucking insane in the best way possible. I've seen them four times on NITL and they're picking up steam.
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15 hours ago, gnfnr2k said:
All his GNR performances are shit. GNR fans think his voice sounds great on black on sun for example when its a disaster. Axl goes on full on mickey for GNR which is pitiful. And people love to use the bullshit excuse that AC DC songs are easier to sing. Axl could easily go full on rasp for SCOM like he used toin the 90s but he choices to do Mickey.
So much hate. Yes different but a disaster? Grow up ?
Are you new to the internet? I typed in Melissa Reese age and it comes up instantly that she's 32. Born March 1, 1985. Our definition of "IMPOSSIBLE" must be very different.
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