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To say Aerosmith is shit, and Stones are shit is being a jackass.

I don't listen to them that much and am not the biggest fan but I respect what they did for rock.

You sound like all the fuckin ignorant assholes I hear say that GNR is shit. You don't have to like them or even listen to them but to say that kind of shit is fucked up, keep it to yourself. You are insulting some of the biggest names in rock n roll history...........and who the fuck are you again?

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i love GnR, despise his influences

the stones (shitty corporate rock dinosaurs)

Elton John (balded head bore merchant who makes a living singing bout dead blondes)

Bob Dylan (as much as i like a lot of his shit, jesus he's repetitive, old hippy)

grateful dead (jump off a cliff)

Aerosmith (3rd rate stones)

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Wow, WTF? Those bands/singers are all great. You left off Tom Petty though. One of my personal favs. Time to change those diapers.

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Punk being the simplest form of rock derivitives shows no sign of progress. Their attitude may have inspired the likes of many musicians such as axl but as far as musically fall very short of being a main influence. Listen to any GNR song written by axl - He loves the attitude but clearly is drawn more so to the likes of Led Zep or the stones or Elton john than the 3 chord simplicity of the sex pistols, who by only releasing 1 album never got the chance to prove they are dinosaurs and tread no new musical ground.

And by the way, anyone whos ever released a record has had to compromise something to so...all this sell out talk is stupid kid shit. To quote Maynard James Keenan of Tool : "I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit, then you bought it all."

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Heya rocketsredglare, the problem I find with your opinions - and know I doesn't talk about which bands you like - is a couple of things, mainly the same, but I'll try and take em one by one.

1. That a band that grow to big suddenly can't make great records no more... That "becoming an establishment" also means that you start playing crappy, start writing bad songs and loose their feeling..

I must say I don't agree at all here. If you change your way of playing to fit the radio better, thats another thing. But just by starting to play large arena shows doesn't nesceserily mean you become an asshole hiding behind their own quick fingers.

2. That you somehow have to be "working class" to have feeling in your music.

It's an extremly dumb idea. I believe me to be working class myself and having a lot socialist political values. But I can see no point with projecting my political values at all in to music. erhh.. maybe a little vague sentence from me there... But what I was trying to say is that I can love a great song no matter of the lyrics. Also the thought that if you come from a rich home you can't play great music is absurd.

3. That a band that not progress and evolve their music every album are stale and they suck.

Sex Pistols reales one real album.. they never had time to show their progress (or lack of progress). They're like pretty safe then, aren't they? Neat. But the thing is bands that has released like ten or more album and do great songs are very impresive even if they don't change the face of music or even evolve their own music alot with every new album.

I thought of some more things but that slipt my mind..

Oh, yeah, now I remembered, I think.. :)

That it's only the "original" that matters, you talk much about your Johny Thunders, James Brown.. imo opinions it's not a bad idea to let great musicians influence you and then try and take it to another level. And get cred for the fact that you hopefully could improve the music somehow.

And that shit about Sid Vicious believed in the spirit of punk and rock and roll and look what happened to him. If you have to die young from an od or suicide to be true to your beliefs then I don't want my idols to believe that much. I rather see them continue making music I love instead of letting a belief tearing them apart and finaly kill them - long before their time.

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Well lets see,Aerosmith,The Stones,Elton etc.They have all had releases and filled 10,000+ seaters easily.Yes,some of the stuff released hasn't made the hard core fans too happy.Aerosmith being one.And hey,they are one of my most favs,but I am not chicken shit to say they went pop with Just Push Play.

Back to my point.They may have (in your words)"sold out",but at least they have released something and had shows.What has fucking Axl done in the last 15 yrs?He has sat on his ass!That's what.He may have played a handful of shows. :rolleyes:

Pretending he has an album and ready to go out and kick the world's ass.If he has it,then where the hell is it? :( And if he is so "PUNK" then why does he have to perfect it so?Punk is far from creating perfect music.I think Axl is the one who needs to get his head out of his ass.What is he afraid of?Falling flat on his face.And Axl is far from being punk musically.If he hadn't changed from being punk,the other guys would still be in the fucking band.We would have had an album(maybe 2 or 3)and tours by now.Oh yeah,Axl is fucking punk alright.

Axl is only punk,cause he tells people to fuck off.His music is not.He's too worried about making it too fucking perfect.I have news for him,he isn't nor will he ever be fucking perfect.No one is.

And if GN'R wasn't influenced by Aerosmith,or the Stones,Elton,Dylan...........then why do we have thier versions of Mama Kin,Jumping Jack Flash,Wild Horses,Knockin' On Heaven's DoorDead Flowers,then all the Elton influneced GN'R songs?Oh yeah,those bands suck,but without them you would not have the GN'R versions of those songs.And what about HeartBreak Hotel?Oh right,you said Elvis sucks,I forgot.LOL :lol:

And BTW Steven Tyler did die when he was a druggy,he's just fucking lucky to be here to tell about it.And Joe Perry wasn't far behind him either.If someone hadn't of "smacked" them to make them wake up,they would be dead.There's more to music than being a dopehead.Yes drugs was part of the attitude with Rock~n~Roll.I'll give you that.But it being totally what music is about is total bullshit!

Punk music is crap,the only good punk music there is,is GN'R's versions on the Spaghetti Incident. :lol: There are very few Ramones songs that I can tolerate.And The New York Dolls,now there's a band.Dress like fags to sell your music. :lol: But you list them as one of the bands who didn't follow the "establishment".Yet,they knew they sucked and the only way to sell it was to dress in fucking drag.LMAOOOOO

What about U2?Cause to me that sounds more like how you descibe the Stones.Staying in the same musical rut.They came out in the 80's and still sound like the same ol' shit.The 80's!

And what about the Animals?The Pretty Things?Herman's Hermits?The Byrds?The Yardbirds?The Kinks?The Zombies?The Searchers?Do they suck too?Or do you even know who they are?LOL

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I agree jack daniels…but theres something to be said for stating ur opinion too huh? (in response to ur, if u don’t like it don’t listen statement)

To Rock On: well obviously, the comment relating to led zeppelin relates to their time in existence…elton john evolved? LMAO from mellow guitar to electric guitar lol theres evolution for ya, evolving suggests variation in format…he stayed within his little comfortable niche there wouldn’t u say? Throw a piano in there, someone might mistake it for a cultured form of music…and ur stones comment I don’t agree with dude, that’s not evolving…having an over-produced sound and getting other people in to make the whole thing into some warped concerto isn’t evolving…I am under no obligation to sugar-coat my opinions in fear of offending someone…being a stones/gnr fan (assuming u do like gnr) u should hardly be one to pick bones with people for offending…I didn’t say ur favourite bands r shit, I named shit bands, they happened to be ur favourites, is that my fault? I didn’t say I’m a musical God, that’s ur own assumption dude…and I wouldn’t waste my time to even piss on jagger if he was on fire, page and plant? Ok, not bad but not great either…

Spacemonkey: well ur asking the same fucking questions monkey, so ur gonna get re-worded answers…we made the best music, NOW lets make something better…THAT was the point I was making, cuz that takes courage, to play with formats rather than sticking with whats safe done and comfortable…punk sucks and rock n roll is cool? Tell me something, from a musical standpoint…wheres the difference between punk and rock n roll?

Duffsvelvetrose: uh, cuz they’re carrying on means they evolved? Wheres the reasoning behind that? Its called nostalgia, look it up…

Bax: the dead played em different? LMAO tell me, how? Dylan I agree is pretty cool in previous posts, I love a lot of his shit, MOST of it in fact.

Anahzul: u like those influences? U know what, at one point…so did I, ur not wrong for liking em, u just differ with me, one human being out of a population of billions…its cool

Spacemonkey: uh, if u notice I’ve categorically responded to each comment made towards me with a line of reasoning to back it up…and uh, how can a punk fan be a gnr fan? I dunno, u keep citing me for repeating myself so try reading for once in ur fucking life…ok, spaghetti incident was refered to by Axl as a punk cover album!!! OK? Axl Rose has citied Johnny Rotten as a MAJOR vocal influence, he even covered his song did u know wrong with Ian Astbury and Steve Jones. The entire band gnr are punk influenced…duff mckagen more than any of em, so please…if ur gonna say im repeating myself, stop making the same fucking ridiculous statements…

Gnr3267: oh so my age is ur problem? LMAO ooooh, I never knew that was against the law…fuck you, you predudice motherfucker…

Spacemonkey: ok dude, you say I “insulted” ur bands…ok, insulting is what u do when u make bland generalisations bereft of any line of reasoning…when u reason things out, its called criticism, not insult…ok, now tell me, u how am I, insulting ur influences? I might insulting terminology in reference to them but I then proceed to back up my choice of language with thoughts, reasons, references to things…u just bland generalisations…I’ve proved that I have considerable knowledge of the bands I criticise, I wouldn’t if I didn’t…now tell me, what do u know about my influences?

New York Dolls

Johnny Thunders

Sex Pistols

The Violators

The Slits

X Ray Specs

Pete Tosh

Charlie Parker

Theolonius Monk

Hank Williams

Johnny Clarke

Charles Manson

Tom Waits

Guns n Roses (although I think its fair to skip than one)

U Roy

Elvis Presley

Eddie Cochran

I Roy

Gene Vincent

Dion DiMucci

Woody Guthrie

The Ramones

Richard Hell & The Voidoids

Bob Marley

Sham 69

Public Image Limited

King Tubby

The Butthole Surfers

Meat Puppets

Leadbelly

Dr. Alimentado

Lefty Frizzell

Theres a few…so how do insult my influences without knowing what they are? Just to remind you, that hole, under ur nose, THAT ones called the mouth…talk outta that one, maybe a little less shit would come out. I don’t limit myself to genre like u do, punk I like primarily because of it’s mentality of experimentation, the problem with punk is, that much like rock n roll, it’s original intentions were lost by the barrage of imitators that waded in to latch onto it because it was so easy and simple to play.

Also, I’d like to point out, why is it that only 3 outta like 15 people who respond actually refer to a statement I’ve made and dispute it with a line of reasoning? If I repeat myself it’s because NO ONE ANSWERS…least of all you buttmonkey, Bax & Rock On are the only people that refer to the music and dispute my points, fucking TRL-ers like buttmonkey can’t come up with much better than uh…punk sucks…tell me something, can u name a punk band? Sum 41, Green Day, Offspring, noooooooo….go run to allmusic.com and get urself an education spacemonkey before u start pretending like u know what ur talkin’ about…

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Also, I’d like to point out, why is it that only 3 outta like 15 people who respond actually refer to a statement I’ve made and dispute it with a line of reasoning? If I repeat myself it’s because NO ONE ANSWERS…least of all you buttmonkey, Bax & Rock On are the only people that refer to the music and dispute my points, fucking TRL-ers like buttmonkey can’t come up with much better than uh…punk sucks…tell me something, can u name a punk band? Sum 41, Green Day, Offspring, noooooooo….go run to allmusic.com and get urself an education spacemonkey before u start pretending like u know what ur talkin’ about…

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Read my post a few posts up... there I try to reason and not bashing you just because you have a different opinion than me.. and that you don't respond to.

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GNR’R: no one should repress their opinion dude…

Uzeurilluzion: I didn’t just diss them for nothing, there were points behind it…if u care to wipe the outrage from off ur glasses and look again, its called criticism, not insult

Huskertornado: cool, I didn’t say u shouldn’t like em…I just differed…by the way Mike and Uncle Leary rule

GnRmaniac: New York Dolls rock? THANK YOU!!! Someone agrees, cool

Afterthebat: no signs of progress? LMAO dear sweet baby jesus…ok, ok, im just gonna pick one example…one of the biggest punk artists ever and give u like, 10 songs, made in the span of 6 years and u tell me theres no progression…and its hardly an obscure reference point either, Johnny rotten…

Pretty Vacant

Anarchy In The UK

Theme

Fodderstompf

Death Disco

Radio Four

Chant

Flowers Of Romance

Banging The Door

Hymies Hymn

Ok, now name me one, just one, ONE mainstream rock band that’s evolved at that pace…I agree Axl’s more drawn to the attitude…true…the sex pistols broke up after one album…what evolution were u expecting? LMAO now, look at what the members of that band went on to do…THE MUSIC…the actual songs…not generalisations, refer to the music. And there are degrees of compromise, theres a difference between compromise and selling out…when I mean selling out I’ll say it and when I mean compromise I’ll say it too…

Evil, I like ur points…valid…I don’t mean graduating to arena rock immediately makes u an asshole but…in certain cases, with certain personalities, it’s a contributing factor…for a number of reasons.. a) a lotta artist get complexses once they start makin that kinda money albeit not all B) the physical detachment is ENORMOUS from you and ur audience…im sure you’ve been to the gig so u see what I mean although some music translates better on stadiums I like the congested energy of a clubby or like, 3,000 seater type gig

I didn’t mean that specifically u have to be working class, I just object to those who lie and claim to be working class, they show their true colours really quickly…I think u as a person should show up in ur music, in all senses, cuz…its you, it’s what u r, it’s ur expression…

I agree that u don’t HAFTA progress to be a good band, but u DO hafta progress to be a GREAT band which is what people were calling the stones and certain other bands that I was criticising for that very reason…they’re not great, to my mind, by virtue of that fact, some bands I LOVE didn’t progress…the ramones for instance…but u can’t call em great till they have all the ingredients of greatness, it’s label that gets thrown around a lot and I tend to differ to that when I believe it to be a falsehood. And I agree with what u say about it not being bad to take ur influence to another level…I just think a facet of greatness is blazing a trail urself…I think theres a lotta misinterpretation between good and great goin on…Sid is a tragedy I agree, and I didn’t say death was a requirement…its just, reflects that…I dunno, it’s all they knew, all they had…and they truly WENT for it and…I dunno, that’s commendable at least. But, yeah, I really like the way u discuss dude…u make a lotta sense, thanx for…discussing instead of just outright dissing.

Sweetrose: I like u dude, u actually like…have a clarity in the way u see the bands u like, im not comparing aerosmith and gnr…I don’t HATE aerosmith, far from it, I have all of their albums before Just Push Play…comparing them to GnR? I dunno, I never claimed GnR were better, I just said…I preffered them…Axl is of a totally alien mentality (to my mind at least) to steve tyler so…I dunno, take it for what its worth.

I never said Axl was punk, I was differed when people made statements like, “GnR rule…fuck punk” cuz he was influenced to em…to a degree at least. Ok lets clear this up, I don’t hate Dylan whatsoever and I dunno WHERE u get this from cuz if u read the posts I’ve made, u’d see that…Aerosmith, I dislike what they’ve become but I like em a TON more that rolling stones…cuz what they became was dreadful…what they began as however was great, subversive, attitude, kick ass music…without them we wouldn’t have gnr….? Where did I say that they should never have existed? I merely said I don’t like the self satisfied rock dinosaurs they became…read my posts dude, it’s all there…and Elvis?????????? Where did I say that???????????? To the contrary, I was defending elvis when people were sayin that he stole music, I LOVE Elvis, I think Elvis is too cool for the dictionary…elvis sucks??? Im wearing a replica of elvis’s 68 comeback jacket this minute Lol find where I said that please, I’d like to know…I never said drugs were what its ALL about…please find where I said that, where are u coming up with half of this??? Lol

U know what? U wanna check out the whole record company thing relating to Aerosmith vs The New York Dolls…u might find something VERRRRY interesting out. Leber and Krebs was it for mercury I think, im not too sure…u seem to know ur shit so check that one out, u might discover something…Perry & Tyler = Thunders & Nolan, airbrushed and ready for the radio…

I agree, U2 are fucking awful and nowhere did I support em lol the animals kick ass, The Pretty Things should’ve got what the stones got, just a record company thing really, Hermans Hermits? Lol ok, don’t especially care for them…The Byrds? Too middle of the road although they’re chill out music for me really, so yeah, I guess I like them…The Yardbirds kick ass!!! (one of the best guitar players, period, point blank!) Clapton leaves a sour taste though The kinks kicked ass!!! They had it! They had that fucking attitude and it translated into their music

got some sensible answers though, evil primarily...

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i didn't say they were all crappy i said....oh read for urself u stupid cunt...how the fuck u commenting on shit when u ain't even read the posts? success doesn't mean shit, lil bow wow is successful too, so are the backstreet boys...the theme to Dallas is well known too...

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us? what are u, the fuckin girl scouts? ur one person, speak for urself, is that supposed to intimidate me? US lol oooooh, smell that? i just shit my pants...you're really fucking ignorant, u know what? u just made a bland statement based on not even reading my posts meaning u have no respect for my opinion and in turn no respect for me, which is why u prompted the kinda reply you got...do urself a favour, and LEARN something about music instead of goin off on posts like "100 sexiest" "Axl is Hott" ur fucking boring, u wanna fuckin go on about how good lookin' people are, try a site that dedicated to Guess Jeans models, not a fucking music site, its not that hard...musicians make music, models stand and look pretty, citing a singer for being pretty must be incredibly insulting to their proffesion. and if u do have something relevant to say about music in response to someones opinion, try LISTENING to the opinion first...

so piss off u fat faced cunt

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musicians make music, models stand and look pretty, citing a singer for being pretty must be incredibly insulting to their proffesion

Axl actually liked to "look pretty" and and was actually quite into the way he looked and how he was perceived.

Typical comment of a guy - or are you a boy? - who isnt attractive to rant about females commenting on how good another guy looks. :sleeper:

And btw, this is a forum...that means that people are entitled to post their opinion, in a civilised and adult way, without being called cxxx's and sworn at. Grow up.

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us? what are u, the fuckin girl scouts? ur one person, speak for urself, is that supposed to intimidate me? US lol oooooh, smell that? i just shit my pants...you're really fucking ignorant, u know what? u just made a bland statement based on not even reading my posts meaning u have no respect for my opinion and in turn no respect for me, which is why u prompted the kinda reply you got...do urself a favour, and LEARN something about music instead of goin off on posts like "100 sexiest" "Axl is Hott" ur fucking boring, u wanna fuckin go on about how good lookin' people are, try a site that dedicated to Guess Jeans models, not a fucking music site, its not that hard...musicians make music, models stand and look pretty, citing a singer for being pretty must be incredibly insulting to their proffesion. and if u do have something relevant to say about music in response to someones opinion, try LISTENING to the opinion first...

so piss off u fat faced cunt

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Perhaps people would take you more seriously if you presented your argument in an intelligent manner.

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"goin off on posts like "100 sexiest" "Axl is Hott" "

ok sweetie, u comfortable? siddown this might take a while... ok, this might be challenging, but please, put in some effort.... see that word up there, beggining with an L with an E on the end and i & K in the middle? well that word is called like, going off on posts like, meaning not exactly...but like, hmm? are we getting somewhere??? a little maybe? *puts hands over amandas ears to stop her brains from leaking* quick, someone get a bowl or something, HEEELP!!! i feel like hannibal lecter!!! soooo, like, got that word, now remember it, cuz im gonna ask u tommorow...

*watches Amanda walk off saying likelikelikelikelikelikelikelikelikelike*

hey, why did Amanda stare at the OJ carton for 12 days?

Cuz it said 'concentrate' on it.

hyuk hyuk hyuk...aren't i hil-hairy-ass?

but seriously, lip injections...lol try em, who knows, u might make a 3rd rate porno one day and maybe, just MAYBE, one day, perhaps, Axl might see it!! WOW WEEEEE!!! wouldn't that just validate ur existence? sorry, only a tombstone could possibly do that, "heres lies Amanda, she was a sweet girl, bless her, a couple of McNuggets short of a happy meal perhaps, but sweet" or hows about "Hurray, The cunt is dead...piss here"

failing the lip injections, i reccomend u try the "geri-halliwell-fingers-down-ur- throat" diet

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damn mandy, took u two whole posts? am i getting to you? oh, so ur a mind reader too huh??? Axl liiked to look pretty, ok, being the way he is he didnt actually have much choice in the matter, although u could do with surgeons knife....in the heart that is.

as a matter of fact, i am a boy :) :) i love this bit, i'd sell my mama for more of these moments *bit difficult since shes dead but there ya go"

"who isnt attractive to rant about females commenting on how good another guy looks"

im sure on the planet dumpy thats make a helluva lotta sense...lol

people r entitled to their opinions huh? well hows this, try not criticising peoples opinions with knowing exactly what they are...maybe then u wouldn't get insulted because quite frankly dearest i treat people with exactly the respect they give me, which was none in ur case being that u felt the need to totally ignore my opinion yet comment on it too, hmm, a lotta sense in that huh?

"Perhaps people would take you more seriously if you presented your argument in an intelligent manner"

like i said, i give people EXACTLY the amount of respect they give me, with in Amandas case, was none.

without being called cxxx? whassamatter cunt, can't spell neither...i notice u single that word out specifically...get to you does it? well cunt, when u disrespected me by disrespecting my opinion, which warranted my doing it back to it...if ur looking for arguments presented in an intelligent manner, if u go further back in the post you'll see that i treat other people exactly like i treat you...if they respect me & my opinion i respect them and theirs, if they don't then i don't...sounds like common sense to me, but then ur hardly common, ur one in a million aren't u mandy? *pats mandy on the head*

sociopath? lol i'll take that as a compliment...sound like? u can hear the written word too, woah, u really are special...

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