Yet another reason why we need Rap

[Guest Ohdistortedsmile1789]

I don't think you're following what this dumb "argument" has been about. He shouldn't post here if he doesn't know what modern Rap sounds like, end of story.

But if you insist, I will follow the train you're on. I think we need Rap because people have these emotions and need music to turn to in order to deal with them, in my opinion Rock has run dry in this arena.

I don't want to elevate the importance of any genre, I love music. If Rock had what Rap does today that would be great, albeit no difference to me.

You can call me arrogant, but I don't think you know just what I mean when I create a thread like this. These are theories, ideas. I'm not telling you what's good for you or anything, and if you want to argue I'm up for it. Why else would I make a thread like this? But if you don't know some basic things about the music we're dealing with, you don't belong here.

he might not have the background knowledge and you're right that people should talk about the things they know about but that wasn't required in the first place in this thread because you just stated your opinion and someone else had another one.

if you had sticked more carefully to the point you wanted to make I wouldn't say anything but you didn't explain your opinion, instead you doubt other peoples knowledge which is a poor move because it makes people think that you can't convince anyone with arguments. I mean you made strong statements and even now you just offer two sentences to explain them. that's a bad style.

In your opinion rock has run dry to express peoples emotions. I guess you say that because we have no real rock bands in the charts but there are huge underground, indie scenes all over the world that perfectly cover all kinds of emotion.

I think rap is important for certain people because it's a genre that perfectly expresses a minority but that makes it important just for this small group and not everyone in the society. and that's where I think that you are wrong. we don't need rap there is just a small group that actually needs rap.

btw. do you see how the statement you initially made has not much to do with rap as genre but with it's significance in society?

You have a point here, and I probably should've made it clearer that we are talking about the Mainstream here. Therefore, your Indie argument, although it is good (and reassuring), isn't in the picture I intended to discuss here.

As a white middle-class American, I think Rap is more important for the masses. Whites eat it up with no discretion, and although it dismays many, I've got no problem with that. Everybody needs music for their daily Blues.

My statement, in my mind, was about Rap's relationship with mainstream listeners, of course society ties in with that. It's always really about society.

If my ideas seem incomplete to you, I apologize. I can't help if what I type only makes sense to me. But I'll do my best to explain and achieve understanding. It's only the naive who I'm reluctant to discuss things with.

[worldwideboss]

Bob Dylan's lyrics are way better than anything any rapper will ever be able to produce. And so are Bruce Springsteen's.

And I'm not even comparing them musically, because I don't want to embarass rap.

The best "rap" tune is Subterranean Homesick Blues.

Edited September 25, 2006 by worldwideboss

[frankwhite]

Bob Dylan's lyrics are way better than anything any rapper will ever be able to produce. And so are Bruce Springsteen's.

And I'm not even comparing them musically, because I don't want to embarass rap.

The best "rap" tune is Subterranean Homesick Blues.

really? well lemme find u one better

[Verse One: Inspectah Deck/Rebel INS]

Yo, aiyyo my rap style swing like Willie Mays

My eyes Purple Haze, my solar razor burn through shades

My grenades raid the airwaves, catch this rap page

I glide like, hovercrafts on the Everglades

Born master, with the faster blade, track slasher

Manufacture poems to microphones, bones fracture

Limited edition composition spark friction

non-fiction, the calm bomb keep your arm distant

Zero tolerance, dominant intelligence

Wu original, true colors step from the melanin

The most high, most try, to get close by

and overthrow I, but choke, with they hopes up high

I circulate the tri-state and vibrate beyond the Richter

Flies sense to flock when they spot this live black person

The crowd seducer black your third eye before I lose ya

Verbal high I leave stars in the eyes of Medusa

Top ten, parley like Cochran, and Sharpton

narrow margin, of your odds to dodge the marksman

Murder rap, kill you soft like Roberta Flack

Words attack like a British Bulldog, observe the stacks

hip hop is intense and amazing and rock naysayers r, to a large degree, jus jealous cuz someone kicked rocks complacent fat self serving self congratulatory and quite frankly, boring ass out of the top of the mainstream.

[worldwideboss]

Bob Dylan's lyrics are way better than anything any rapper will ever be able to produce. And so are Bruce Springsteen's.

And I'm not even comparing them musically, because I don't want to embarass rap.

The best "rap" tune is Subterranean Homesick Blues.

really? well lemme find u one better

[Verse One: Inspectah Deck/Rebel INS]

Yo, aiyyo my rap style swing like Willie Mays

My eyes Purple Haze, my solar razor burn through shades

My grenades raid the airwaves, catch this rap page

I glide like, hovercrafts on the Everglades

Born master, with the faster blade, track slasher

Manufacture poems to microphones, bones fracture

Limited edition composition spark friction

non-fiction, the calm bomb keep your arm distant

Zero tolerance, dominant intelligence

Wu original, true colors step from the melanin

The most high, most try, to get close by

and overthrow I, but choke, with they hopes up high

I circulate the tri-state and vibrate beyond the Richter

Flies sense to flock when they spot this live black person

The crowd seducer black your third eye before I lose ya

Verbal high I leave stars in the eyes of Medusa

Top ten, parley like Cochran, and Sharpton

narrow margin, of your odds to dodge the marksman

Murder rap, kill you soft like Roberta Flack

Words attack like a British Bulldog, observe the stacks

hip hop is intense and amazing and rock naysayers r, to a large degree, jus jealous cuz someone kicked rocks complacent fat self serving self congratulatory and quite frankly, boring ass out of the top of the mainstream.

I've already said my opinion, and there is no fuckin' way I'm gonna change it because of that crap you presented.

[frankwhite]

Bob Dylan's lyrics are way better than anything any rapper will ever be able to produce. And so are Bruce Springsteen's.

And I'm not even comparing them musically, because I don't want to embarass rap.

The best "rap" tune is Subterranean Homesick Blues.

really? well lemme find u one better

[Verse One: Inspectah Deck/Rebel INS]

Yo, aiyyo my rap style swing like Willie Mays

My eyes Purple Haze, my solar razor burn through shades

My grenades raid the airwaves, catch this rap page

I glide like, hovercrafts on the Everglades

Born master, with the faster blade, track slasher

Manufacture poems to microphones, bones fracture

Limited edition composition spark friction

non-fiction, the calm bomb keep your arm distant

Zero tolerance, dominant intelligence

Wu original, true colors step from the melanin

The most high, most try, to get close by

and overthrow I, but choke, with they hopes up high

I circulate the tri-state and vibrate beyond the Richter

Flies sense to flock when they spot this live black person

The crowd seducer black your third eye before I lose ya

Verbal high I leave stars in the eyes of Medusa

Top ten, parley like Cochran, and Sharpton

narrow margin, of your odds to dodge the marksman

Murder rap, kill you soft like Roberta Flack

Words attack like a British Bulldog, observe the stacks

hip hop is intense and amazing and rock naysayers r, to a large degree, jus jealous cuz someone kicked rocks complacent fat self serving self congratulatory and quite frankly, boring ass out of the top of the mainstream.

I've already said my opinion, and there is no fuckin' way I'm gonna change it because of that crap you presented.

i dont expect u to change ur opinion but u cant deny the talent that goes into rap cuz quite frankly, few can do it. this isnt especially directed to u but a lotta people here r callin hip hop crap n requires no talent when ok, if its not to ur taste then ok, but u cant say it doesnt require talent cuz it does. by the bucketload.