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It's a strange kind of vague question, but I'll bite.

To start, I'm a huge Axl fan. I think he's the only member of GNR who could possibly carry the name without any of the previous members, although I do think CD should have been a solo. To me he made the band what they were at it's peak(dangerous), and although I'm also a huge fan of Slash, Izzy etc. I don't play any instruments so naturally perceive vocals to be the most important element of an artist. So Axls my favorite member.

Having said that, I don't see how any GNR fan can support Axl's decisions, regardless of how big a fan anyone is of him. The leaked CD songs are better then half the songs on the album. Some of them are the best GNR songs IMO. How Axl could of thought to leave State of Grace, Quicksong and Perhaps of the album in place of Rhiad and Scraped baffles.

The album was also good to go in 2000/1, and it didn't release for another 8 years. Even worse, the songs leaked demos are better then the released version(Chinese democracy being the best example for me).

So I think Axls work is amazing and it interests me more then anything any of the other members have done, but there's no way I can support some of the decisions he's made. For me the leaks proved to me that he's still got(or had) it, but I don't think that's fully proven cause of the choices he made surrounding CD. All the material is there, but I just wish he made better choices with regards to that material and the timescale it released. CD would've been much better received had he made better decisions.

1 hour ago, Rovim said:

It's part of why he was so livid at the whole artwork debacle for CD. 

Does anyone know why the album artwork was an issue in the first place? Surely if an artist is looking for a certain artwork it's the norm to go with that?

Usually, I wouldn't care much about album artwork, but Chinese's was so bad and boring that I had no interest in listening to it on Spotify for a long time. Such a shame when the alternatives were so much better

53 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

Forget about an Axl chat, I want a Slash one. That would be really cool.

He already did an AMA on reddit last year. Just looking at it now there's nothing of major interest and very few GNR related questions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/9hj2qp/i_am_slash_my_bands_new_album_living_the_dream_is/

3 minutes ago, kanecrescente said:

Anything noteworthy in the form of an update, or just pointless bickering? Anyone got a link to Fernando’s reddit too please?

Looks like it's gone, it's not on the subreddit anymore. as far as I can see.

4 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

Look at the GNR youtube comments  they are much worse than just saying "It sounds bad." There is also another forum whose name I won't mention that is much worse than saying "he sounds bad"

 But if you have to look at comments saying you're a fat mac daddy "you're in McDonald's babby etc then you don't have to get any respect for those people PERIOD.

It's exactly why nobody IN GNR wants to do an ama on these forums anymore, If Axl comes up he will get attacked by all these trolls saying why are you so fat?  why do you sound mickey? etc

 

You can say something sounds bad but you have no right to aggressively make comments about someone's appearance etc unless it's truly horrendous..... Axl is almost 60 years old he doesn't need to look like he is 25  

On a related topic, I don't know if anyone here has spend much time in the GNR Discord, but I find it kind of weird and pathetic how obsessed that community is with insulting Axl for his appearance and weight. I just don't get why people care so much to the point of endlessly insulting someone they don't know.

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

Here's the thing: they've made that bed, not us. We (the staff here) have offered for years and years to assist TB with repairing the relationship between the band and the fans. 

So, for me, it's a been there done that kind of thing. Many fans have offered to help for years as have we, the people who run this site and have a huge platform to assist them. 

If Fernando, TB and/or GNR turned around today and told us they want to make an honest effort to fix the relationship with the fans, we'd be more than happy to help. But it would take effort on their part, which is something they've never wanted to exert. 

Ah yeah, that's fair. And you've dealt with far more than I ever have so you probably have a better idea of how they work.

Having said, I do think it's good that he is open to ideas through this time and actively discussed mending relationships, it's far more open and positive then I've seen them before. 

30 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Nah, we can just leave his ridiculous statements in here. 

Honestly I think that's a fairly bad attitude to have. If everything he says is diminished as ridiculous then why ever should he ever say anything at all? Sure some of it presented it a me against the world attitude(it kind of is in some ways I guess), but we've been looking for an update about and album and shows, and seems to have given both based on what he knows at this time.

"Email info@teambrazil.com with ideas and contests you would like to see and let’s work together on try to amend the gap between the band and the fans. We have a social media / official channels that we can incorporate the ideas you are suggesting in a condescending tone above."

He also seems open to ideas to keep things going during the break as well which is cool, so I wouldn't dismiss it all as ridiculous.

19 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

It’s funny, but the whole Axl is late joke is kinda getting old and has been generally untrue for a while

True but the wider music community doesn't really accept that. Check any thread on reddit related to Axl Rose, it'll be about how much of an asshole he is for still being late to shows, or GNR/NITL and it'll be about how they'd rather not go to a show that Axl won't bother to show up to. You'll get people correcting this in replies, but he still hasn't really managed to shake that reputation.

3 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

A casual sent me a txt about it as if it were real. Without needing to think or even begin to consider thinking about it I immediately said no that's a fake article, he wouldn't stream from his home or do that for free, no fucking way.

I'd be delighted for him to be six hours late as long as there was actually something happening!

10 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

I thought it was a buckethead song.. I will always confuse those two ridiculous names.. Bucketfoot, Bumblehead... Could care less about either although I did buy a buckethead CD back in the day when he first started hanging out with Axl.. Needless to say I never bought another one.

Do you remember which album out of curiosity? Listened to a few of them and they seem to range in quality from absolutely stunning to endless shredding. Guess it's not that big an issue if he has a few bad albums though considering he's over a 100 albums.

In terms of the Bumblefoot, don't think his contribution to GNR would have been great and I'm kind of glad we didn't get an album with him and Ashba. Having said that I think this is a really interesting cool track.

7 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

That's the part I don't like about the band. He's such a poser with all of his overpriced chains and accessories. Tommy is way more of a legit rock star than him, not to mention Alice and Joe.

 

Don't Axl and Slash wear similar chains and accessories? And I'm pretty sure Depp has always dressed like that.

Haven't listened to the band to much but I did like his vocals on bit on their Heroes cover.

1 hour ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

But according to Fernando, if they released that footage, attendees would no longer have "bragging rights". TB care about the fans too much to take away their right to brag.

Surely he didn't actually say that? If so, what a dumb/childish way of looking at things.

36 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Not just a tad, his background vocals on Dust N Bones kinda ruin the song for me, especially in the second chorus. His improvised ''witty'' lines (''smoke 'em if you got 'em'', etc.) at the end of some songs don't contribute much either. And not to forget his climax sighs during So Fine.

The Live Era version of Dust N Bones is the best version anywhere I think. Axl's cut out of the mix up until the very end, so it's just Izzy singing on his own for most of it. Really awesome performance.

1 minute ago, Blackstar said:

I feel sorry about Gilby too, especially because he clearly was living his dream with GnR and sounded pretty confident that he would write with them (even though I assume Axl had told him in private the same thing he had said in public - but it's still pretty sad).

Gilby: One of the reasons I'm in the band is because I can write. Izzy was one of the major songwriters of the band, so it's a big hole to fill. In my last band I was the songwriter, as well as the guitarist and singer. I did everything. [...] I'm just lookin' forward to being able to write stuff with people like Slash, Axl and Duff. I mean, just imagine! I'll be able to write a song, and hear Axl sing it, and Slash play on it. To me, that's what I'll be lookin' forward to.  [M.E.A.T., September 1992]

Gilby did some - attempted - sessions with GnR (the one Slash refers to in the quotes) at the Complex in March 1994, which, as Slash admits in his book, went nowhere. It seems most of the material was what ended up in Snakepit, and Slash had already decided to go solo. It also seems Gilby had arguments with Axl and Duff over the Snakepit material he had been part of and Axl wasn't keen about writing with him in the first place, so that was it.

 

It's kind of surprising to me as well cause a lot of the stuff on Pawnshop Guitars was awesome and would've been even better if it was given the full GNR treatment, and was around the same time. And I'm not sure how big his role in Snakepit writing was, but there's amazing stuff in there as well. Doesn't really make sense to me that they didn't think he was a good enough writer

Just now, Creed said:

Its not about loyality, man. Its more about money and his fear that the clique of Matt, Duff and Slash will give veto, when it comes to differences. Frank and Fortus have absolutely nothing to say in this band. 

In fairness, I recall Duff saying that Axl is an very loyal person. Think  Axl mountain biking with him when Duff was getting sober, if I remember correctly. 

Matt sounds like a real asshole tbh.

Just in a general sense as opposed to specificly about Matt's book, are Axl and Izzy reasonably friendly at this point? Considering he's played a few shows over the years and bailed on he Hall of Fame once Axl did?

21 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

That’s terrible - shows Steven up well if that’s the case. What did Sorum actually say (I have never actually watched the induction)?

Not an direct quote, but basically an insult saying how everyone in GNR were taking so much drugs, and Steve still managed to take so much he had to get kicked out.

43 minutes ago, Creed said:

So thats exactly what Steven got. Gilby probably got the same deal, too. Thats a huge insult, imo. Man, this band is so horrible since 1993...

I don't know if it's insulting not offering money tbh. It seems more like a "if you want to come along and have a bit fun playing a song or two, we'll cover everything for you" invitation, as opposed to the band explicitly needing him, in which they should obviously pay him. They already have a drummer, and Matt isn't going to get the crowd going the same way Izzy would I don't think. 

12 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

And it did; Clearmountain shot himself in the foot almost immediately: one afternoon we discovered a notepad of his where he’d notated all of the drum samples he planned to mix in over Matt’s drum tracks. I’m not a drummer, so I can’t explain the technical ins and outs, but he’d brought in samples that would change Matt’s sound drastically. We showed it to Matt who had no idea and he wasn’t too pleased at all—and that was the excuse we needed to fire Bob Clearmountain. [Slash's Autobiography, 2007]

Correct me if I'm wrong cause I don't know anything about mixing, but considering most say Matt's drum work on UYIs is average, Bob using drum samplings could have made the drums sound a lot better in the final product? Or am I misunderstanding?

1 hour ago, MaskingApathy said:

I agree. There's lots of cool riffs on that record and on all the SMKC stuff in general.

I haven't listened to much of SMKC stuff so I could be wrong, but based on what I've listened to of what people on here point to as their best works, Anastasia being one them, it seems that Slash has a lot of badass riffs that don't really translate into good songs. Honestly I don't think Myles writes good enough melodies to work with the riffs, and I don't think the riffs work as songs anyway or they need an Izzy tpye to work them into proper songs. Kind of reminds me of Slither but Slither works as a song cause of the great melodies. World on Fire (the song, haven't listened to the album) is amazing though in fairness.

19 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

I do expect Slash to replace and/or mutilate Robin and Bucket's parts, but I don't think Axl is going to be inspired to write new material to the garbage Slash comes up with these days.

This is probably my main concern about reworking Chinese material. I'd love to hear them fully finished,.but based on almost everything we've heard the last few years, Slash consistently make CD songs worse as opposed to better(This I love being the main example). I hope it isn't the case, but I don't see this changing when it comes to potentially reworked material on the "new album".

This is the biggest shame of the leaks for me. Easily my favorite song from them and genuinely disappointed it didn't make CD for the world to hear(although who knows what it would of sounded like at this stage). Kind of reminds me of some of Marilyn Mansons work around this stage, and could easily see it fitting into Antichrist Superstar. And unlike Hard School, Perhaps and some other leaks that could potentially be released and genuinely improved upon by Slash and Duff, I can't see this song sounded better with their input mainly cause it's so far removed from the classic GNR instrumental style.

1 hour ago, MaskingApathy said:

Did Metallica stream an old concert or did they play live on YouTube?

They streamed Slane 2019. Not a fan but clicked on it for a minute or so, was a pretty awesome pro shot.

Just now, MaskingApathy said:

So if GnR released an album their streaming numbers would go way up, both for the new record and their old material.

Presumably so, unless the new record is absolute shite, which could very well be the case.

5 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I don't think a couple of 'wedding party classic' songs getting loads of youtube views mea s anything really. I'm sure the likes of Huey Lewis and the News or Frankie Goes To Hollywood have masses of views for their big hits....but it really means very little. 

I see your points but it really is mad to think the likes of GNR are a bigger deal than today's pop stars. They really are, to most people, a retro nostalgia act....I'm really not saying any of this to be superior, just pointing out that us on these forums have a natural tendency to think they're a bigger deal than they are. That's only natural. I'm sure people posting on any bands forum are in a similar position. 

I'm not necessarily saying GNR(or Tool for that matter) are a bigger deal then Taylor Swift now a days-they're not- but was just looking to show that if there was demand for a Tool album who also hadn't released an album in 13 years, there'll be demand GNR. 

Just checked checked Spotify there out of curiosity. Justin Bieber is no.1 in the world with 62m monthly listeners, GNR are 151st with 17m monthly listeners which really is quite a lot relatively speaking. Above Rolling Stones, Aerosmith and Nirvana. But well behind Queen who have 32m monthly listeners and are 39th in the world. Probably aided by the movie that came out last year.