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8 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

I just think that the fact that this tour has been going on for four years without anything new is embarassing. They don’t have to do anything new because everyone will give them money anyway. Axl creatively retired years ago. Just a touring/legacy band which I’ve mostly accepted but sure get sad about thinking about the missed potential.

People change. I wouldn’t say he retired creatively. I’d put it this way-  he decided what it was, was what it was and is now at a point he can revisit it. Which in a way is a resurgence of creativity and why it’s so successful again. We know he wanted to “bury appetite” and I can only imagine felt the same in the CD era. Let the nostalgia play out. He’s still young. 57 is the new 40. I don’t think he’s totally done but very well could be happy revisiting that era of his life. Imagine you are him and you did all this crazy shit 30 years ago and suddenly you have a chance to bring it back to what it was. You might be happy just sitting with it for awhile but it doesn’t mean you’re dead. 

Just now, The Real McCoy said:

I was one of the biggest champions of this band for the longest time. All eras, all lineups. I simply can’t be anymore.

I WANT them to succeed. I WANT to see them take chances and do things outside of the box. I WANT them to release new music.

It was seeing this leg of the tour come and go with not even a hint of music in sight, and it’s frustrating.

They waste valuable setlist slots on useless covers like Wichita Lineman, Black Hole Sun, and the Seeker instead of playing their own damn songs.

It’s beyond maddening at this point. 

I get it. I’m a huge fan and I totally get it. I definitely have preferences but I’ve realized it’s who they are and am enjoying it because it’s great they’re still around. I’m not expecting anything but to watch and listen to the Guns N’ Roses I grew up loving. 

The covers... they’ve always been a big covers band so it doesn’t bother me that much. And the seeker adds a lot of energy to the show when you’re there. Each one I’ve been to (7) that song is a big boost in the energy department. If given the choice I’d rather hear a deep cut but I’ll give it to them, people eat it up. Why stop?

1 minute ago, Sydney Fan said:

I think we as fans could agree on the band dropping the covers and add another song whether its on afd, lies of illusions they have no reason not to.

Cut the length of some of the songs, i mean KOHD for 14mins, i mea n  really?. The setlist should be strong and no filler throught the show.

I was really hoping for Benny and the jets at the show I went to but that could have been a fake set list haha. 

I know what you mean on KOHD.. but the general crowd eats it up. That’s one of the songs everyone knows even if you don’t know the band. I like it for nostalgia and makes me think of Tracey and Roberta.

the point about shorter shows is well taken and probably what we’ll see in the next few years as they get older and older. I’m just enjoying what we have while it’s here.

Definitely has a Black Sabbath element to it. Sounds a lot like some of Buckethead’s solo stuff.

13 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

Are you saying Eddie is the shitty friend

5 hours ago, GnR Chris said:

 

"I'll give a little asteriks on that. About a week before it was announced that Slash was back in Guns N' Roses, true story, he called me. Not texted. He called me privately. 'I don't know anything about this Guns N' Roses stuff that's going on.'" (Trunk laughs) "So take that into the equation ... he threw up some serious smoke and mirrors on me at the time ... then a week later, the Not in this Lifetime tour was announced ... He's done that misdirection shit to me once or twice before."

What a shitty friend. If a band is a marriage imagine this mad libs 

"I'll give a little asteriks on that. About a week before it was announced that John was back in the Marriage, true story, he called me. Not texted. He called me privately. 'I don't know anything about this marriage that's going on.'" (Trunk laughs) "So take that into the equation ... he threw up some serious smoke and mirrors on me at the time ... then a week later, the marriage was announced ... He's done that misdirection shit to me once or twice before."

dude!! He’s your friend! Why you being such an ass! Not your marriage you gossip queen.

8 hours ago, Mfegz said:

Ok, get me in the studio with these guys and i will 100% come up with something far far better 👍

 

The song is just lame and basic 🤷‍♂️ 

 

Same goes for Atlas.. Which is just embarrassing 🤦‍♂️ 

Are you serious!? Dude!! Go to Axls house,  not far from Point Magu off the PCH. Just show up and say sir, I can help you. I would actually root for this story for the shear absurdity. Look at it from my perspective, I’m sitting here giving advice to the next Izzy Stradlin. My shoulders will be a little wider tomorrow at work.

3 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

I had a dream the other night about what the new album is gonna be like (this isn't what I want, but it's the dream I had):

Basically, in my dream, the record was pretty much just one or two actual NEW songs written recently and then the rest was just CD2 material re-recorded by the NITL line-up. However; Finck, Buckethead, Bumblefoot, Tobias, Stinson, Freese/Brain, and Pitman were all left on at least one song each. Also, Izzy and Adler were on "Down By the Ocean" (the closing song), and Gilby and Matt were on a song each (not sure if together but probably). Even fucking Ashba was brought in for a solo (this is where I knew I was just dreaming and that none of this was real). So this way, the record had all the different members of the band throughout it's entire history contributing to at least one song each. The album was self-titled, and the cover art was just the words "Guns N' Roses" written in red in the center of a black background, with the signatures from all the different members throughout the entire band history written in white-ish gray and scattered about throughout the entire artwork. Axl, Slash, and Duff's signatures were bigger than everyone else's, and were right below the band name.

Anyway, I don't think any of this is a vision of the future or any crap like that, but I figured it'd be funny to share anyways.

This sounds like a wild dream.

Ive always been curious about down by the ocean. It’s possible I made it up but is that comment by axl about the song Box by Izzy? If you read the lyrics to that song, it sounds like it could be about Axl. Axl’s way of responding to what he thought was about him? Do we have anything to substantiate it being an actual gnr song? Maybe I read his comment sarcastically. I don’t know, the fact I dramatize this shit makes me cringe but I’ve always thought of Axl when I hear that song, even before the comment he made about down by the ocean/Izzy. 

1 hour ago, Arnuld said:

Great post. Tom Zutaut also suggested that Axl tour and release music under his own name which was very solid advice. 

Hindsight is always 20/20 but also neglects the reality of what is. I don’t know if Guns N Roses have ever had the financial success they’ve had recently with the re grouping so what solid advice is, I don’t know. Ideally yes, maybe that’s what should have happened. But it didn’t and it worked out fine. Axl is almost universally respected today, the band is extremely successful, we got great music out of New gnr, velvet revolver, solo work, acdc, etc. 

If we want ideal situations, people like Tom zutaut have nothing to do with the music of Guns N’ Roses. He is quite literally a beggar and hanger on. I know it’s a business but we are talking ideals here which has nothing to do with money, A&R people etc. ideally music like any art is created by one person or a group and then belongs to everyone collectively. Nothing personal against Tom, but it’s positions like his that complicate the entire thing. all told, it worked out well for everyone the way it happened.

My theory is Axl came in with the name and a lot of the creative direction, carried the flag while the others were burnt out on various substances, thought he was abandoned and/or cornered to take something a certain direction, and did what he did for what he felt he worked for. I don’t really know though because all I have is what everyone has to go off of. You also have to consider Guns wasn’t what it is today in 1999. Obviously they had huge success but in 1999, they were only 10 years off of their initial success. It’s not like they were the Beatles coming back replacing Lennon. I mean Slash is only just now coming into that legendary Hendrix/ Page/ Clapton guitar echelon because he’s been at it so long. Axl was in his mid 30s then and probably didn’t think it was over or nostalgia from then on. 

If you started a lemonade stand with your friends that was really successful initially, and you worked hard at it, spoke to the people, ran the numbers, basically were the face of it and people LOVED it. They’ve never had lemonade like this. It reminds them of the raw lemonade they got in the 70s and very unlike the synthetic lemonade they get today. Then, You make new recipes that are different from your initial product but extremely popular. You get more fans because you decided to mix in ice tea and expand your customer base. Your friends go along with it for a bit then come to you after the success and say “I’m not selling that iced tea lemonade shit anymore” and this is the lemonade we are selling, shut up and squeeze. You say, well this lemonade has potential, I’d like to work with it, but it needs something. They say this is the product, period. You watch it flop and feel vindicated in a way and think fuck this shit, I’m taking the brand we created that I piloted and I’m doing this. I’m enhancing our lemonade. That’s basically how I view the gnr saga from 85-99.

On 9/1/2019 at 11:55 AM, Mfegz said:

Im sorry guys but i really don't understand the hype for this song?? 

I really liked the clip we all had for years and had high hopes for the rest of the song. 

But to me its really weak and kind of cringy/embarrassing "Hard School"?. Wtf are we like 15 or something... Its really basic and easily forgotten 😔 

To me this proves that Axl needs Slash and Duff and Izzy more than ever if we are gonna see anything remotely worthy of the gnr name. 

 

Wheres the riffs??? 

I think the hype you are speaking of is due to being on a gnr forum and this being a song title known for a long time so people are excited to finally hear it. 

Hard school is a strange term. What the hell is a rocket queen for that matter? 

Why don’t you just write the next song since you know where it needs to go? I mean seriously, you know the direction and what you want to hear, just write and record it?

It’s like you don’t have to eat at the restaurant. You liked  a meal there once but everything has been shit since. So you order the same thing you liked or stop eating there or make something yourself. 

Didnt Duff write a song about Facebook? Slash’s solo stuff was highly... questionable until recently. Izzy has some great solo stuff but if I’m being honest, half of it is forgettable. 

Not trying to put you down I just don’t get the complaints and it’s not you specifically, just in general people like to complain like I’m doing now about people complaining. Damn

I’m not going to sit here and jump up and down like a fanboy saying I love it, but I can certainly dig it and really respect people willing to reinvent themselves, especially as I get older. I like that axl was willing to try new things. Not sure it’s really been done like that but I have a limited view of music outside of rock. It’s not like Joe Schmow hears this and burns their appetite for destruction CD. The effect of early gnr is permanent so might as well try it out. When Axl is dead, he’ll be respected for trying this shit. He was Kanye west before the internet. He makes you say what the fuck, but there is something special about his music mind and you have to respect it. Having said that silkworms as a title has always made me shrug so if isn’t it absurd is the title, I like it better because it works on that level. Then again maybe silkworms is a good title because it would have a “what the fuck” reaction to most people who buy Gnr which is exactly my reaction to actual silk worms.

41 minutes ago, axlinkafayette said:

Hard school is FAR better than Atlas Shrugged

 

I kept thinking, how many times am I going to hear the same lyric.  Over and over

I’ve had a hard time keeping up with the leaks and thought Atlas was Checkmate and thought he was saying “and you’re the one, who sold them drugs”. I realized later it was shoulders shrug and it all connected.  Not sure I have a point but what can you do. 

1 hour ago, Powerage5 said:

So cool to finally hear a studio version of the original version of the song, I like this a hell of a lot more than the one we already had. It's a lot more electronic sounding than it was live. That said I'm bummed it still doesn't have the chorus  

“What should I do, with a bitch like you” is the new “with your ass in the air”. I hear it in my head every time.

I love AFD but 1/4 the album has a few of my least favorite songs- Think about you, you’re crazy and anything goes. I was listening to Shotgun Blues today and wondering what it’d sound like on AFD. It has that punk vibe of its so easy. It’s all hypothetical but I probably never would have recovered with an album of 

WTTJ

ISE

NIGHTRAIN

OTGM

BROWNSTONE

PARADISE CITY

MY MICHELLE

YOU COULD BE MINE

SCOM

SHOTGUN BLUES

YOURE CRAzy acoustic-electric

rocket queen 

Coincidently I think Matt Sorum made you could be mine the song it was so who knows! 

Will this be on that PBS show?

10 hours ago, soon said:

Me too. When I looked up that pic just now, I found this mini article. According to this guy, it may have been in reference to rumours from a few days earlier that Axl was found dead. I have no idea if thats accurate though? It sure doesnt appear to be Axls silhouette to my eyes.

http://toddhancock.ca/axl-rose-posts-ghostly-studio-photo/ 

LOL WUT 

I still remember the first time they played it since 93. Wasn’t it at Rock in Rio 11?

When Ron raises his arms at the beginning as the crowd realizes its estranged? Damn.. I feel like that was a collective hands in the air for all who have ever worked with Axl and struggled. Cause as I remember this was a big issue for awhile with the fans. There were rumors swirling and then finally, it happens. It was like my god Ron, you did it. You made him do something he probably didn’t want to. God bless you sir. And he made the CD song way better with that Fretless so he’s a gnr legend in my book

1 hour ago, UsedYourIllusion said:

Listening through their entire catalogue, I wonder, what do you guys think is the most atmospheric, viseral, song? The song that just pulls you in with the lyrics and music, into the context of the song. 

For me, Coma and The Garden come to mind. When I hear the heartbeat or Axl's scream during the fade out of The Garden, I instantly feel dragged into the emotion and place of the song. I've never had the feelings explicitly, maybe partially, that are in Coma, but I've had a really nasty drug problem, and know exactly how The Garden feels. Is there a song or group of songs that have this reaction for y'all?

I know what you mean. The Garden pulls you in.  The video fits it perfectly.

Yeaterdays always puts me in a happy/ reminiscing mood. Obviously the title and lyrics but there is something about the softness of it and Axl’s voice on the chorus.

I don’t know if it’s the Chinese people talking or the anger of shackler but those 2 songs make me feel like I’m in a Godzilla movie

Riad has that 2004 War on terror vibe 

One in a million is the Bohemian Rhapsody of poor white people which I grew up on the periphery of so that hits home a little

The end of prostitute puts me to sleep like a newborn baby. Feels like a warm hug or being in the womb. Or like a Coldplay song 

9 hours ago, Azifwekare said:

I called your "mental gymnastics" "nonsensical and irrelevant" because that's literally what they are. It's not a case of "waah, I don't like Trump so he should stop playing music I like". Please re-read the thread.

A more interesting question would be what level of open mindedness do you have to reach before supporting Tiny Hands in any way?

I could tell 

To know the truth is complex and can’t be reduced to arguing their relevance based on physical characteristics, that’s open minded to me. 

What I’m saying is I think it’s silly for any musician to not want a political candidate to use their songs, unless you can say there is a profit begin made. Art is the escape from the real world, so I don’t associate it with anything other than someone is playing that song at a rally. It has no effect on my view of the person or song. I think it’s just as silly Trump would even use a song like November rain or any song for that matter. He should come out to that real American hulk hogan song complete with the DJ Ashby’s ear cuffs simply for the entertainment of his devotees eating it up and his detractors crying bigotry. That’s the basic state of everything right now. There must be a way out that includes everyone or it won’t work at all. “Tiny Hands” is ok by me but don’t critique him when he does then and I’m good

On 10/28/2018 at 9:53 AM, Modano09 said:

Cute analogy.

But it's more along the lines of Axl thinks Trump is an asshole and it's Axl's music so Axl may not want his music associated with someone he considers an asshole, you follow? This isn't fans hoping Axl doesn't like Trump, Axl's made it quite clear. 

Thanks I wrote it half asleep in the morning while shitting.

I do follow and you raise a good point. That’s the thing with art, once it’s out it’s sort of like public property. Like a park. Maybe a baby is a better analogy. It does belong to 2 parents, but walk through a nice community with a baby and people will come up to you, poke it, ask you about it, want to hold it. 

There is no question to me people can enjoy your baby. I don’t think you’d disagree and I don’t know you. The issue with President Donald J. Trump is like anything, where’s da money ya dig? If he’s using November rain to made cheddar and you can prove it and Axl doesn’t like that (which there is no disagreement from me), I’m with you. 

The issue would be how do you quantify that money? Scientifically. That is key, otherwise you are playing with freedom of speech and that’ll rumble the graveyards from here to the unknown soldier. I would say there’s a good case if he’s using it at a rally.

On 10/28/2018 at 10:59 AM, Azifwekare said:

Nonsensical and irrelevant. 

A) No one here has actually complained that GN'R has been played at Trump rallies. OP was just pointing out that it was a thing that happened, and others have simply been taking the piss out of Tiny Hands and making obvious and valid points about why Axl himself may not be happy about the situation. 

B) Also irrelevant to Axl's side of things - we all know he isn't a fan of the Orangutan Overlord, and he has every right to prevent his own work from being associated with such a person.

The gun jumping and mental gymnastics that triggered Trumpers go through is hilarious. 

A) I didn’t name anyone, more pointing out the hilarious subconscious that I think goes into worrying about what song someone listens to and what they’ll do with it. Its like inverse Tipper Gore. We need to protect good music so bad people aren’t influenced. 

B) possibly but freedom is a 2 sided coin. I don’t know who that is but axl rose can’t stop the public from listening to his music. Profiting sure but how do it quantify that if it’s used at a political rally for example? 

What level open mindedness do you have to reach before calling others “nonsensical and irrelevant” and stating their Donald Trump allegiance triggers them into “hilarious mental gymnastics.” Truly curious I’d like to know.

Teacher teacher, the student I don’t like is playing music I like and I don’t want my classmates to hear him playing the music I like and think if he likes it than he’s ok because I like it and I’m ok. Please tell me I’m ok and my music choice is good and only good people with my output of the world can use this song to promote them, because like I said if people hear that good song and see him, and me, knowing I don’t like the song, or him, that will not be something that makes me feel wholesome 

On 10/26/2018 at 10:38 AM, RussTCB said:

Couldn't disagree more. Playing someone's music at your rally implies that you have their endorsement. If I were an artist who's music was used at a rally for a politician I claimed to disagree with, I would do everything I could to make sure people know I'm not associated with that person.

Couldn't disagree more. I’d never go to a politician rally and hear night moves and think fuck! She must have Seger’s vote anymore than I think axl is rooting for the patriots when they play WTTJ at every game.