UncleJosh

Blocked already?

That is the same gig. He plays Mama Kin and Train Kept a Rolling. Jeff Beck was supposed to be there and play Locomotive which you see him playing in the rehearsal footage without Axl. He got sick and didn't play the actual show which is the biggest disappointment of the show for me. That and no Nightrain of course.

It is a very good show but of course even the best video capture and audio bootleg were limited to recording the on air broadcasts at the time.  I have so many copies of this show in audio and on vhs, bootleg dvd, mkv, homemade bluray as I always wanted the best version possible. I am looking forward to see how the audio sounds for this release.

In the release they state the original film was scanned to 4K and is being downscaled to 1080p for the BluRay. So they do have a 4K version.

8 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

I've heard 3 different performances of Coma from the 90s on YT that sounded great ... Don't think there's a legit excuse to why it wasn't included so dont go to lengths to make one for the band 

None of those sound good enough for an official release. Even Coma from live era isn't good enough in my opinion. Happy to have it but sounds like a bootleg.  Should be treated as a subpar bonus track which it is. 

Not making any excuses, trying to provide a possible reason as to the choices made. 

No need to be rude about it.

I think there may be some confusion as to how these shows were recorded. I know they recorded almost every show on videotape and via soundboard but how many shows were actually recorded to multitrack? If i had to guess only a few which have been used as releases before and the shows used for this release may represent most of them.  I very much doubt every show was recorded to multitrack as it would have been a waste of equipment and time back then.  They selected certain shows to have a full 24 track recording unit and mics set up is my guess.

For example Coma sounds like crap compared to the other tracks on Live Era and sounds more like the audio tracks of the leaked videos which is just a 2 channel live stereo mix.  It does not sound like a multitrack recording to me but I could be wrong.

That may be why the selection of shows they are pulling from is more limited than we would prefer.  Even bands known for recording every show like Pearl Jam don't have multitracks from every show in the 90's.  Soundboards sure but not full multitracks. They have even had to patch some of the multitracks with a 2 channel soundboard source in some cases because they either didn't record it right or the tapes were degraded or lost.

I hope to be wrong but if I am right, that would explain the show choices.

2 minutes ago, ryanf23 said:

Breakdown was played twice live. Audio is available on the MA December 1991 bootleg

I was at this show. I couldnt believe they were playing it.  This is one of my top 3 concerts I have been to in my life. I will never forget how the concrete floor was shaking. Everyone standing on their seats and ushers trying in vain to get people down. The titty show before on the screens and the girl and her boyfriend being tossed because she was hoisted up and he was fingering her for the cameras, lol.  I would love a soundboard (or the video) of this show. One of my holy grail items.

Just release the whole show. We know they filmed it for possible release back then.  6 years later. Just put the f'n thing out already.

The curfew is a Fenway one.  All concerts end at 10:30 I think.

Definitely legal here. 

I don't think I have ever heard this version

Agreed.  I just think the days of wishing that any new music will replace the majority older hits live is long gone at this point.  However of course I do want them to be represented assuming they are good of course.  There are a couple of the leaked songs that I might enjoy with better lyrics or production.  Again these are demos and they can change a lot in final form.  I just thought of one I really like which was Quick Song. Now that if the lyrics were done and were good I think that is a song I would want to hear live a lot.   But do I want to hear it more than say Nightrain?  No f'n way.  But they could drop any of the countless covers and all but the song Chinese Democracy from that album for it and I would be happy.

I think YCBM at the Saskatoon 93 show was pretty badass.  About as good as it gets for me personally.

30 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

MetallicAs Hardwired is a shout...but agree it’s a rarity it happens. Thing is - GNR are a special case. And we know there is quality material in the vault (Hardschool/Perhaps/Atlas for example)...which means we know the quality is there.

Fair enough but I didn't think any of those leaked songs were that great if I am honest.  I mean they were OK as leaked demos but I am not clamoring for them to be released or played live.  I listened to them a bunch when they were leaked then they went into storage on my hard drive.  I don't listen to any of them anymore like I do the official or live stuff which I listen to weekly if not daily.  Heck just the songs Chinese Democracy or Madagascar blew anything in those vault leaks away and I still witnessed mass exoduses to the concourse on both those songs when they played them live. 

I am a huge Metallica fan going back to Kill Em All days but I don't think they have put out anything that I connect with since ReLoad to be honest.  I can't think of one song released in the 2000's that I like ( I Disappear is from 2000 I guess but that is the last song). I know a lot of hardcore fans feel differently.  I mean I buy every single live release they put out including all their official boots but I skip over all those songs.  They just do nothing for me.  YMMV

Probably a moot point though because who knows if GN'R will even put anything out ever.  I hope they do and it is great of course. I don't mean to come off as shitting on any new music by any of these bands including GN'R even though it may come off that way. I do want it, my only point was that no matter how good hardcore fans may feel something is, it is almost impossible for the majority of live audiences to feel the same way about new material for legacy acts.  They will never replace the classic songs live.

Question for all those demanding new music. Can you name 1 band of GNR's stature that has released anything 30 years after their peak that was considered good by the majority of the audience. Not hardcore fans but the casuals who are the ones who make up the majority of the concert going and music buying audience?  I mean one band where they came out and played almost all new material 30 years later that the fans in audience were dying to hear or see.

The closest I can think of is U2 who make a point to play a lot of their new material on each tour but even then the songs that get the biggest reaction and pop are the classics.  A lot of the audiences for all legacy bands consider new songs a piss break or beer run time.

Heck in the shows I saw anytime a CD song came on a lot of people left to get beer or take a piss or sat down during those songs.  You really think if GNR put out a new album if they came out and played all of it plus a few classic songs that would go over well.  I just don't see it.  The best you can hope for is a song or maybe 3 sprinkled in among the hits that made the band famous and the VAST majority of fans are there to see.

By the way this doesn't mean I am against new music by any means but thinking if they release a new album means those songs will somehow replace almost of the hits in the setlist are sadly mistaken.

If anyone has listened to Slash's IEM recordings, he doesn't even have Axl in the mix barely. I think Slash cares about his own playing and doesn't worry about much else.  I don't think he is one to watch or listen back to shows after the fact either so doubt he knows or cares much about how Axl sounds.

Ok so this is weird. I think the audio issue was due to the stream.  I downloaded the video and while the stream topped out at 720p for me the dl was 1080p and I just relistened to Out Ta Get Me and there was no level change in the audio at all.

They should remix and master the Houston show with new camera edits for a professional release with a bunch of extra songs of the best performances of other shows on the tour.

How long do you think this will go on for?

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1 minute ago, allwaystired said:

This is two different shows, but the Houston one, yeah. 

Yeah I know.  I did mean the Houston one since a song from that show was playing when I posted.

They need to release the whole show honestly. 

Praying for Nightrain!

Sound is a little flat without any audience obviously but the mix overall seems ok to me.  I wonder if someone could make a matrix from the audience recording and this audio.

Ugh

Houston 2016 is one of the best for Axl vocally so just hope it is well mixed