Evil Ernie

Slush isn't the lead guitarist?

None of the answers to that question was correct.

The question 'is' the lead guitarist, and no matter what anyone says the LG is Ron or DJ.

Another GNR album in the 90's?

IMO it would have been one of the biggest sellers of the decade. Possibly more than IYI's.

Shakira?? As in Hips Don't Lie and Shewolf Shakira??

Do you know the songs that include the album Laundry Service? No, you don't.

That album is better than CD. That is, considering CD is the worst album of the 00s. And yes, I agree people have shitty taste in music but it is what it is.

So what's your excuse?

Btw, Laundry Service IS actually a really good album. Than again I'm actually a music fan. I prefer to look at what's good rather than what it's not.

And... Worst album of the 00's? It's clear that you're the biggest cupcake on this forum.

If CD is the worst album of the 00's than AFD is the worst album of all time. Followed by The White Album and Bat Out Of Hell. If you think you can be ridiculous I can top you any day of the week.

What's Ron doing at around 0:23 , kinda looks like he's signaling to DJ to tune his guitar lol

It's because a pro should be able to either compensate or give the string a quick tune.

Or... just stop as soon as you realize that it's not right, apologize, quick tune and go. It's happened to me.

Fortus a virtuoso.... Hahahahahaha! Righttttt....

I consider guys like Paco DeLucia, and Al Di Meola virtuosos too even though they don't do the more shreddy stuff.

Huh?

IMO they were the creators of shred.

BTW, RIP Paco De Lucia

He probably meant he is better than Slash on a technical level and with theory. It isn't a slight towards Slash, as Slash is obviously a great player who has written some amazing things.

Oh cool, guess what? I'm a musician. So, using words like "theory" won't shut me up. What aspect of music theory do you guys know that Slash does not? Please, be as technical as you like.

And what technical differences are you talking about? Again, be as detailed as you please. Any phrases you throw at me, rest assure, I'm well-versed in it.

Anyways, chill the fuck out. I am a big Slash fan and you are a mean spirited jagoff and I am not the only one who thinks so on here. But whatever, it is the internet dude

Ya, chill out. I was just being cheeky.

Here is one video I really enjoy. He goes over some of his GNR stuff, but I really like listening to him. He knows his theory and everything and does some pretty great stuff in the second half.

There are a lot more "shreddy" ones more like Ron and Bucket I've seen him do at gigs and in videos. I'll dig around for those later. Definitely watch all of that video if you can

This one is slower but he still does some pretty complex things in it. Great solo too

Great vids. Awesome guitar and gadget in the 2nd one.

He probably meant he is better than Slash on a technical level and with theory. It isn't a slight towards Slash, as Slash is obviously a great player who has written some amazing things.

Oh cool, guess what? I'm a musician. So, using words like "theory" won't shut me up. What aspect of music theory do you guys know that Slash does not? Please, be as technical as you like.

And what technical differences are you talking about? Again, be as detailed as you please. Any phrases you throw at me, rest assure, I'm well-versed in it.

Anyways, chill the fuck out. I am a big Slash fan and you are a mean spirited jagoff and I am not the only one who thinks so on here. But whatever, it is the internet dude

Ya, chill out. I was just being cheeky.

He probably meant he is better than Slash on a technical level and with theory. It isn't a slight towards Slash, as Slash is obviously a great player who has written some amazing things.

Oh cool, guess what? I'm a musician. So, using words like "theory" won't shut me up. What aspect of music theory do you guys know that Slash does not? Please, be as technical as you like.

And what technical differences are you talking about? Again, be as detailed as you please. Any phrases you throw at me, rest assure, I'm well-versed in it.

Well I went to music school for 3 years. Slash did not. I doubt that Slash knows almost anything about musical theory or how to read music. So in that aspect I know more than him. He probably knows nothing about relative majors/minors, tritone substitution, chord extensions or exotic scales.

Slash can't sweep.

Slash can't alternate pick.

Slash can't finger tap with 2-3 fingers on the right hand.

Slash can't play finger nails.

Slash can't string skip fluently.

There are thousands of players better than Slash that you have never heard of and probably never will.

I play mostly Jazz and progressive, so I doubt that my music would ever have the appeal of his. I retain my right to be a musical snob.

That said, the November Rain solo is pretty good.

Yes DJ, Slash and Izzy are all that's needed to play these songs.

In all seriousness, I understand why Axl wants three guitarists, or at least I did at some point. The material he was working on called for a shredder, but now that the CD songs make up a very, very small portion of the set, he could do with just BBF and Fortus.

Didn't the 3 guitarists thing happen because he started out his new band with Paul Huge and Robin, then Robin left and Axl brought in Bucket, then Robin wanted to return and instead of punting Paul or Bucket Axl kept all three?

I think that's how it went. I think he wanted both of them, so he kept both. Than he needed someone to play Buckets parts when he left, so therefore Ron.

"Could two of us pull off the songs" Absolutely not. Could two skilled guitarists pull off the songs.. Absolutely.

Edit: Actually to be fair maybe he was referring to Ron and Richard. In that case he would be correct.

As long as you have Ron in there you could do it.

I don't think Fortus is that much better or worse than Ashba. DJ gets exposed because he plays far more leads.

Dude, Fortus is a virtuoso. He is actually better at certain things than even Ron (although I think Ron is better overall). You don't see it much since he is GNR's primary rhythm guy, but Richard is an absolute monster. Leagues better than Ashba

He's good. Not sure I'd call him a virtuoso, though.

Well you can't really dispute his technical skills. Its a fact his skill level can easily be considered "virtuoso." Unfortunately, he doesn't utilize that talent much inside and outside GNR. There are zero studio recordings of him really doing something great (unless someone can show me otherwise). I think he has the technical chops but not necessarily the creativity.

Being a pretty damn good player myself, Richard is really, really good, but I have a high standard when it comes to being called a virtuoso.

Michael Romeo, Shawn Lane, BBF, Buckethead, Paul Gilbert, Steve Vai, Allan Holdsworth, & Greg Howe are examples. I don't give them that title unless they make me consider giving up.

btw: I'm not saying that I'm anywhere near as good as any player mentioned above...

Way better than Slash though...

Yeah, I play too. And Slash is still really great! People don't realize he actually has written some pretty intricate things and isn't just a "pentonic" player. I don't doubt you are better than him, though.

Those guys you all named are excellent too, obviously. I know Richard's style isn't that of a typical virtuoso guy, and he has that more soul kind of thing going for him. But he has legit done things that have made my jaw drop like every one of those other players. As rockerroller said, it is a damn shame he hasn't really done anything showcasing what he can do. He is a session musician primarily and that is fine, but I know he could do greater things.

Could you show me some vids of him doing some of these jaw dropping guitar aerobics?

Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious, as I've always just considered him just 'pretty good'. I saw him playing some tasty licks in some sort of promotional video for guitar gear, but didn't really blow my mind.

Am I the only one who think he looks better with the jackets, hats and the glasses on? He's quite fat, his hair is awful and the glasses make him look younger.

Some of the jackets are ugly, yes, but I totally understand why he covers up.

But on the residency he looked ok with just the bandana, it depends of his confidence level and how he shows himself

This is purely my speculation, I have no real evidence for this besides what I observe. I could be wrong. (I don't want dexter tearing me a new asshole).

But I think I purely has to do with his alcohol intake. This is why he can look and sound like shit one week (South America) and than he lays off the sauce for 3 weeks and sounds like the Rock God that he is.

I'm not saying that he's out of control and on death watch, but it makes total sense IMO.

2006 Axl is hard to beat as a total package in my opinion. Possibly my favorite ever but I could be biased as that was the first time I saw him. He just oozed badass.

So agreed. He REFINED his new look. He had a little bit of 2002 and a whole lotta fashion sense.

"Could two of us pull off the songs" Absolutely not. Could two skilled guitarists pull off the songs.. Absolutely.

Edit: Actually to be fair maybe he was referring to Ron and Richard. In that case he would be correct.

As long as you have Ron in there you could do it.

I don't think Fortus is that much better or worse than Ashba. DJ gets exposed because he plays far more leads.

Dude, Fortus is a virtuoso. He is actually better at certain things than even Ron (although I think Ron is better overall). You don't see it much since he is GNR's primary rhythm guy, but Richard is an absolute monster. Leagues better than Ashba

He's good. Not sure I'd call him a virtuoso, though.

Well you can't really dispute his technical skills. Its a fact his skill level can easily be considered "virtuoso." Unfortunately, he doesn't utilize that talent much inside and outside GNR. There are zero studio recordings of him really doing something great (unless someone can show me otherwise). I think he has the technical chops but not necessarily the creativity.

Being a pretty damn good player myself, Richard is really, really good, but I have a high standard when it comes to being called a virtuoso.

Michael Romeo, Shawn Lane, BBF, Buckethead, Paul Gilbert, Steve Vai, Allan Holdsworth, & Greg Howe are examples. I don't give them that title unless they make me consider giving up.

btw: I'm not saying that I'm anywhere near as good as any player mentioned above...

Way better than Slash though...

"Could two of us pull off the songs" Absolutely not. Could two skilled guitarists pull off the songs.. Absolutely.

Edit: Actually to be fair maybe he was referring to Ron and Richard. In that case he would be correct.

As long as you have Ron in there you could do it.

I don't think Fortus is that much better or worse than Ashba. DJ gets exposed because he plays far more leads.

Dude, Fortus is a virtuoso. He is actually better at certain things than even Ron (although I think Ron is better overall). You don't see it much since he is GNR's primary rhythm guy, but Richard is an absolute monster. Leagues better than Ashba

He's good. Not sure I'd call him a virtuoso, though.

Ashba was also asked if he thinks three guitarists are really necessary to perform the GUNS N' ROSES material live. "I don't," he admitted. "I don't, but I get it. Could two of us pull off those songs? Absolutely.But I think what's cool, and where Axl is coming from is he wants it to sound like the record;

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As long as the 2 guitarists are fortus and Ron then yes ashba you're right, otherwise

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yeah.

to me, speaking about nu gnr, the 2 guitar players would be bucket and fortus.

Last I heard Buckethead left the band.

"Could two of us pull off the songs" Absolutely not. Could two skilled guitarists pull off the songs.. Absolutely.

Edit: Actually to be fair maybe he was referring to Ron and Richard. In that case he would be correct.

As long as you have Ron in there you could do it.

I don't think Fortus is that much better or worse than Ashba. DJ gets exposed because he plays far more leads.

Appetite, Lies and Illusion all piss on Democracy. It is so one-sided, there shouldn't even be a discussion about it.

I haven't listened to any of those records in years.

Boring.

cupcakes are boring.

Agreed. It's amazing how many people want to cupcake on CD.

tl;dr

Terrible album.

Appetite For Destruction?

Does the title of the thread say "Appetite for Destruction"? No. It says "Chinese Democracy". Why would I be discussing AFD in a CD thread? Only retarded people do that.

Teehee.

Sorry, I just saw 'terrible album' and that was the first thing that came to mind.

Chinese Democracy is the best thing out there with the GNR name attached to it.

:lol: Ok

Name something better...

Every GNR record except for The Spaghetti Incident IMO

I like Chinese Democracy, but I find the quality of the songwriting to be stronger on the other GNR albums. I would rank CD higher if the arrangements and instrumentation was less cluttered and complimented the melodic structures of the songs as opposed to distracting from them - and I wouldn't have minded a couple of stronger songs instead of Riad and Scraped

The many layers is one of the things I love about CD. I can discover something new about it every time that I listen to it.

lol, no album needs defense.

Chinese Copy+Paste is a terrible album. One of the worst rock albums of the 2000s.

I never heard of that record. When was it released? Before or after Chinese Democracy (aka: The Greatest Album Ever).

Slash doesn't hate Axl. He LOVES Axl.

Axl: 11/10

Slash -5/10

Personally myself I hate Slash. 14/11.

Better DJ than Slash.

Appetite, Lies and Illusion all piss on Democracy. It is so one-sided, there shouldn't even be a discussion about it.

I haven't listened to any of those records in years.

Boring.

tl;dr

Terrible album.

Appetite For Destruction?

Chinese Democracy is the best thing out there with the GNR name attached to it.

:lol: Ok

Name something better...