Guns N' Roses have new Manager

[gnr-dave]

pilferk did this thread not go off track after pilferk started bashing me?

And he did because I said Axls manager said he was insane and agreed with it? So that gives him the right to bash?

No, because PILFERK (as in...me) never bashed you.

And I didn't say it gives him the right to bash you. I simply pointed out his one infraction doesn't much compare with your multiple ones...and I only cited the ones directed at me.

I also said, if you consider the cupcake comment bashing:

a ) I don't see the other two insults you say you ignored

b ) doing so doesn't/shouldn't give you carte blanche to treat the rest of those discussing the same topic, the same way.

In case you hadn't noticed, I'm not Jungle Cat. Neither are many of the other posters.

My momma taught me something long ago: Two wrongs don't make a right.

If you want the mods to wield the slapping stick, they should apply it everyone (including you) involved.

So you proved my point, if someone is defending Axl its ok to bash, but if someone is a so called hater its wrong.

I said no such thing. Had I wanted to make that point, I wouldn't have pointed out Junglecats cupcake comment. But I did, didn't I?

If he never made his trolling posts, this thread never would have gone down hill, the mods should have nipped that in the bud and put an end to it but they didnt.

Its funny you are defending him for his trolling, then when I just defend myself and so the same thing back, oh I m wrong.

You'll excuse me if I don't believe you...simply because your diatribe wasn't directed at JC....it was directed at others, including me. Blaming someone else for you derailing is not only a cop out, it's an appalling display of refusing to take any semblance of personal responsibility for your actions.

You can cry that it would never have gone off track if JC had not called you a cupcake.....but it doesn't hold water when the majority of YOUR transgressions had nothing to do with that bent of the conversation.

[quote

You proved my point perfectly, thanks. I knew you would.

the point that the mods should have stepped in and slapped you on the wrist? Thanks...glad I could help.

As for careful what I wish for, please if they would stop the defenders of Axl from trolling on me first, I would never even start up.

And the funny thing is, something the cupcakes still cannot figure out when they start on me, its so easy to push their buttons.

It makes them go crazy, and I just sit back and laugh.

Obviously, by your responses to me....that's not the case. You can try to pass that off as true, but it's pretty transparent. You got ticked off that anyone (someone, I might add, who's worked in a venue, with TM, and has spent about 15+ years in corporate america) would question your supreme knowledge.

You're taking this stuff FAR too personally. The fact that, when someone pretty much obliterates your point, you can only resort to the personal stuff isn't something you can, now, discount.

To now try to blame YOUR actions on JC is beyond laughable. My 5 year old ends up in "time out" when he pulls that stuff....blaming his sisters when HE should know better.

The thead was fine until the first trolling comment was made, and it wasnt made by me.

So you should go talk to that person first, but of course you wont since they were defending Axls honor right?

They're not posting, trying to blame someone else for their actions.

You want me to say the cupcake comment was out of line? Sure. JC could have, instead, addressed WHY your comment was objectionable.

Now go ahead and admit YOU were wrong and apologize. Don't argue. Don't belabor the point. Just apologize (to me, the mods, and the group). And we can all move on.

I suspect you won't, because the truth is the above is just one big cop out. You're rationalizing, deflecting, and trying to shirk your part in all this.

But, to be perfectly clear, it's obvious to everyone else reading this that's not the case. Just so you know.....

You know what to end this BS, i am sorry for being apart of the trolling BS and making it worse

From now on I am just going to ignore it, and choose my words more carefully so it does not come off as bashing.

That will make everyone happy and it will make the board a better place.

We are all fans and should not be fighting over trival stuff.

You are right, and this is getting stupid, we should all be happy Axl is touring again and actually talking to the fans.

[pilferk]

You know what to end this BS, i am sorry for being apart of the trolling BS and making it worse

From now on I am just going to ignore it, and choose my words more carefully so it does not come off as bashing.

That will make everyone happy and it will make the board a better place.

We are all fans and should not be fighting over trival stuff.

You are right, and this is getting stupid, we should all be happy Axl is touring again and actually talking to the fans.

See, now that wasn't so hard. I'm proud of ya, Dave.

Koombayah, my lord...Koombayah...

[gnr-dave]

You know what to end this BS, i am sorry for being apart of the trolling BS and making it worse

From now on I am just going to ignore it, and choose my words more carefully so it does not come off as bashing.

That will make everyone happy and it will make the board a better place.

We are all fans and should not be fighting over trival stuff.

You are right, and this is getting stupid, we should all be happy Axl is touring again and actually talking to the fans.

See, now that wasn't so hard. I'm proud of ya, Dave.

Koombayah, my lord...Koombayah...

I say we all just over and all try to get along.

[realpoti]

No Dave. I didn't miss the part where people have bashed you. It's because you CONSISTENTLY post negative comments about Axl. There is a small group of people on this forum that bash Axl on a daily basis, for everything the does. Axl could could cure cancer, solve world hunger and end all wars, put out an album that sold 50 million copies and 12 number one hits.............. and there are people on this forum would would come on and bash him. "How dare he cure cancer, what an egotistical prick. Look at all the doctors he just cost money. Nurse will be fired. Hospitals will have to raise the prices for other illness's now."

Fans just get tired of the constant bashing.

And besides your constant bashing of Axl, you do two other things that rub people the wrong way.

You seem to always resond to people who disagree with you two ways: you use the "common sense" insult or you make personal attacks against them. And the most annoying one of all --- if somebody is a fan or agrees with Axl, guys like YOU always throw out the "kiss Axl's ass" or swining on Axl's nuts comments.

Dave, I'm 39 years old. I have a great job that I love. I own my own home. I coach little league baseball, attend church every Sunday, coach special olympics, am raising a child as a single parent........."kissing Axl's ass" is just a stupid statement by you, soley designed to insult and discredit me (or anybody else that you disagree with). I could give a fuck if Axl reads my posts or not. If I was 12 years old, I might hope that Axl would read my post, send me a PM, and we'd strike up a great friendship. But at my age, I don't post here to kiss anybody's ass. That is just a ridiculous and juvenile thing for you to say.

I am never going to meet Axl. I'm never going to talk to Axl. I have no reason to kiss his ass - nor anybody's ass. I'm a grown man, my life doesn't work that way. I don't "kiss ass" of anybody. You treat people with dignity and respect, and that's how I live my life. If I ever found myself in the position where I was kissing a rock singer's ass, I would delete my account and step away from the computer and go outside and enjoy the real world.

People would respect your posts and respond in a non-insulting way, if you did the same thing. You are a passionate guy on here, but you need to realize that you really don't know what is going on behind the scenes in Axl's life. Because of a few internet articles and following axl's career through the media, you've come up with a vision of Axl's life in your mind that you ASSUME is fact. Unfortunately, no matter how strongly YOU feel about something - it doesn't make it fact. And unless you are able to respectful accept other people's opinions (even if you disagree) and then have a respectful debate about it - people will continue bashing you.

If you feel people bash you --- ignore those people. Don't fall down to their level.

I almost always disagree with your posts, because you are always bashing Axl, and because you come off like a know-it-all and you are really matter-of-fact about your "opinion" being fact, and if somebody disagrees with you - you always resort to insulting them as a person. ATTACK THE IDEA, NOT THE POSTER. And lose the "kissing Axl's ass" angle. People could say the same thing about you. Are you posting the negative shit all the time, hoping that Axl will read it and get his feelings hurt? Then you can sit back at your computer and pat yourself on the back? "I really got Axl with that one!"

When I grow up I want to be like you. And to write like you too

[Boazg]

You know what to end this BS, i am sorry for being apart of the trolling BS and making it worse

From now on I am just going to ignore it, and choose my words more carefully so it does not come off as bashing.

That will make everyone happy and it will make the board a better place.

We are all fans and should not be fighting over trival stuff.

You are right, and this is getting stupid, we should all be happy Axl is touring again and actually talking to the fans.

See, now that wasn't so hard. I'm proud of ya, Dave.

Koombayah, my lord...Koombayah...

I say we all just over and all try to get along.

Great, that's the real GN'R fan. I'm proud of you too.

[Lesty]

Clearly, Azoff's goal was to reunite Slash and Axl. Given his track record, that had to be his motive all along.

Once that was clearly not going to happen, he probably didn't have any interest in managing them and/or vice versa.

I'm sure Axl wanted a guy that believed in his vision.

[Chris 55]

Clearly, Azoff's goal was to reunite Slash and Axl. Given his track record, that had to be his motive all along.

Once that was clearly not going to happen, he probably didn't have any interest in managing them and/or vice versa.

I'm sure Axl wanted a guy that believed in his vision.

?

Weird theory

[SuperSock]

You know what to end this BS, i am sorry for being apart of the trolling BS and making it worse

From now on I am just going to ignore it, and choose my words more carefully so it does not come off as bashing.

That will make everyone happy and it will make the board a better place.

We are all fans and should not be fighting over trival stuff.

You are right, and this is getting stupid, we should all be happy Axl is touring again and actually talking to the fans.

See, now that wasn't so hard. I'm proud of ya, Dave.

Koombayah, my lord...Koombayah...

I say we all just over and all try to get along.

Great, that's the real GN'R fan. I'm proud of you too.

This is a massive move to make this a better place, hope it holds true- Nice Post Dave

[Ali]

You know what to end this BS, i am sorry for being apart of the trolling BS and making it worse

From now on I am just going to ignore it, and choose my words more carefully so it does not come off as bashing.

That will make everyone happy and it will make the board a better place.

We are all fans and should not be fighting over trival stuff.

You are right, and this is getting stupid, we should all be happy Axl is touring again and actually talking to the fans.

See, now that wasn't so hard. I'm proud of ya, Dave.

Koombayah, my lord...Koombayah...

I say we all just over and all try to get along.

Dave, we've had our disagreements recently, many of them, and they've gotten heated. But, that was a move on your part that demands respect and you certainly have mine for that.

Ali

[Naupis]

Clearly, Azoff's goal was to reunite Slash and Axl. Given his track record, that had to be his motive all along.

Once that was clearly not going to happen, he probably didn't have any interest in managing them and/or vice versa.

I'm sure Axl wanted a guy that believed in his vision.

?

Weird theory

How would that be a weird theory when Azoff has made a career and fortune off of putting together said to be impossible reunions?

Outside of GNR, what act out there is any bigger that has never reunited and has a bigger potential payday behind it were it to ever happen?

Seems to me it makes all the sense in the world a reunion specialist would have been interested in managing the band with the biggest potential big money reunion out there.

It also seems entirely consistent that when it became apparent there was no chance of it happening he bailed because the money managing new GNR is a fraction of what it would be managing a reunited GNR, and given Azoff's stature is just not worth his time in the current incarnation.

[Chris 55]

Clearly, Azoff's goal was to reunite Slash and Axl. Given his track record, that had to be his motive all along.

Once that was clearly not going to happen, he probably didn't have any interest in managing them and/or vice versa.

I'm sure Axl wanted a guy that believed in his vision.

?

Weird theory

How would that be a weird theory when Azoff has made a career and fortune off of putting together said to be impossible reunions?

Outside of GNR, what act out there is any bigger that has never reunited and has a bigger potential payday behind it were it to ever happen?

Seems to me it makes all the sense in the world a reunion specialist would have been interested in managing the band with the biggest potential big money reunion out there.

It also seems entirely consistent that when it became apparent there was no chance of it happening he bailed because the money managing new GNR is a fraction of what it would be managing a reunited GNR, and given Azoff's stature is just not worth his time in the current incarnation.

It's a theory based on nothing. There's no statement from anyone as to why Azoff isn't working with Axl anymore. There are no facts. It's just some people making wild guesses

[gnr-dave]

You know what to end this BS, i am sorry for being apart of the trolling BS and making it worse

From now on I am just going to ignore it, and choose my words more carefully so it does not come off as bashing.

That will make everyone happy and it will make the board a better place.

We are all fans and should not be fighting over trival stuff.

You are right, and this is getting stupid, we should all be happy Axl is touring again and actually talking to the fans.

See, now that wasn't so hard. I'm proud of ya, Dave.

Koombayah, my lord...Koombayah...

I say we all just over and all try to get along.

Dave, we've had our disagreements recently, many of them, and they've gotten heated. But, that was a move on your part that demands respect and you certainly have mine for that.

Ali

Thanks and if you see any of my posts you think may rub people the wrong way, shoot me a PM and Ill do my best to reword it better.

[SuperSock]

You know what to end this BS, i am sorry for being apart of the trolling BS and making it worse

From now on I am just going to ignore it, and choose my words more carefully so it does not come off as bashing.

That will make everyone happy and it will make the board a better place.

We are all fans and should not be fighting over trival stuff.

You are right, and this is getting stupid, we should all be happy Axl is touring again and actually talking to the fans.

See, now that wasn't so hard. I'm proud of ya, Dave.

Koombayah, my lord...Koombayah...

I say we all just over and all try to get along.

Dave, we've had our disagreements recently, many of them, and they've gotten heated. But, that was a move on your part that demands respect and you certainly have mine for that.

Ali

Thanks and if you see any of my posts you think may rub people the wrong way, shoot me a PM and Ill do my best to reword it better.

Applause!! honorable move Dave!!

[plonker88]

Good man dave

[gnr-dave]

Good man dave

Thanks, I guess if enough people are complaining about me, something I am doing must be apart of the problem.

so I gues I need to fix that to be apart of the solution.

[youngunner]

I didn't read any of your 4/5 posts on this page but I can assume they were along the lines of:

Axl is a dick

Beta is a dick

02 band was better

This whole situation is a joke

Everyone on here lacks common sense but me

Nah a few others have common sense, but most people on here cannot accept the truth.

You need to take off your Axl Rose colored glasses.

You claim im nuts blah blah blah, but the funny thing is you make the comments you make about Axl off these boards, and you will get laughed at.

Everyone knows Axl is crazy, a dickhead to most people, does not care about his fans, and his voice is pretty much gone (its not even close to what it was in the 90s let alone 80s like some of you nut jobs believe) , the only people who cannot accept that are a few hundred people on these boards.

Have you been to a show this year?

His voice is definitely at the best it has been since the 90s. The differences between 02, 06, and this year were very noticeable - and I was actually at shows, not talking out of my ass.

Also, Axl has generally been nice to almost anyone he's met fan-wise from what I've read. Never met him myself, so I can't comment beyond that. I'm betting you haven't met him, so perhaps you shouldn't be commenting either. The fact that he rants on the net doesn't make him an asshole. If that was the benchmark, the entire net would be guilty of it.

Just listen to the monitor mix and you will see this voice is shot.

Its getting better but its no where close to being as good as 92 (take the paris show for example). Anyone who claims differently is delusional.

He has no power left in his voice and its very thin sounding.

Plus he has to use backing tracks now, he never did back in the 80s or 90s.

He sounds decent yes, but his voice is 50% of what it once was. I am not saying he sounds like shit, because he doesnt. I am just saying he is not as good as he was in the 80s and 90s like people are claiming on this board.

As for him being nice to people he meets, I am not talking about that.

I am talking about the people he beats up because they have a camera, or he always seems to get in fights at airports, or picking fights with other bands lead singers, stuff like that.

He also disrespects fans for going on so late, no showing gigs and walking off mid set for stupid reasons..

Yes the going on late has been going on since the 90s but that doesnt make it right. Sure gnr fans have accepted it, but again its disrespectful to make fans wait til past 11pm to see him go on stage when the doors open at 6 or 7.

So how's this tape work when he changes vocals or sings the wrong verse?

I guess this is the new smart-tape technology we keep hearing about

Nor do I need to use the monitor mix - I've heard parts of it and its fine. If there's weak spots, that's fine too. Of the two shows I saw, his voice was awesome in one and a bit down in the mix in the other, difference between them - the second show was night two of back-to-back shows.

Sorry but the clips we've seen on YouTube of him adlibbing or fucking up kill the tape story. They might have something done for the backing stuff in Sorry since Bach is supposed to sing it, but whatever. You're nitpicking. I watched Ron do backup vocals live. He's mentioned it in interviews.

When's the last time he walked off mid set for a stupid reason? When's the last time he picked a fight with a lead singer? I guess you're talking about Vince Neil - that was what, 20 years ago?

6 or 7? See, as a person who went to an actual show (2 this year), well the ticket said 8PM. The band was onstage at 10:30 in one case, and just before 11:30 in the other. The latter being Toronto which I think has been covered to death. There were two opening acts. Given opening act run time, set changes, I don't think a 10:30 start is unreasonable.

If you do, stay home and watch the kids - it's time to stop being a rock fan.

But stop dragging up old news.

Dave, they are using backing tracks on some of the new stuff because its physically impossible for any singer to do both at the same time. I personally wish they would dop the backing tracks because its the only negative on the album in that it cludders a lot of the music. Live they should present the new songs with a more rock feel.

I didnt say he was using on it on old songs, I said I dont see why tommy and ron cant just do the backing vocals on those songs he uses the tape.

My point was, the UYI songs had a few Axls singing at once and he did not use them, so he doesnt have to now

Isnt that pretty much what you just said?

I agree with you that they shouldnt use them. But you said, he uses them because he has lost his voice and is not 1992 Axl. That is much different than what you just stated.

[Shackler]

Good man dave

Thanks, I guess if enough people are complaining about me, something I am doing must be apart of the problem.

so I gues I need to fix that to be apart of the solution.

Props man, hope it lasts

[gnr-dave]

I didn't read any of your 4/5 posts on this page but I can assume they were along the lines of:

Axl is a dick

Beta is a dick

02 band was better

This whole situation is a joke

Everyone on here lacks common sense but me

Nah a few others have common sense, but most people on here cannot accept the truth.

You need to take off your Axl Rose colored glasses.

You claim im nuts blah blah blah, but the funny thing is you make the comments you make about Axl off these boards, and you will get laughed at.

Everyone knows Axl is crazy, a dickhead to most people, does not care about his fans, and his voice is pretty much gone (its not even close to what it was in the 90s let alone 80s like some of you nut jobs believe) , the only people who cannot accept that are a few hundred people on these boards.

Have you been to a show this year?

His voice is definitely at the best it has been since the 90s. The differences between 02, 06, and this year were very noticeable - and I was actually at shows, not talking out of my ass.

Also, Axl has generally been nice to almost anyone he's met fan-wise from what I've read. Never met him myself, so I can't comment beyond that. I'm betting you haven't met him, so perhaps you shouldn't be commenting either. The fact that he rants on the net doesn't make him an asshole. If that was the benchmark, the entire net would be guilty of it.

Just listen to the monitor mix and you will see this voice is shot.

Its getting better but its no where close to being as good as 92 (take the paris show for example). Anyone who claims differently is delusional.

He has no power left in his voice and its very thin sounding.

Plus he has to use backing tracks now, he never did back in the 80s or 90s.

He sounds decent yes, but his voice is 50% of what it once was. I am not saying he sounds like shit, because he doesnt. I am just saying he is not as good as he was in the 80s and 90s like people are claiming on this board.

As for him being nice to people he meets, I am not talking about that.

I am talking about the people he beats up because they have a camera, or he always seems to get in fights at airports, or picking fights with other bands lead singers, stuff like that.

He also disrespects fans for going on so late, no showing gigs and walking off mid set for stupid reasons..

Yes the going on late has been going on since the 90s but that doesnt make it right. Sure gnr fans have accepted it, but again its disrespectful to make fans wait til past 11pm to see him go on stage when the doors open at 6 or 7.

So how's this tape work when he changes vocals or sings the wrong verse?

I guess this is the new smart-tape technology we keep hearing about

Nor do I need to use the monitor mix - I've heard parts of it and its fine. If there's weak spots, that's fine too. Of the two shows I saw, his voice was awesome in one and a bit down in the mix in the other, difference between them - the second show was night two of back-to-back shows.

Sorry but the clips we've seen on YouTube of him adlibbing or fucking up kill the tape story. They might have something done for the backing stuff in Sorry since Bach is supposed to sing it, but whatever. You're nitpicking. I watched Ron do backup vocals live. He's mentioned it in interviews.

When's the last time he walked off mid set for a stupid reason? When's the last time he picked a fight with a lead singer? I guess you're talking about Vince Neil - that was what, 20 years ago?

6 or 7? See, as a person who went to an actual show (2 this year), well the ticket said 8PM. The band was onstage at 10:30 in one case, and just before 11:30 in the other. The latter being Toronto which I think has been covered to death. There were two opening acts. Given opening act run time, set changes, I don't think a 10:30 start is unreasonable.

If you do, stay home and watch the kids - it's time to stop being a rock fan.

But stop dragging up old news.

Dave, they are using backing tracks on some of the new stuff because its physically impossible for any singer to do both at the same time. I personally wish they would dop the backing tracks because its the only negative on the album in that it cludders a lot of the music. Live they should present the new songs with a more rock feel.

I didnt say he was using on it on old songs, I said I dont see why tommy and ron cant just do the backing vocals on those songs he uses the tape.

My point was, the UYI songs had a few Axls singing at once and he did not use them, so he doesnt have to now

Isnt that pretty much what you just said?

I agree with you that they shouldnt use them. But you said, he uses them because he has lost his voice and is not 1992 Axl. That is much different than what you just stated.

No I didnt. I didnt say that he uses them because he lost his voice. That was another poster no?

[danger]

can someone clear this up for me, this new Manager, Is this the same guy that was on that show SuperGroup, with Bach?

[Jackie Moon]

ITS A MYGNRFORUM MIRACLE!

[pilferk]

How would that be a weird theory when Azoff has made a career and fortune off of putting together said to be impossible reunions?

Outside of GNR, what act out there is any bigger that has never reunited and has a bigger potential payday behind it were it to ever happen?

Seems to me it makes all the sense in the world a reunion specialist would have been interested in managing the band with the biggest potential big money reunion out there.

It also seems entirely consistent that when it became apparent there was no chance of it happening he bailed because the money managing new GNR is a fraction of what it would be managing a reunited GNR, and given Azoff's stature is just not worth his time in the current incarnation.

I don't know what Azoff's plans or ideas were when he signed on as GnR's manager.

What we DO know is that Azoff took on a HUGE new role with TM...one that is going to be, and has been recently, very demanding of his time.

It's pretty easy to see a scenario where Azoff had to recuse himself, either becuase of time constraints or due to some conflict of interests arising, of his managerial duties.

[pilferk]

can someone clear this up for me, this new Manager, Is this the same guy that was on that show SuperGroup, with Bach?

Yup...pretty sure.

[AmyL]

can someone clear this up for me, this new Manager, Is this the same guy that was on that show SuperGroup, with Bach?

Yup...pretty sure.

Yes. He managed Skid Row too.

Edited February 22, 2010 by AmyL