Favourite MJ videos

[ffrankwhite]

I'm with Frank and Amanda. He's a fucking loon, and that's by far the nicest possible thing I can bring myself to say about him.

*On topic* That one with Naomi Campbell. I know she's a psycho bitch, but she's a damn fine looking psycho bitch.

fucken loon, huh, so have you actually met him and spoken to him, so who are you to judge him like that?

possibly not but im sure she hasnt met adolf hitler either..

Exactly. Based on his own words and actions, I feel quite comfortable caling him a loon. Considering the other things I'm comfortable calling him, I assure you, I'm being restrained.

*holds her back* it aint worth it buddy, it aint worth it!!! go to your comfort zone, dont let him break the circle, we've too many hours invested, breathe in, breathe out, iiiinnn, ooouuuuttt, iiiiinn, ooouuuuuttt.

(kidding )

[Axl-rocks]

I'm with Frank and Amanda. He's a fucking loon, and that's by far the nicest possible thing I can bring myself to say about him.

*On topic* That one with Naomi Campbell. I know she's a psycho bitch, but she's a damn fine looking psycho bitch.

fucken loon, huh, so have you actually met him and spoken to him, so who are you to judge him like that?

possibly not but im sure she hasnt met adolf hitler either..

so are you comparing MJ to Hitler?

They don't compare at all, and yeah people can judge him if they choose. But then again think if it was your life in papers and every step you made was taken into a 100 peices for a story for money. Think about if you made a mistake and it went world wide. Michael is human, but comparing him to Hitler is wrong.

[ffrankwhite]

I'm with Frank and Amanda. He's a fucking loon, and that's by far the nicest possible thing I can bring myself to say about him.

*On topic* That one with Naomi Campbell. I know she's a psycho bitch, but she's a damn fine looking psycho bitch.

fucken loon, huh, so have you actually met him and spoken to him, so who are you to judge him like that?

possibly not but im sure she hasnt met adolf hitler either..

so are you comparing MJ to Hitler?

They don't compare at all, and yeah people can judge him if they choose. But then again think if it was your life in papers and every step you made was taken into a 100 peices for a story for money. Think about if you made a mistake and it went world wide. Michael is human, but comparing him to Hitler is wrong.

i was more challenging the notion that you have to know someone to judge them or did you think i was saying MJ was responsible for the holocaust? try not to be so literal.

[Axl-rocks]

I'm with Frank and Amanda. He's a fucking loon, and that's by far the nicest possible thing I can bring myself to say about him.

*On topic* That one with Naomi Campbell. I know she's a psycho bitch, but she's a damn fine looking psycho bitch.

fucken loon, huh, so have you actually met him and spoken to him, so who are you to judge him like that?

possibly not but im sure she hasnt met adolf hitler either..

so are you comparing MJ to Hitler?

They don't compare at all, and yeah people can judge him if they choose. But then again think if it was your life in papers and every step you made was taken into a 100 peices for a story for money. Think about if you made a mistake and it went world wide. Michael is human, but comparing him to Hitler is wrong.

i was more challenging the notion that you have to know someone to judge them or did you think i was saying MJ was responsible for the holocaust? try not to be so literal.

I was thinking why you're putting MJ and hitler in comparision.

Which they don't compare at all.

and the difference between them is that what Hitler did is a world known fact.

Edited July 31, 2007 by Axl-rocks

[ffrankwhite]

I'm with Frank and Amanda. He's a fucking loon, and that's by far the nicest possible thing I can bring myself to say about him.

*On topic* That one with Naomi Campbell. I know she's a psycho bitch, but she's a damn fine looking psycho bitch.

fucken loon, huh, so have you actually met him and spoken to him, so who are you to judge him like that?

possibly not but im sure she hasnt met adolf hitler either..

so are you comparing MJ to Hitler?

They don't compare at all, and yeah people can judge him if they choose. But then again think if it was your life in papers and every step you made was taken into a 100 peices for a story for money. Think about if you made a mistake and it went world wide. Michael is human, but comparing him to Hitler is wrong.

i was more challenging the notion that you have to know someone to judge them or did you think i was saying MJ was responsible for the holocaust? try not to be so literal.

I was thinking why you're putting MJ and hitler in comparision.

Which they don't compare at all.

And with Hitler what he did was factual

yeah and im calling MJ pretencious based on fatual evidence too. and in answer to your question of what i would do if my life was under such scrutiny in the public well i'd do one of two things. 1) be low key and not so ostentacious 2) be ostentacious but develop a thick skin and learn to understand that if i act weird, people are gonna notice and point it out, that is the nature of fame and celebrity, what i wouldnt do is do is go around pissing and moaning interviews criticising the media when they take pictures of me dangling little children from hotel windows and walking around with a surgeons mask on my face to hide my Ken Doll nose. these things are factual too, someone so obssessed with their appearance can again not be deemed as down to earth. its vanity its the mirror opposite of being down to earth.

Edited July 31, 2007 by ffrankwhite

[Axl-rocks]

I'm with Frank and Amanda. He's a fucking loon, and that's by far the nicest possible thing I can bring myself to say about him.

*On topic* That one with Naomi Campbell. I know she's a psycho bitch, but she's a damn fine looking psycho bitch.

fucken loon, huh, so have you actually met him and spoken to him, so who are you to judge him like that?

possibly not but im sure she hasnt met adolf hitler either..

so are you comparing MJ to Hitler?

They don't compare at all, and yeah people can judge him if they choose. But then again think if it was your life in papers and every step you made was taken into a 100 peices for a story for money. Think about if you made a mistake and it went world wide. Michael is human, but comparing him to Hitler is wrong.

i was more challenging the notion that you have to know someone to judge them or did you think i was saying MJ was responsible for the holocaust? try not to be so literal.

I was thinking why you're putting MJ and hitler in comparision.

Which they don't compare at all.

And with Hitler what he did was factual

yeah and im calling MJ pretencious based on fatual evidence too. and in answer to your question of what i would do if my life was under such scrutiny in the public well i'd do one of two things. 1) be low key and not so ostentacious 2) be ostentacious but develop a thick skin and learn to understand that if i act weird, people are gonna notice and point it out, that is the nature of fame and celebrity, what i wouldnt do is do is go around pissing and moaning interviews criticising the media when they take pictures of me dangling little children from hotel windows and walking around with a surgeons mask on my face to hide my Ken Doll nose. these things are factual too, someone so obssessed with their appearance can again not be deemed as down to earth. its vanity its the mirror opposite of being down to earth.

the thing is how can you even compare your life to Michaels, none of us would have any idea unless someone here had a similiar life to him, come on now. And about the baby dangling, yeah sure it was a mistake, I myself will admit as a mother that I made some mistakes through being a parent but would I want to be ridiculed by it for the rest of my life, of course not, I knew I made a mistake and I moved on for the better. I'm sure other parents are the same. Even Michael as a parent himself. I'm not perfect and either is Michael.

And about Michaels appearance. It has nothing to do with his personality and how he interacts towards his fans and who he meets.

Edited July 31, 2007 by Axl-rocks

[ffrankwhite]

I'm with Frank and Amanda. He's a fucking loon, and that's by far the nicest possible thing I can bring myself to say about him.

*On topic* That one with Naomi Campbell. I know she's a psycho bitch, but she's a damn fine looking psycho bitch.

fucken loon, huh, so have you actually met him and spoken to him, so who are you to judge him like that?

possibly not but im sure she hasnt met adolf hitler either..

so are you comparing MJ to Hitler?

They don't compare at all, and yeah people can judge him if they choose. But then again think if it was your life in papers and every step you made was taken into a 100 peices for a story for money. Think about if you made a mistake and it went world wide. Michael is human, but comparing him to Hitler is wrong.

i was more challenging the notion that you have to know someone to judge them or did you think i was saying MJ was responsible for the holocaust? try not to be so literal.

I was thinking why you're putting MJ and hitler in comparision.

Which they don't compare at all.

And with Hitler what he did was factual

yeah and im calling MJ pretencious based on fatual evidence too. and in answer to your question of what i would do if my life was under such scrutiny in the public well i'd do one of two things. 1) be low key and not so ostentacious 2) be ostentacious but develop a thick skin and learn to understand that if i act weird, people are gonna notice and point it out, that is the nature of fame and celebrity, what i wouldnt do is do is go around pissing and moaning interviews criticising the media when they take pictures of me dangling little children from hotel windows and walking around with a surgeons mask on my face to hide my Ken Doll nose. these things are factual too, someone so obssessed with their appearance can again not be deemed as down to earth. its vanity its the mirror opposite of being down to earth.

the thing is how can you even compare your life to Michaels, none of us would have any idea unless someone here had a similiar life to him, come on now. And about the baby dangling, yeah sure it was a mistake, I myself will admit as a mother that I made some mistakes through being a parent but would I want to be ridiculed by it for the rest of my life, of course not, I knew I made a mistake and I moved on for the better. I'm sure other parents are the same. I'm not perfect and either is Michael.

And about Michaels appearance. It has nothing to do with his personality and how he interacts towards his fans and who he meets.

see, this is where fandom gets to a ridiculous point he's accused of child molesting? they're liars all of them, he changes his face and gets laughed at for it? oh leave him alone, he's had a rough life, every single thing he does is just totally excused by people because they buy into this image of this sensitive gentle person which im sure he is but the fact is, certain actions tend to color peoples perception of you, this is the way the world works, im sorry, but it is. sure it was a mistake, but there are a lot of mistakes that are costly or potentially costly enough to ruin your fucking life and hence you should think before you blink and you'd think from years in the public eye he'd learn something about how to conduct himself. im not asking michael to be perfect, i dont think anyone is perfect, we're not talking about perfection here we're talking about not being a nutbar.

michaels appearance has nothing to do with his personality? WRONG. the correction sentence there would be "michaels NATURAL appearance has nothing to do with his personality" the fact that his appearance is of his own design speaks volumes about his personality. you're right, i can't compare my life to michaels, no one can compare their lives to anyones and i didnt even do anything of the sort, however, certain acts color your perception of people. you can have an opinion on your neighbour your cousin your best friend but when its MJ all of a sudden you have to have lived his whole life to have any right to have a critical opinion. that is to say, we are all a result of conditioning, every second of our lives from the moment we're born to the present moment is responsible for who we are and what we do and therefore there is a reason behind everything but those reasons are just reasons they are neither excuses nor justifications. otherwise you could excuse anybody of any act. the fact it, theres comes an age where you start making concious desicions and committing yourself to acts and actions that you understand are reflective of you as a human being and if you're not mentally capable of making these desicions or grasping the concept well then theres special places for those kinds of people.

[Angelica]

and the difference between them is that what Hitler did is a world known fact.

MJ has done many loonish things which are world known facts (multiple bizarre plastic surgeries, admitting to regularly sleeping in the same bed as children who are not his own, baby dangling etc).

[Carne_asaDA]

Back on topic:

My fav vid is "Jam" featuring Michael Jordan and Heavy D

[xxAmandaxx]

i feel sorry amanda i really do you always get into this arguments where you have to explain some of the stupidest shit. OK, down to earth = being yourself, bleaching your skin is not being yourself now you can say "so what, he wants to" well great, no ones saying he shouldn't but its still a pertinent fact that that act does not come under the definition of being yourself. to pretencious, whether they are fine or not it does not get away from the fact that naming a kid blanket and parading them around under veils and masks is a pretencious and strange thing to do, it is NOT the act of someone who is down to earth. he's free to do it sure, but again, not down to earth. thats not a criticism necessarily but its a real painfully obvious undeniable fact.my favorite MJ video

Thank you for your sympathy, and thank you also for stepping up to the plate after I went to bed. Saved me my usual job of explaining the most elementary basic shit, that hardly needs explaining.Ffrank is correct, you seem to trying to say that you think he is a nice guy - maybe he is, but he IS NOT "down to earth".

he named another kid blanket and yeah, that definition was necessary because i think some people are misunderstanding the meaning of the term down to earth.

Yep. The term "down to earth" and Michael Jackson dont normally go together. This man also coined the term "king of pop" to describe himself...very down to earth..

Blanket is a nickname, he explained that and Michael never called himself the king of pop, Elizabeth taylor was the first to call him that at an award show, and after that the name Michael jackson king of pop was everywhere by fans etcthis is the first time Michael is called the king of pop by Elizabeth Taylor in 1989, the name king of pop for Michael went from there

And you dont think he told E. Taylor to say that?? I read, from a reliable source that he wanted himself known as the King of Pop, as he was jealous that Elvis was known as "the king". He thought he was royalty too...ever noticed the princley style, military jackets etc - the man has a royalty complex and likes to think of himself as a prince or a king - hence the TWO kids being called Prince Michael...hardly the mark of anyone thats down to earth..

that doesnt dispute the fact that the definition of down to earth does not even come close to describing the man, its just a fact dude. it not necessarily a criticism, its just a truism.

Correct.

well I know for a fact that his attitude is down the earth, more so than people think, sure he is not the every day kinda person but if you think about his life and being one of the most famous people on this earth well that's to be expected. And it's not like he can go out and do everyday things like you and me without getting photographed or video taped every second.For most who have met him say he is really nice. When he was on trial he invited his fans to his ranch and mingled in with them and they said that Michael was very welcoming and easy going.

Nice does not mean the same as "down to earth". Would you like it explained again - down to earth means plain, ordinary in style and demeanour. Not showy etc etc. A comparison, Keifer Sutherland or Patrick Swayze would be described as down to earth. They dont prance around in sequins, and military jackets. They dont bleach their skin and dance on top of cars, they dont call their son Prince Patrick the second, they dont portray themselves as a christ figure....blah blah blah. Nice people though.

can you explain to me what you think down to earth means? hows this, you wanna see down to earth? this is real down to earth right here, watch this video, wait til about the 3:40 mark, namely, the part where poor homeless helpless afflicted looking people gather onstage which jacko prances around them, only to stop after a while, strip off til he's all dressed in heavenly white, stand there with his arms out-stretched while the poverty stricken around him then turn to his embrace. ever hear of a Christ complex? this video is positively obscene. now you could interpret that as "oh, he's putting forward a message of love and togetherness" but look at the imagery, look at the set up, performances are coreographed, look where he places himself in relation to other people. if he wanted to convey love and togetherness he'd do that by possibly (just a suggestion) dressing up as them maybe? holding hands with them on their level? as a message laden performance that would still be pretencious but this one is just flat out disturbing and he makes himself out to be a dick. on the unedited version of this performance Jarvis Cocker from the band Pulp ran onstage and mooned the crowd and generally messed around in protest at what he thought was just a ridiculous degree of pomposity and im inclined to agree with him. and ridiculous claims made by Jacko like the one where he said that white society has been out to get him since he started out-selling elvis or something, thats just fucking ridiculous and im a black person saying that.

but still, my question if you could answer. what does down to earth mean?

True. What is your understanding of down to earth Axl rules?

and the difference between them is that what Hitler did is a world known fact.

MJ has done many loonish things which are world known facts (multiple bizarre plastic surgeries, admitting to regularly sleeping in the same bed as children who are not his own, baby dangling etc).

Yes Angelica, the man is nuttier than a Xmas Pudding..

Edited July 31, 2007 by xxAmandaxx

[xxAmandaxx]

I'm with Frank and Amanda. He's a fucking loon, and that's by far the nicest possible thing I can bring myself to say about him.

*On topic* That one with Naomi Campbell. I know she's a psycho bitch, but she's a damn fine looking psycho bitch.

fucken loon, huh, so have you actually met him and spoken to him, so who are you to judge him like that?

possibly not but im sure she hasnt met adolf hitler either..

so are you comparing MJ to Hitler?

They don't compare at all, and yeah people can judge him if they choose. But then again think if it was your life in papers and every step you made was taken into a 100 peices for a story for money. Think about if you made a mistake and it went world wide. Michael is human, but comparing him to Hitler is wrong.

No he's not comparing him to Hitler, he's saying that you cant say that Hitler isnt a loon just because you havent met him either. You can see that he's a loon without having met him.

yeah and im calling MJ pretencious based on fatual evidence too. and in answer to your question of what i would do if my life was under such scrutiny in the public well i'd do one of two things. 1) be low key and not so ostentacious 2) be ostentacious but develop a thick skin and learn to understand that if i act weird, people are gonna notice and point it out, that is the nature of fame and celebrity, what i wouldnt do is do is go around pissing and moaning interviews criticising the media when they take pictures of me dangling little children from hotel windows and walking around with a surgeons mask on my face to hide my Ken Doll nose. these things are factual too, someone so obssessed with their appearance can again not be deemed as down to earth. its vanity its the mirror opposite of being down to earth.

Spot on. Also, have you seen that interview that got him into trouble - the Martin Bashir one..anyway, MJ was seen clearly LYING at stages through the interview.

For instance, Bashir asks him "did you have a relationship with Blankets mother?" MJ said he did, implying that their was a sexual union.

Later, Bashir asks him the same thing, and he says no.

Also, view the footage of MJ inside that shop at Vegas where he just walks around saying "Ill have that" to everything, dazzling Bashir with the way he seemingly spent around $3m without blinking.

It was reported later that he sent everything back, couldnt pay for it, and had only done that to show off during the interview.

Hardly the mark of someone that is down to earth...

the thing is how can you even compare your life to Michaels, none of us would have any idea unless someone here had a similiar life to him, come on now. And about the baby dangling, yeah sure it was a mistake, I myself will admit as a mother that I made some mistakes through being a parent but would I want to be ridiculed by it for the rest of my life, of course not, I knew I made a mistake and I moved on for the better. I'm sure other parents are the same. Even Michael as a parent himself. I'm not perfect and either is Michael.

And about Michaels appearance. It has nothing to do with his personality and how he interacts towards his fans and who he meets.

There's a scene in the Bashir interview where a female fan is pleading to be allowed inside the limo, to get to MJ, "to get a hug". If you listen very closely (most people would have missed it) you hear MJ mumble to some other guy sitting near him "Ill give you more than a hug" and the other man laughs.

Nothing wrong with that, but what Im getting at, is that I dont think he's the innocent, saint that youre trying to make us think he is. He was also found to have a very large collection of pornography that included girls of around 16 years old.

According to Lisa Marie Presley, and Walter Yetnikof, he also DOES NOT talk in that high pitched whispery voice either. His REAL voice is deep and manly. He puts on that little boy voice, as he was trained to talk like that as a teen, and cant let it go - he believes it's part of his Peter Pan image.

Hardly 'down to earth' is it? It's hardly 'down to earth' to have giraffes and carousels etc around your home.

He may be an ok guy, but he is not down to earth....Elton John is more down to earth than Michael Jackson...

Edited July 31, 2007 by xxAmandaxx

[JeanGenie]

you gotta keep it real MJ down to earth? I think he's hardly down to this solar system. I like his music and all but that he's pretty fucking far from "down to earth" is a fact you got to get realistic about.

[xxAmandaxx]

Favourite MJ vids:

Purely for the sentimental factor - Beat It and Billie Jean.

I, like most people when these songs were number 1, loved them, and I loved Michael Jackson. This was Michael Jackson, WHEN he was cool. When he still looked hot. When his music was still relevant and popluar. Before his ego had gone beserk and turned him into a freak.

I like the following two videos for a different reason: Rock With You, and Dont Stop Till You Get Enough.

If you watch these video's you see a Michael Jackson that was real, and "down to earth". The joy he expresses as he sings these songs is a pleasure to watch. This was Michael Jackson standing on the threshold of international adulation and success. A guy that was too busy expressing happiness in his music to care too much about his hair, or his skin colour.

A far cry from the idiotic and self indulgent Bad video - where he makes a complete fool of himself. It's a pity he didnt stay innocent and joyful, but instead turned into an egomaniac.

Edited August 1, 2007 by xxAmandaxx

[New Rose]

Lets keep this in MJ's videos before it goes ridiculously off-topic...

I must say They Don't Care About Us is my favorite, great video. Also the video where he was in that haunted mansion with that family, kinda like Thriller but it's newer. Anyone remember that? I can't, I saw it such a long time ago.

Ghost is the video, here it is, I love it . The old man in it is also Michael aswell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwOA8H5Vaak

Whoa! Thanks a LOT! I've been looking for it forever, thanks a bunch!

EDIT: Hahahhaha, this is way cooler than I remembered

Edited August 1, 2007 by New Rose

[-Laura-]

Awww.. so many.

Thriller, Beat it, Bad, The Way You Make Me Feel and Cry are my favorites.

[lagofala]

Is Michael Jackson a weirdo part 10???0

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Prosecution Defense

ffrankwhite Axl-Rocks

xxAmandaxx

Personally i feel he is very misquoted and too harshly made fun of by the media.

But he's not down to earth because he can't be because he's a SUPERstar.

But i don't get the baby dangling and sleeping with children and jesus juice.

[DopeSickGirl]

Gotta love the vid for Earth Song

xDSGx

[New Rose]

Gotta love the vid for Earth Song

xDSGx

Oh yeah, definitely! Didn't remember that, it was one of my favorite videos when I was little