sucker punch Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I sing for a band i just sing with no insturment in my hand , but i can play guitar just as good as the guitarists in the band can and i write most of are music, lyrics/music but if im on stage like i dont want people to think oh "hes just the singer the guitar players do all the writing" and i dont get credit for the songs that i wrote. Do i have to play guitar in the band to make people see that i do write stuff apart from lyrics? or im a stupid for writing stuff and leting other people play it and me just singing over it? this is the type of shit thats keeps me awake all night. i would be thankfull for your thoughts on this because im not sure what other people think.Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronaldo9 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 It sounds like you're most worried about getting credit from the crowd for writing the guitar parts, right? If that's the case, maybe you can play a couple of solos on a few songs during your set. That way, the guitarist gets to still play the majority of the guitar parts during the gig, which makes him happy, and the crowd gets to see your ability on the guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Jeez, don't even worry about that. Who cares? If the crowd is liking it, just feel a satisfaction to yourself that you wrote it. If somebody asks who wrote the song, tell them it was you. I'm sure your bandmates would tell people that you wrote it if someone asked them. Just because you have a guitar in your hands doesn't say that you wrote it. You don't need to go around flaunting, "Oh yeah, I wrote the songs by the way." If that's what you want to do, you're not in it for the right reasons. That's putting on an attitude of being more important than your bandmates, which is a real problem. In that case, it better be clear legally who wrote the songs, because if you're being so possessive of things and "I'm in control," your bandmates are going to want to quit on you and then you'll have o legally prove those songs are yours if you want to keep them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry anderson Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Jeez, don't even worry about that. Who cares? If the crowd is liking it, just feel a satisfaction to yourself that you wrote it. If somebody asks who wrote the song, tell them it was you. I'm sure your bandmates would tell people that you wrote it if someone asked them. Just because you have a guitar in your hands doesn't say that you wrote it. You don't need to go around flaunting, "Oh yeah, I wrote the songs by the way." If that's what you want to do, you're not in it for the right reasons. That's putting on an attitude of being more important than your bandmates, which is a real problem. In that case, it better be clear legally who wrote the songs, because if you're being so possessive of things and "I'm in control," your bandmates are going to want to quit on you and then you'll have o legally prove those songs are yours if you want to keep them!Something about that scenario sounds familiar.but ya, what he said. Noone is going to assume anything about who wrote what based on what instruments people are playing. More importantly, if you want your band to stay together, you're probably gonna have to quit worrying about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucker punch Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 Jeez, don't even worry about that. Who cares? If the crowd is liking it, just feel a satisfaction to yourself that you wrote it. If somebody asks who wrote the song, tell them it was you. I'm sure your bandmates would tell people that you wrote it if someone asked them. Just because you have a guitar in your hands doesn't say that you wrote it. You don't need to go around flaunting, "Oh yeah, I wrote the songs by the way." If that's what you want to do, you're not in it for the right reasons. That's putting on an attitude of being more important than your bandmates, which is a real problem. In that case, it better be clear legally who wrote the songs, because if you're being so possessive of things and "I'm in control," your bandmates are going to want to quit on you and then you'll have o legally prove those songs are yours if you want to keep them!Its not that i want to be in control its just that i want people to know im im take a part in the song writin because i dont want people to think " of yeah hes just the pretty face if thay lost him it wouldnt matter" because i always here people saying " singers dont and cant write shit and thats why thay are singing ijn the first plase" which piss's me off i just want to be reconized thats all . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel1304 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Dude i know how you feel trust me If you want to show people what you're made of why not throw in some guitar work of your own at the same time go for it why not ? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnan Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 I tend to think the lead singer does most of the writing, not the guitarists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ohdistortedsmile1789 Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 I tend to think the lead singer does most of the writing, not the guitarists.Me too...Get over it, you're the singer and singers are always the coolest. Fuck guitar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 Dude you're the singer.. the frontman.. People have their attention on YOU. They think you're the one who does everything. You don't need to play guitar..Plus playing an instrument, just for image.. is dumb. Play it because it makes the sound fuller, or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 (edited) I tend to think the lead singer does most of the writing, not the guitarists.Me too...Get over it, you're the singer and singers are always the coolest. Fuck guitar! Fuck you! Sucker Punch, you dont have to show anything but your voice and stage presence, if both are good you will be the center of attention. I can see why you might get a little pissed because you wrote some of the guitar parts and they play/get credit for them, but thats just what its like to be in a band. Everybody works together to write something and then everybody does their part on stage whether they wrote it or not. I wrote some cool bass lines for a few songs but I play lead guitar, its no big deal if the end product kicks ass.But answear this as a frontman, are you worried more about what people think about you as an individual on stage, or are you more worried about what people think of the band as a whole? You'll be a better frontman for putting more energy into the band and not in yourself, you dont want to pull an Axl and have your musicians walk out on you... Edited September 15, 2006 by sweetness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucker punch Posted September 15, 2006 Author Share Posted September 15, 2006 I tend to think the lead singer does most of the writing, not the guitarists.Me too...Get over it, you're the singer and singers are always the coolest. Fuck guitar! Fuck you! Sucker Punch, you dont have to show anything but your voice and stage presence, if both are good you will be the center of attention. I can see why you might get a little pissed because you wrote some of the guitar parts and they play/get credit for them, but thats just what its like to be in a band. Everybody works together to write something and then everybody does their part on stage whether they wrote it or not. I wrote some cool bass lines for a few songs but I play lead guitar, its no big deal if the end product kicks ass.But answear this as a frontman, are you worried more about what people think about you as an individual on stage, or are you more worried about what people think of the band as a whole? You'll be a better frontman for putting more energy into the band and not in yourself, you dont want to pull an Axl and have your musicians walk out on you...I would be more worried about what people think of the band as a whole because its a band not a solo band its all about everbody in it. But sadly most people dont realy think like that thay look at one person or mabe 2 and make ther mind up but not in all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 I tend to think the lead singer does most of the writing, not the guitarists.Me too...Get over it, you're the singer and singers are always the coolest. Fuck guitar! Fuck you! Sucker Punch, you dont have to show anything but your voice and stage presence, if both are good you will be the center of attention. I can see why you might get a little pissed because you wrote some of the guitar parts and they play/get credit for them, but thats just what its like to be in a band. Everybody works together to write something and then everybody does their part on stage whether they wrote it or not. I wrote some cool bass lines for a few songs but I play lead guitar, its no big deal if the end product kicks ass.But answear this as a frontman, are you worried more about what people think about you as an individual on stage, or are you more worried about what people think of the band as a whole? You'll be a better frontman for putting more energy into the band and not in yourself, you dont want to pull an Axl and have your musicians walk out on you...I would be more worried about what people think of the band as a whole because its a band not a solo band its all about everbody in it. But sadly most people dont realy think like that thay look at one person or mabe 2 and make ther mind up but not in all the timeYeah, thats just how it is. But when you impress those who think like that you know youre doing something right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadlaser Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 (edited) I tend to think the lead singer does most of the writing, not the guitarists.Me too...Get over it, you're the singer and singers are always the coolest. Fuck guitar! you young ass bitches , the guitarists usually do all the work while the singers are at home suffering from LV syndrome. and sucker punch, just pull the anthony kiedis card and play one of the solos- no harm no foul. Edited September 15, 2006 by quadlaser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madison Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I'm not sure why you're so concerned about everyone knowing that you wrote all the music. Fans can tell when someone writes their own music because they tend to move and sing from a deeper place when they wrote the music. When a singer's heart and soul are in it - it shows onstage. Sounds corny - but true. At the same time, I agree with Sweetness: If you're in a band, you want to work together as a band and play together as a band. That means leaving your ego at the door. Besides - when you get a record deal, everybody will see the writing credits on the album insert. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ohdistortedsmile1789 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I tend to think the lead singer does most of the writing, not the guitarists.Me too...Get over it, you're the singer and singers are always the coolest. Fuck guitar! you young ass bitches , the guitarists usually do all the work while the singers are at home suffering from LV syndrome. and sucker punch, just pull the anthony kiedis card and play one of the solos- no harm no foul.Bitch, I'm a veteran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I tend to think the lead singer does most of the writing, not the guitarists.Nikki Sixx?Richie Sambora? Ok, with Jon Bon too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnezz Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I tend to think the lead singer does most of the writing, not the guitarists.Nikki Sixx?Richie Sambora? Ok, with Jon Bon too...And to add:Pete Townshend and Steve Harris.Who cares really, if you realese an album you can put a big fat note on the album sleave saying you wrote the music and words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnan Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I tend to think the lead singer does most of the writing, not the guitarists.Nikki Sixx?Richie Sambora? Ok, with Jon Bon too...Jim Morrison? Bob Dylan? In most cases, the lead singer is also the main songwriter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 It depends on whether the singer can play anything or not. If he can't then he has to work with one of this bandmates to create the music for his words. Otherwise it's just nice poetry...Guitarrists tend to write a lot of stuff, and what ends up happening is that they'd rather sing it themselves than deal with a lead singer, like Hendrix, SRV, Clapton, Zakk Wylde, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.drummin Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 (edited) No matter what people say, the frontman is the band. Who cares what people think? As long as you put on a good show.1000 post = Demi God! Edited September 17, 2006 by mr.drummin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Fans can tell when someone writes their own music because they tend to move and sing from a deeper place when they wrote the music. When a singer's heart and soul are in it - it shows onstage. Sounds corny - but true.Exactly, same thing goes for guitarists, bassists, and drummers.No matter what people say, the frontman is the band.Thats where youre wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ohdistortedsmile1789 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 No matter what people say, the frontman is the band.Thats where youre wrongI agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 If Dream Theatre didn't have Portnoy, Myung, and Pettrucci, it wouldn't matter how good James LaBrie was as a frontman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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