Dazey Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 exactly.... and also it was just a joke Ah, but for the Catholics the who bread and wine thing isn't just symbolic, they believe they are eating the ACTUAL body and blood of Christ to it's kinda minging if you think about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzygirl Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Ah, but for the Catholics the who bread and wine thing isn't just symbolic, they believe they are eating the ACTUAL body and blood of Christ to it's kinda minging if you think about it! For me (and as far as I know), it's just symbolic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Ah, but for the Catholics the who bread and wine thing isn't just symbolic, they believe they are eating the ACTUAL body and blood of Christ to it's kinda minging if you think about it! For me (and as far as I know), it's just symbolic. Roman Catholic and Orthodox Orthodox and Catholics believe that in the Eucharist the bread and wine are objectively transformed and become in a real sense the Body and Blood of Christ; and that after consecration they are no longer bread and wine: the consecrated elements retain the appearance and attributes of bread and wine but really are the body and blood of Christ.They speak of the bread and wine "becoming" the body and blood of Christ, while Protestant traditions speak of the bread and wine "being" the body and blood of Christ.The words of the Ethiopic liturgy are representative of the faith of Oriental Orthodoxy: "I believe, I believe, I believe and profess to the last breath that this is the body and the blood of our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ, which he took from our Lady, the holy and immaculate Virgin Mary, the Mother of God."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Presence#Roman_Catholic_and_Orthodox_views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Ah, but for the Catholics the who bread and wine thing isn't just symbolic, they believe they are eating the ACTUAL body and blood of Christ to it's kinda minging if you think about it! For me (and as far as I know), it's just symbolic. Roman Catholic and Orthodox Orthodox and Catholics believe that in the Eucharist the bread and wine are objectively transformed and become in a real sense the Body and Blood of Christ; and that after consecration they are no longer bread and wine: the consecrated elements retain the appearance and attributes of bread and wine but really are the body and blood of Christ.They speak of the bread and wine "becoming" the body and blood of Christ, while Protestant traditions speak of the bread and wine "being" the body and blood of Christ.The words of the Ethiopic liturgy are representative of the faith of Oriental Orthodoxy: "I believe, I believe, I believe and profess to the last breath that this is the body and the blood of our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ, which he took from our Lady, the holy and immaculate Virgin Mary, the Mother of God."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Presence#Roman_Catholic_and_Orthodox_views Process of transubstantiation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Process of transubstantiation!That's the badger!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzygirl Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Ah, but for the Catholics the who bread and wine thing isn't just symbolic, they believe they are eating the ACTUAL body and blood of Christ to it's kinda minging if you think about it! For me (and as far as I know), it's just symbolic. Roman Catholic and Orthodox Orthodox and Catholics believe that in the Eucharist the bread and wine are objectively transformed and become in a real sense the Body and Blood of Christ; and that after consecration they are no longer bread and wine: the consecrated elements retain the appearance and attributes of bread and wine but really are the body and blood of Christ.They speak of the bread and wine "becoming" the body and blood of Christ, while Protestant traditions speak of the bread and wine "being" the body and blood of Christ.The words of the Ethiopic liturgy are representative of the faith of Oriental Orthodoxy: "I believe, I believe, I believe and profess to the last breath that this is the body and the blood of our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ, which he took from our Lady, the holy and immaculate Virgin Mary, the Mother of God."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Presence#Roman_Catholic_and_Orthodox_views Process of transubstantiation!Yes, well...I don't care what Wikipedia says and I know what transubstantiation is but it doesn't mean what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 That bit seems silly even to me so I'm going to ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzygirl Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 That bit seems silly even to me so I'm going to ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist! A lot of bits seem silly to me ...I mean, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 That bit seems silly even to me so I'm going to ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist! A lot of bits seem silly to me ...I mean, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Eucharist is such a deep subject, with so many layers of meaning (and requires very very careful wording) that it is really unfair to grab a few paragraphs from wikipedia and say, "There it is!" But yeah, for Catholics it certainly isn't symbolic, there is indeed a Real Presence, but it's also not cannibalistic either. Would you have considered the first Eucharist (the Last Supper at the Passover Seder) to be cannibalism? Certainly not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Would you have considered the first Eucharist (the Last Supper at the Passover Seder) to be cannibalism? Certainly not.Well if they were eating bits of each other and wotnot then yeah I would! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Would you have considered the first Eucharist (the Last Supper at the Passover Seder) to be cannibalism? Certainly not.Well if they were eating bits of each other and wotnot then yeah I would! But they weren't. They were eating unleavened bread and drinking wine, just like a Jew would at a Seder today, but Jesus changed a bit of the Seder, making himself the Paschal lamb. But he didn't break off fingers and toes and pass it around saying, "Eat it," and he didn't puncture a vein or something, pouring blood into a cup saying "Drink it." Not cannibalism.(In fact it's a bit easier to believe that the host is Jesus' body than it is to believe it's a piece of bread ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) But he didn't break off fingers and toes and pass it around saying, "Eat it," and he didn't puncture a vein or something, pouring blood into a cup saying "Drink it." Hahahaha! That would have been fucking mint! Here, imagine that's Jesus in a frock and a wig! Edited July 5, 2012 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 But he didn't break off fingers and toes and pass it around saying, "Eat it," and he didn't puncture a vein or something, pouring blood into a cup saying "Drink it." Hahahaha! That would have been fucking mint! Here, imagine that's Jesus in a frock and a wig!I think I'm gonna be sick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzygirl Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Jesus love you all anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 exactly.... and also it was just a joke Ah, but for the Catholics the who bread and wine thing isn't just symbolic, they believe they are eating the ACTUAL body and blood of Christ to it's kinda minging if you think about it! yeah I know that's why I thought about it but it was more of a joke then being serious but it makes a good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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