axl8302

Would you like to see my privates?

Yeah, we know. It's in the other thread.

Well, at least this wasn't a private message you posted this time.

His favorite movie is Step Up 2: The Streets and from what I've heard, he loves Lasagne. Yum. Yum.

When people say Axl's voice is fine for this DVD/cinema release, it's like they think they are better fans!?

Well to me, they just sound like people who don't actually *listen* to the sound at all.

This a good move and a bad move.

Of course everyone is happy something is being released, and the band sounds killer!

But come on... 14 years, YCBM etc - vocals are barely a shell of their original & how we know Axl can STILL perform on good nights.

And this should be showcased to the world in a DVD/cinema release?

So what? Axl sounds better on the Paris 92 broadcast than he does on the Use Your Illusion DVD's, what did that change? What does it matter? It doesn't affect anything. It doesn't mean anything. I was at the show, they were great, I'm sure the dvd will be great too. If you don't like Axl's voice, stop listening to it. Don't buy the DVD.

I respect Axl. He does whatever HE wants to do when HE wants to do it, nothing more - for no one. No one owns him, he is just a musician.

Slash on the other hand plays with Black Eyed Peas, Fergie, Puff Daddy etc. Released a book, does every kinds of interviews. He's trying too hard IMO. I expect Slash to release a Slash perfume and a clothing line when he's done with his new band. Then, when he needs more attention he will get Velvet Revolver back together. Of course, he will be talking about Guns N' Roses and/or Axl in between all of these things to get more media attention.

Unlike you though, most be are able to look at situations and events with logic, common sense and without Axl bias.

Look how ridiculous your statement is.

You respect Axl for choosing to do what he wants to do in life. But you don't respect Slash for doing what he wants with his life and career.

Because Axl is his own master. And some mysterious force is controlling Slash and forcing him to do things he doesn't want to do?

Slash is a musician. And he enjoys playing music with a wide variety of people. That removes him from your list of people you respect? Weird.

Your statement is extremely flawed and makes no sense. What you meant to say is that you respect Axl in everything he does. And you don't like Slash.

No offensive, but most people on here don't take your posts seriously. All you do is praise Axl's every move, no matter what it is. If in 2013 Axl went out in public more, attended more events, did the talk show circuit, performed with other famous musicians (aka followed Slash's fan friendly lead) I would bet money that you wouldn't be on here complaining about it.

"I lost the respect I had for Axl. He is trying to hard now to be in the public eye. He isn't doing what HE wants to do."

There is no way in a million years you would apply the same standard to Axl that you do to Slash.

But like I said. Luckily the majority of people in the world use logic and common sense when judging people's actions and aren't tied to an Axl bias on everything they do.

You misunderstood what I meant. They're both musicians. Instead of focusing on his music and promote it by himself with his own, he needs to go on stage with hip-hop artists (the worst of the worst), release books and appear on games. In the older days, I bet Slash would laugh at someone doing this. And I think it's pathetic. I'd be disappointed if Axl went up on stage with Fergie and Black Eyed Peas with a glitter bandana. Just my opinion.

But initially you said that you respect Axl for choosing his own path..........while you disrespect Slash for doing the SAME thing.

Axl likes to play the recluse role.

Slash doesn't. Slash is a guitar player and he ENJOYS playing with a variety of artists. I think it's awesome that he doesn't limit himself to just rock and is willing to play with a variety of different genres. I'm flabbergasted that anybody would think that was a bad thing.

Just because YOU don't like hip hop artists, doesn't mean that everybody else in the world agrees with you. Fergie and the Black Eyed Peas are WAY bigger than Axl and GnR are right now.

You would be dissapointed if Axl went on stage with Fergie.......but you are cool with him playing weddings?

Slash is a sell out, but your cool with Axl doing various video games.

Listen here Jeez. Honestly, I don't really care if people hate/love Axl or Slash. All of us are allowed to like and dislike who we want. All of us are allowed to like and dislike whatever music we want. I just hope that you do it all for the right reason. And there is a small portion of people on this forum that see every issue through "Axl is right, Slash is wrong......now tell me the details of the issue?" And no offense, but you seem to be one of those people. You don't seem to be judging Axl and Slash by the same standards, and that doesn't seem right.

I personally thought the super bowl performance was stupid, and I hated the Paradise City rap version. But I can't fault Slash for doing what HE wants to do. It is his career, let him enjoy it. AND it is comical how people bash Slash's music and being generic and stuck in the 80s and no creativity............then later bash him for branching out and playing with michael jackson, Fergie, etc.

I just don't base my decisions on whether or not it is Slash or Axl involved. And I think there is a group of posters on here that aren't capable of doing that. NOT saying you do that....but it seems like you do.

Once again, you think Slash played at the Super Bowl because he likes playing Sweet Child O'Mine in a glitter decorated hat to Black Eyed Peas' night club techno dance rythms? You think Slash would be posing for Guitar Hero if he didn't need the promotion? Wake up dude.

And where am I saying that Slash did no wrong? There are plenty of things I could criticize Slash for, like the crap version of Paradise City but you're criticizing him for things you shouldn't have to.

I had a feeling someone would mention GTA. How much promotion was there around Axl doing a radio voice in GTA? Was Axl posing on the cover of the game? Did he do tons of interviews about it, where he claims GTA is such an awesome game and everyone just has to buy it?

Nice try though.

Why would they promote something that is not the highlight of the game? The fact is, Axl did it, and it doesn't matter how much exposure it had. He was in the game, doing something which it wasn't Gn'R related and yep, I think he got paid for doing it. Do you even know why you call someone a media whore? Check out your facts and come back.

The T-shirt I have says "UK tour", so I guess you don't know what you're talking about (as usual).

And? Those shows belong to the European leg of the tour and are reported by AEG Live as so. Period.

Central American Tour 2007, SOLD OUT.

Oh holy mother of fucking Jesus Shit. What the fucking fuck??!!!!

Put out ANY fucking show from 2010. ANY FUCKING ONE! Not this weak-ass, no rasp, weedy falsetto dross.

And not that I ever had a problem in the beginning with the idea of New Guns but don't advertise them with slogans that relate to the other 4 people who aren't there anymore i.e. most dangerous band in the world. Whoever put that on there and for whatever reason is a douche. It's 2012, that band isn't dangerous to anyone. It'd be like Bon Jovi calling themselves the hot ladykillers, coming to a town near you.

Actually, one thing might come out of this: all of the idiots who claim that Axl's shitty vocals in 2011 and 2012 were down to poor quality youtube recordings and that he sounded amazing at their show blasted through a giant PA with thousands of people singing along, they'll finally have to admit that what's going into the mic at the front end is the same weak-ass crap you can hear in every youtube video and brilliantly-recorded-from-near-the-back flac bootleg.

The web is full of terrible, embarassing pro-shot from the last Rio and plenty of awful performances captured in great quality on iphone 4's from the last few years. Please for the sake of fuck give us something to be proud of and put out a 2010 show.

Erm...what?

I don't get whats so hard to understand. Jordan is absolutely right. No he's not trolling. No he's not hating. I'm not trolling. I'm not hating. Axl was generally FUCKING INCREDIBLE in 2010. Don't know why - why was that particular year so standout?? I heard vocals (Rocket Queen always sticks in mind) that to me where the BEST I'd EVER heard in 2010 - better than 80s/90s even. I don't get why the vocals change so much. But only fans with blinkers on can't tell 2010 apart from all other eras.

And yes I have seen the band live numerous times including the year in question.

Please don't patronize me, I know he's not a "hater" etc im not stupid and I understand what he's saying but i completely disagree. To me, there was little to no difference in the shows I saw in 2010 versus 2012 and in fact, the Manchester 2012 was head and shoulders better than anything I've heard from him since 2006. Furthermore, I think the internet vocal mix experts WAY WAY over analyze Axl's vocals. But hey, just my opinion.

Even as a die-hard Axl Rose fan I can tell you that there was noticeably a different way Axl sounded from 2010 to 2012. In some shows, like Philly, the rasp was in full force in some songs. But, most of the time he sang with the clean vocals. I don't know if it's because he's getting older, he want's to keep his rasp for recording in the studio, or he just doesn't want to use the rasp anymore, but it went somewhere. It is unfortunate that we couldn't get the London 2010 show on DVD as well. Axl was awesome at that show.

It's great news, but I don't get it? Cinema? Sounds like only a hardcore fan will go?

It will be released on DVD as well.

I may well me in the minority then...I believe you, I just HONESTLY dont get it?

It's just a preference some have that I agree is over-exaggerated. I prefer the cleaner tone, especially on the ballads.

If anything I think Axl makes a conscious decision to not strain his chest voice to hit certain higher notes that it shouldn't be used to hit, and I think based on how he sounds, he sings with a more open throat. I understand some may prefer the raspier sound, but the way that sound is often achieved isn't particularly healthy for your vocal cords.

Ali

I have no doubt it's a choice and very sensible one.

Uk Subs: I have listened to every single New GNR bootleg since 2001 and have all that are of reasonable quality on iTunes. As you can see here I have listened to some of the Chinese songs from Lille 2010 between 30, 40 and 50 times.

There is absolutely no comparison to be made between Toronto, Lille, London, Arnheim 2010 and anything from 2011, 2012 including Pittsburgh.

If it was just a German cinema release or webstream for fans then i'd get over it. But now masses of casual fans and Old Guns fans who don't listen to bootlegs or go to multiple shows or post on message boards are going to see and buy this performance and think that Axl's voice is a complete shadow of what they used to know and frankly embarassing at times. I just can't see how this can do anything except damage his reputation even more. I'm sure the London show sounded fantastic when you were there, just as Birmingham and Nottingham did to me: it was coming through a friggin giant PA and I was singing like a nutter and drunk. But to sit and listen to the raw vocal at a more normal level betrays how terribly weak it is.

They record all the friggin shows and i'm sure they could find a 2010 show to put out even if it wasn't HD or whatever. Michael Jackson is dead and the only show they could put out from his Bad Tour was a single VHS copy he kept. Axl is alive and if he couldn't pull out a 2010-level performance knowing he was being filmed for a DVD etc then i'd rather it wasn't released. Because us hardcore fans can download all the great DVDs and bootlegs and soundboards we want and we don't need it but casual fans and critics are just going to go and see this and think Axl sounds like dog shit and it will be said and written about all over the friggin world.

You take things very seriously. Be honest, we wont judge you; were you crying when you wrote that last sentence??

I respect Axl. He does whatever HE wants to do when HE wants to do it, nothing more - for no one. No one owns him, he is just a musician.

Slash on the other hand plays with Black Eyed Peas, Fergie, Puff Daddy etc. Released a book, does every kinds of interviews. He's trying too hard IMO. I expect Slash to release a Slash perfume and a clothing line when he's done with his new band. Then, when he needs more attention he will get Velvet Revolver back together. Of course, he will be talking about Guns N' Roses and/or Axl in between all of these things to get more media attention.

Unlike you though, most be are able to look at situations and events with logic, common sense and without Axl bias.

Look how ridiculous your statement is.

You respect Axl for choosing to do what he wants to do in life. But you don't respect Slash for doing what he wants with his life and career.

Because Axl is his own master. And some mysterious force is controlling Slash and forcing him to do things he doesn't want to do?

Slash is a musician. And he enjoys playing music with a wide variety of people. That removes him from your list of people you respect? Weird.

Your statement is extremely flawed and makes no sense. What you meant to say is that you respect Axl in everything he does. And you don't like Slash.

No offensive, but most people on here don't take your posts seriously. All you do is praise Axl's every move, no matter what it is. If in 2013 Axl went out in public more, attended more events, did the talk show circuit, performed with other famous musicians (aka followed Slash's fan friendly lead) I would bet money that you wouldn't be on here complaining about it.

"I lost the respect I had for Axl. He is trying to hard now to be in the public eye. He isn't doing what HE wants to do."

There is no way in a million years you would apply the same standard to Axl that you do to Slash.

But like I said. Luckily the majority of people in the world use logic and common sense when judging people's actions and aren't tied to an Axl bias on everything they do.

Stop derailing this thread with your bullshit... we've heard all of this b4, change the record.

I respect Axl. He does whatever HE wants to do when HE wants to do it, nothing more - for no one. No one owns him, he is just a musician.

Slash on the other hand plays with Black Eyed Peas, Fergie, Puff Daddy etc. Released a book, does every kinds of interviews. He's trying too hard IMO. I expect Slash to release a Slash perfume and a clothing line when he's done with his new band. Then, when he needs more attention he will get Velvet Revolver back together. Of course, he will be talking about Guns N' Roses and/or Axl in between all of these things to get more media attention.

And Slash does what he wants too. He gets asked to do his guest appearances and he's cool enough to accept, why do you think there's always a monetary incentive? He said he performed with Jamie Foxx and T-Pain because Jamie called him and he didn't want to say no -- it was Jamie (the actor).

Trying too hard for what dude? I remember you Axl did DJ Smith voice in GTA San Andreas. I guess, that's not selling out? So Activision gets Slash to feature one of his games and Slash is being pathetic, but in the other hand, Axl is not pathetic for being a virtual radio host in a virtual game? He's actually a hero and you probably love GTA right?

In the bigger picture, Slash isn't a big selling act. He doesn't fill arena's of 12,000+. When he tours he tours relatively small venues, in many ways he's struggling compared to Axl. So, he needs all the attention he can get........

Axl doesn't even tweet and he can sell out a tour and headline festivals.

Axl has the Guns N' Roses name and Axl has never sold out a "tour" just some "shows", I saw the numbers for the 2009-2012 Tour provided by Billboard Boxscore and they're not really great (considering Axl Rose has the name). So, apples and oranges.

EVERY UK show in 2010 sold out.

And those shows belong to the European leg of the tour. I didn't say he has not been able to sold out shows, just not a tour.

The T-shirt I have says "UK tour", so I guess you don't know what you're talking about (as usual).

omg, i really fucked up.... dindnt wanted to fight with him, I said I think i his a great man.. wow... i fucked up posting the pm but i never wanted to fight with him and then the insults came.. but never did it with bad intentions just to show you that ACTUALLY they where not working on an album and the thing that ron said. It should have stayed private? yes. Where the insults nessesary? no way. Just wanted to share it with you guys but things got out of control.

shut up already dude.

I respect Axl. He does whatever HE wants to do when HE wants to do it, nothing more - for no one. No one owns him, he is just a musician.

Slash on the other hand plays with Black Eyed Peas, Fergie, Puff Daddy etc. Released a book, does every kinds of interviews. He's trying too hard IMO. I expect Slash to release a Slash perfume and a clothing line when he's done with his new band. Then, when he needs more attention he will get Velvet Revolver back together. Of course, he will be talking about Guns N' Roses and/or Axl in between all of these things to get more media attention.

And Slash does what he wants too. He gets asked to do his guest appearances and he's cool enough to accept, why do you think there's always a monetary incentive? He said he performed with Jamie Foxx and T-Pain because Jamie called him and he didn't want to say no -- it was Jamie (the actor).

Trying too hard for what dude? I remember you Axl did DJ Smith voice in GTA San Andreas. I guess, that's not selling out? So Activision gets Slash to feature one of his games and Slash is being pathetic, but in the other hand, Axl is not pathetic for being a virtual radio host in a virtual game? He's actually a hero and you probably love GTA right?

In the bigger picture, Slash isn't a big selling act. He doesn't fill arena's of 12,000+. When he tours he tours relatively small venues, in many ways he's struggling compared to Axl. So, he needs all the attention he can get........

Axl doesn't even tweet and he can sell out a tour and headline festivals.

Axl has the Guns N' Roses name and Axl has never sold out a "tour" just some "shows", I saw the numbers for the 2009-2012 Tour provided by Billboard Boxscore and they're not really great (considering Axl Rose has the name). So, apples and oranges.

EVERY UK show in 2010 sold out.

I respect Axl. He does whatever HE wants to do when HE wants to do it, nothing more - for no one. No one owns him, he is just a musician.

Slash on the other hand plays with Black Eyed Peas, Fergie, Puff Daddy etc. Released a book, does every kinds of interviews. He's trying too hard IMO. I expect Slash to release a Slash perfume and a clothing line when he's done with his new band. Then, when he needs more attention he will get Velvet Revolver back together. Of course, he will be talking about Guns N' Roses and/or Axl in between all of these things to get more media attention.

And Slash does what he wants too. He gets asked to do his guest appearances and he's cool enough to accept, why do you think there's always a monetary incentive? He said he performed with Jamie Foxx and T-Pain because Jamie called him and he didn't want to say no -- it was Jamie (the actor).

Trying too hard for what dude? I remember you Axl did DJ Smith voice in GTA San Andreas. I guess, that's not selling out? So Activision gets Slash to feature one of his games and Slash is being pathetic, but in the other hand, Axl is not pathetic for being a virtual radio host in a virtual game? He's actually a hero and you probably love GTA right?

He's gonna blow!

I don't care about any bonus material, aslong they over-dub the terrible vocals of Axls with something decent, I'll buy the DVD.

The vocals weren't "terrible" and they're not going to overdub the vocals, so jog on, dick dunker!

DVD?! That's nice although it shouldn't really have Izzy on it if the focus is on the current band... I have nothing against Izzy performing with GNR but to think that the "highlight" of the only new DVD is going to be an old member appearing for a few songs is in my opinion too much nostalgia.

Stop moaning, for christ sake.

Is this on their facebook page, where did you see this? I am a tad skeptical about this. I don't do facebook, cause I am not gay, and I don't like people posting pictures of their food. But is this official? If so, looks cool.

If it is, how funny is that? Axl using the RRHOF tag line. That is what makes me skeptical.....

I was right about the fake video....

You're perhaps the most stupid person that ever existed.

Lame if true

Oh, you'd prefer dancing men? No problem!

Honestly,

Going into the gig Axl knew they had 90 cameras or whatever. It's kinda his own fault he didn't prepare, so he's gonna get crap for it. He lost his rasp again from 2009/2010-2011/2012. Yeah hellfest shows some good moments... but good moments are all he's had with the rasp lately. It's hard as hell to sing like that, maybe he's just trying to leave those days behind.

I'd rather listen to crappy dublin bootleg 2010 over any 2011 / 2012 pro shot personally.

Maybe he didn't want to sing with his "rasp".

great news. some posters here considered slash doing talk shows "selling out". and now that's axl everything's fine. lol.

You're just a bitter little cupcake!

This is awesome!!

Duffs book is great, Slash's book is boring, Stevens is OK.

Be aware, though, that Adler didn't write his autobiography, that he stole it from his ghostwriter who made up most of it and never got paid

You serious brah?

it's just a bbf fanboy expressing his hate of the original guns n'roses

It's true actually, idiot.

Well in some parts of the world gnr can play stadiums like south and central america,germany some eastern europe countries (bulgaria,romania),japan,australia,india...gnr is big band maybe not bih like in 90'es,but still big...

Absolutely, no dispute whatsoever, It would be nice If that was still the case In the U.S

It wouldn't be nice for you, because you're not a fan.

So attending concerts, having 50 shows on DVD, listening to guns music on a daily basis and having guns n roses related tattoos from shoulder to wrist doesn't constitute being a fan? Would you mind telling me what It takes?

What a geek! ahahahahahah

Iron Maiden pretty much trumps GN'R in every objective way.

Please, explain...

Iron Maiden is much better to the fans and is in general bigger worldwide.

Those are pretty much the only objective ways to compare two bands, I would say.

How EXACTLY are they "bigger worldwide"? Please explain...

Iron Maiden pretty much trumps GN'R in every objective way.

Please, explain...

All GnR needs to succeed is Axl.

End of story.

There's no GN'R without Slash, Duff and Izzy.

That's factually incorrect. Now, please, leave this forum and never return. You make me want to vomit.