Gash

Love that song. Thought about trying to get my band to cover it before now.

A couple of things that I would dispute.

- The American scene "following" the U.K one. People can bitch allday but I feel that the two movements were fairly independent of each other in origin.

- Anarchist groups being defined as "extreme left wing" when anarchism doesn't tend to fall under the traditional right, left spectrum.

- Fairly pedantic one, but the band spell it "X-Ray Spex"

If you wanted to add anything, you could cover the straight edge movement I guess? And the Dead Kennedys I would say warrant a mention. Overall though, pretty informative and an entertaining style. You can tell it's something you enjoy. Good luck with it!

I'm only really familiar with him from his 13th Floor Elevators days.

Just checking out the song you linked though. Quite like it so far.

I dig his music. Something I have to be in the mood for though.

Whenever he is mentioned Drake is always brought up, partly because, you know, it's quite melancholy material but I think also because of the similarities surrounding their deaths. I think it's a bit condescending to Smith as an artist really, as if he was just a 90's Drake.

As for God of the indie kids, I haven't been keeping up. I'll have to visit pitchfork media again. Is post-ironic still in? Or is that uncool now?

Man I hadn't listened to them in years.

Listening to them again now, great band, prefer Fugazi though.

The only Welsh music I've really heard was some Welsh folk music that I happened to catch on the radio travelling past Bristol, which I liked a lot. Although I'll often deny it (especially in times of rugby union), I do like the sound of the Welsh language.

I'll do some research tomorrow.

I've only really got into the "Holy Bible" album. I should really check out "Generation Terrorists" sooner or later really.

I see their later stuff and it just makes me cringe.

That song sounds like a cross between Jet and the Arctic Monkeys at the start. Haha.

It's as dead or as alive as it's ever been. You'll always get creative types who'll pick up on things, do what they want for the sheer joy of doing it and live accordingly to their own values.

And you'll always find people who pick up on this and see something they can market. You know, I feel "movements" and "scenes" don't really exist till someone thinks they can get some money out of something.

I realised I didn't really care whether it was "alive" or "dead" when I played at one of these punk festivals full of aging punk rockers who just sat around and drank in their little clans, yelled at me to "MOOOVE" and only paid any attention to the music when it was one of their friends' bands playing. Figured that they weren't really interested in anything particularly progressive. Although you know, I've met very nice genuine punks but a hell of a lot of them are incredibly cliquey.

Fuckin bury it already.

In one of these things?

I've only got the Begin to Hope album but I really like it.

"Summer in the City" is an amazing song.

I like them although I prefer Flogging Molly. If you like the Dropkick Murphys and you haven't heard them, I'd recommend them.

good ol' Talcum McLaren, always trying to get in on the ground floor. did you know he invented hip hop as well as punk?

And also "Hip -Hopera"

Heard no songs except for one which had an incredible bass solo.

At least i think it was Rancid....

I would guess that was Maxwell Murder.

Matt Freeman is amazing.

Like Rancid a lot although I never did hear Tim Armstrong's recent solo album, anybody got any opinions on it? I think I shyed away from it because I kept having Transplants flashbacks. They come at the most unexpected times. I don't want to talk about it.

For the haters, I would say that, in my opinion, Rancid put on a far better show than Velvet Revolver or Nu-Guns N' Roses (the latter on both times I've seen them.) Put together almost.

Personally I hope they explore a bit more of a different direction. Although I liked their last album, they did play it a little safe.

Just to continue what I said about Morrisey's lyrics.. I'm listening to There Is A Light That Never Goes Out today. Great song and one of my favs from The Smiths.

But I just can't take some of the lyrics seriously.

"And if a double-decker bus

Crashes into us

To die by your side

Is such a heavenly way to die

And if a ten-ton truck

Kills the both of us

To die by your side

Well, the pleasure the privilege is mine"

It's not a big deal, but it's stuff like that keeps me from really loving the band like I do others.

Personally, I've always thought that Morrissey's lyrics had a certain humour (often self-deprecating) about them in that you weren't meant to take so seriously.

No bad songs? "Meat is Murder" (the song, not the album.)

Do I get a prize?

Thats most likely because "Lonesome Traveller" isn't a Jack Kerouac novel in the traditional sense (not taking part in the semi-autobiographical chronological series of works that Kerouac was going to entitle the "Dululoz Legend", inspired by Faust.) Instead it was a collection of journal entries and odds and ends. I think he may have even had bits of it published in literary magazines e.t.c but I'm not definate on that.

Another example of this would be when Kerouac had "The Mexican Girl" published which was an excerpt from "On the Road" when he meets up with Terry.

i was thinkin the same thing actually cuz its like that in a couple of other instances huh? like that play of his Beat Generation that they found in some warehouse in Jersey a couple years back and released, its actually just a chunk of Desolation Angels in play-form. thanx though for clearing that up

No worries. I've never read that "Beat Generation" play, have you? How is it?

Thats most likely because "Lonesome Traveller" isn't a Jack Kerouac novel in the traditional sense (not taking part in the semi-autobiographical chronological series of works that Kerouac was going to entitle the "Dululoz Legend", inspired by Faust.) Instead it was a collection of journal entries and odds and ends. I think he may have even had bits of it published in literary magazines e.t.c but I'm not definate on that.

Another example of this would be when Kerouac had "The Mexican Girl" published which was an excerpt from "On the Road" when he meets up with Terry.

Not sure if this belongs in here or anything goes.

Does anybody absolutely hate this phrase when trying to talk to somebody about music? As if the recipient obviously missed something because they obviously can't have picked up on it and not liked it?

For those not fluent in conversing with those practicing "Moron English", to loosely translate, "You just don't get it" means

"I am so superior to you, that when I listen to music, I hear it on a higher astral plane of enjoyment that you can't even contemplate, therefore your opinion is worthless."

Not only is it completely patronising but the statement reveals a certain defensiveness about it as well, it sounds sort of reactionary as if the person has just been personally insulted by somebody not liking the same music that they do. As if their taste in music is threatened by somebody not thinking the same way that they do.

It just has no place in a reasonable discussion about music whatsoever. I mean, if you feel somebody hasn't caught onto something that you enjoy in a piece of music, just ask them if they latched onto it. You know, explain what you like about it, maybe they'd explain what they don't like about it and before you know it, you've got, shock horror, a mature, adult conversation that you might just learn something from instead of acting like a spoilt child, going "you just don't get it" and throwing all of your toys out of the pram.

It applies to all arts really, but music is probably the one I hear it in the most.

Pavement-"Slanted & Enchanted"

The critics love;but despite repeated listens...I just don't get it.

I've always preferred their follow up "Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain" to this one. I'd recommend that one if you haven't been put off completely.

I agree with Pain Cake on "Disintegration." While there are a couple of good songs, the album as a whole is dull and terribly overrated. Prefer "Head on the Door" but I still see them as more of a singles band.

Personally, I don't really mind if people want to listen to music or see it as an integral part of their lives because I know it is part of mine, I have a good few friends whom see it as theirs too (some whom I'm in bands with) and live in a city where you can go hear live music of a high quality any day of the week. I don't really care if the music industry dies, if anything, I long for it and find it much healthier if bands get the majority of their income from touring rather than recorded music.

It's always nice when you find someone whom you can talk to about music but, on the grand scheme of things, I'm not fretting too much if people don't know their MC5 from their Jackson 5.

I can't believe you missed that, fuckhead.

Yeah RJ88! I mean, he's pretty hard to miss, you know, with that KFC bucket on his head!!!!

Thanks for the advice everyone! Finding it pretty hard at the moment and will for awhile because I have a lot of things on my plate, but I'll get down to it more soon.

Good job the RSPCA don't cover trumpets or I'd be locked away at this rate.

yeah, theyre a bit too glam and metal for my taste.

Guns N' Roses had a more Glam image.

I beg to differ.

Anyway, although I originally posted this years ago, I still really like them. I haven't heard a proper full version of their latest song yet, only bad quality clips, if anyone can hook me up with pm I'd be grateful.

Hope there is a tour, even though I probably know absolutely nobody whom would go with me.