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1 minute ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

I think it's his last 'statement' as a completely original, new release. Of course they could release an album in the future, but it would likely be a collection of the NITL singles and other songs. I wouldn't be surprised by a single every few years but that's obviously not the same kind of 'statement' as an album.

If we're going by what Axl has said, he had 26 songs that were almost done near the end of the CD sessions. Let's be generous and assume Shackler's and TIL weren't included at that time - we've still heard at least half of CD2. That's not a bad indicator.

you're not taking into consideration a lot of factors: the new material Gn'R could come up with, the exact number of unreleased Chinese tunes be it instrumentals or with vocals remains unknown to us, what Axl has managed to come up with since the time he gave that interview about the 26 songs completed and 32 overal. that was a long time ago.

don't know why you think it would be likely a collection of the NITL singles and other songs, but I guess it's possible.

I'm talking more about a proper, final musical statement. does Axl thinks a full album is the way to go? or what if he'll want to release just one brand new single at a time that came from a Slash riff for example? there are too many factors that we have no idea about, but it did seemed in the China Exchange interview that Axl was still in his Chinese phase, still not being done with releasing what you can call extra Chinese tracks, but after that, anything is (still) possible.

nothing is stopping Axl from taking 5 years to construct another musical statement and now he has all he needs to make it happen cause Slash and Duff are back in the band and there's no pressure to do anything. the only way it could work imo.

5 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

CD was his final musical 'statement' and it was a good one. The leftovers/singles are only a glimpse into the vault, but they're not promising, and it doesn't seem like there's any real effort to go out with a final album. There's gems in the vault of course, but we've only heard them from leaks - Monsters and Going Down. SOG had potential. I'd like to hear anything that Axl has recorded, but I'm definitely not holding my breath.

first of all, I'm not holding my breath either. I did say that if it would happen, it would happen years from now. that is my guess anyway.

second: how do you know that Chinese Democracy was Axl's final statement? you don't, cause Gn'R is not over yet plus what Axl has in his hard drives probably dates back to the 90's and combined with whatever got done during the Chinese years, a 'glimpse' is the right word to describe what we got. it's not a reliable indicator when it comes to how much material the current lineup has to work with or in what quality. we know very little, that's an important fact to remember.

9 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

Sure, anything could happen. 1% chance of happening is still a chance. But there's no real reason to think it will happen eventually, I wouldn't say there's a 'good chance' they'd even attempt it. You can find quotes like this from Slash and Duff going back several years, which are just a continuation from what the band said during the CD years.

yes, I'm aware of the history and old quotes from the 90's regarding a new album, but history doesn't predict the future and Axl is not 90 years old. I think making a final musical statement is a tall order and maybe not going to be easy to pull off, but these guys have made records together before, there is a lot of unreleased material to work with, and with the current structure of the band with no real issues, I think there is a real chance for them to make it happen years from now.

I realize that it can very easily not happen and all we'll get is whatever remaining Chinese tunes that Axl still wants to release, if that, but I believe ideally, Axl would want to end it with a proper album that includes Slash (and Duff)

just because the process is super slow, doesn't mean Axl can't get to the finish line in time. that's just the way I see it, I can understand why others like you see it differently considering Axl's reputation as a musician.

this new one is pretty good I thought. cool chorus as well.

3 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

"could be interested... eventually" 

 

At best a final album would be a compilation of the NITL singles, covers and Duff songs. I'd bet a covers album is more likely than an actual newly-written album... and in the context of GNR, newly-written still leaves them a decade to write it

they still have time to make it happen. it all depends on Axl, but the way Slash and Duff are talking about it recently makes me conclude that Axl probably let Slash and Duff know that a new album isn't off the table at the very least and my guess is that there's a good chance that an attempt will be made eventually. stranger things have happened and we have no idea what exactly Axl wants to do cause he's not talking.

saying there is zero chance for it to happen just ignores the reality of it imho.

1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said:

I'm stoked for this album, and it's cool to read about it, but this made me laugh.

 

 

I'm sure everyone has tons of ideas. The timing hasn't aligned. They all want to do it, they just need to figure out how.

another comment made by either Slash or Duff that makes me think they have talked about it and that Axl could be interested in doing a final Gn'R album eventually. doesn't mean it will definitely happen, or anytime soon, but I think it's very possible that Axl doesn't want Gn'R to end without a final Gn'R album released.

13 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

it's called midlife crisis, not sure it lasts 10 years

it's called being attracted to much younger women as an older man. the reason is often sexual preference and when a much older man dates a 20- 30 year old woman it doesn't always mean its cause he's in some sort of a midlife crisis. 

in many ways, old men are still who they were when they were younger inside and some are not attracted or not nearly as attracted to women who are closer in age to them if they're in their 50's or 60's for example. 

1 hour ago, jekylhyde said:

This.

You usually hire people, because you need someone to do things that you can't or don't know about. People that know what they are doing and are able to tell you when something is not feasible/reasonable/cost-effective etc.

If you want to succeed, hiring yes-men is the dumbest thing you can do.

if an employee says "no" to me or doesn't do what I need him to do as boss, should I give him a raise? after you succeed you sometimes need a guy or a group of people to take care of shit you don't want to do/don't want to even think about.

time is money and maybe Axl wants to use his to take extended naps for example cause he can afford it. it's not dumb if you require it to live more how you want to live as an eccentric rich guy. Axl seems to have found the formula that works for him after trying a lot of outside managers. if using people he trusts is a priority, people who know him or what he needs, that is not dumb, it;s logical. 

2 hours ago, Karice said:

Isn't DJ Ashba more of a mistake than a joke? A joke would be someone who used to be part of Guns N'Roses and is now begging Fans for $20 Autographs. 💡

he's more of a clown and a producer

it's like when David Lee Roth formed the DLR band with Steve Vai and other talented musicians who had creative input. it wasn't Van Halen. it's just that Axl got the rights to the Gn'R name as I see it and tried to kinda recreate the Gn'R sound with Chinese Democracy.

5 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

But it wasn't "all his material and ideas". Brain and Josh and Robin and Dizzy and Bucket, etc, came up with a lot of those ideas. Just compare Sorry from Village Leaks to the final version or Shackler's. They were the same songs before Axl had any input (as far as we know). If Axl had written then songs with input from session musicians, then yes, it would be a solo effort. But this was the case of band members all bringing in ideas for songs in a collaborative environment. And yes, Axl eventually had the final say, but that is also not that different from many other bands.

could be seen as Axl's solo band, doesn't mean it was Gn'R, just because totally different players were also involved in the creative process imo.

Just now, jamillos said:

Dude, I really don’t know with you. You reacted to something, offering your point of view. I reacted to something, offering mine. You take it weirdly and get all defensive. You say "I was just sharing my thoughts" – well, what do you think I was doing? It seems to me you take the conversations here very personally, or at least a bit too seriously. Or do you expect just to post things with people either constantly agreeing with you or otherwise not reacting at all? 
As for the majority of the fans, I was just describing what could be logically expected and what Axl certainly can’t not take into consideration, that's all. There’s nothing wrong with speculations etc. 
Anyway, take it easy, gotta go. 

what is there to take personally here? everytime someone disagrees with you, you take it very poorly and you end the discussion. I suggest you take a look at the loop you're in instead of projecting whatever it is going on with you on me, as I'm simply doing what I've always done around here, trying to discuss Gn'R here with other people without it being silly like you, yet again, explaining to everyone how we should always leave room for interpretation and respect each others opinion. I feel like instead of focusing on the topic at hand, you just keep repeating yourself so thought I should let you know so maybe you'll see that I'm already aware of that.

Just now, jamillos said:

Well if I repeat that things are not black-or-white, as you say, then that’s because I often generally see black-or-white approaches here. Otherwise, I don’t know what you mean by "going through this shit". @jacdaniel had a good point, that’s all I’m saying. Or am I not allowed to react?
Yes, your guess is as good as anyone else’s, and vice versa. And since nothing is black-or-white (really, again!?), Axl definitely might be releasing these demos to finish something, but on the other hand has to think of the fans as well (again, the majority of which want to hear some more classic GNR/Slash-based tunes and not stuff like The General). 
We’re just talking here, man. 

even when you use the word "definitely" you follow it with the word "might". are you aware that you invest a lot of words and time in making sure that everyone knows that it's open ended, opinion based, etc? did I say that @jacdaniel didn't have a good point? I was just sharing my thoughts about how I see it. I hope that's ok.

I don't care much about what the majority wants. I try to see it for what it is, not what I want it to be. I think that beggars can't be choosers anyway. I believe that everything we get from now on is a bonus,

Just now, jamillos said:

Possible. But that would have been CD2, the NuGuns era. It's different now, isn't it. Anyway, I don't think it changes anything about what I wrote below that. 

yes, very good. all opinions are valid. I never thought otherwise or tried to present my opinions as fact. must we go through this shit everytime we're trying to discuss Gn'R? you seem to have a need to repeat how it's not black and white, how it's open to speculation, etc. I realize that.

and also, btw, I don't consider Chinese Democracy to be a Gn'R album, but everything that you've said in your post doesn't change what I said in my original post in this thread about why I think that Axl is releasing his Chinese material. mostly for himself, mostly to finish what he started.

1 minute ago, jamillos said:

Or maybe he was actually testing the waters with Silk Worms, yes, it’s possible. Could have been a whim. Could have been a bet. Could have been incited by the other guys (unlikely, though). Could have been a number of things. (He also mentioned on the stage some joke that people don’t get regarding this song; I think someone here commented on that, but I’ve probably forgotten what it was about... granted it was ever explained at all.) 

I wouldn’t mind him releasing a large number of CD2 tunes as part of the new album, as long as there are at least a few new/Slash/90s songs. But it's still not hard to understand that to many people – and especially the casuals, who are the ones filling the stadiums after all – Axl’s NuGNR (CD) era was indeed just a solo effort, regardless of the fact he always kept the band’s name. And so I see why some folks would want him to get the CD2 stuff out of his system first and then release a brand new album made by the original three and containing their own songs, even if from the 90s. It's not rocket science and most bands would do it this way. We're just so immersed in this band fandom that we've sort of gotten used to thinking that everything is impossible. Anyway... it probably won’t happen like this, but it’s a valid point of view nonetheless. 

but he said he wanted to release Absurd back in 2013 if I'm not mistaken

1 minute ago, jacdaniel said:

You’re probably right. But CD was supposedly a trilogy and Slash gave the impression that they only reworked like 6 songs. 

Maybe Axl can see that those songs are not going down well with Guns fans so might release other stuff separately. 

Probably the most likely scenario is that nothing at all happens until a new tour is announced 

do you think Axl chose to release Absurd as the first single of the current lineup cause the top priority in his mind was how the material was going to be accepted by Gn'R fans? or did he do that more for himself?

my guess is that maybe it's nice for him when some fans enjoy what he chooses to release, but that it's more about finishing what he started and then maybe he'll move on from it after all the old Chinese tunes that he wants to release are out there, officially.

20 minutes ago, jacdaniel said:

I always thought it would have made more sense to release his solo stuff as a solo artist so hopefully this is him doing that.

Get rid of all that Chinese stuff and do a Guns album with Guns

"all that Chinese stuff" is probably the most you're going to get from Gn'R if we're not talking years from now, and I highly doubt that Axl is suddenly going to release all that Chinese stuff under his own name after releasing 4 Chinese singles under the Gn'R name with Slash and Duff.

a lot of people got a stick up their ass about being a fanatic when it comes to Gn'R. as if it's a new thing to get attached to shit that has a connection to a celebrity/musician/artist

what's the big deal, anyway? so it's weird. whatever. as long as it's not stalking and you get permission, who cares. 

5 hours ago, WhazUp said:

I think he's a life coach sharing tips for free

1 minute ago, Stiven.DxN.10 said:

I never thought that TB can convince or influence Axl to release new music, but as a management team they can convince him to do such small thing for the fans it's the bare minimum

you're already getting what Axl is willing to share, on his terms. if he wanted to hurry the fuck up about it and release all the Chinese era stuff, quickly work on a new album with Slash and Duff and release it, then that's what would have happened or at least an attempt.

what is the small thing for the fans that you think TB can convince him to do? is TB there to convince Axl to do stuff or is it to lighten the load and help him live and function the way he wants to do it? these are questions that I think are relevant here.

eh... could be worse. there was a RHCP Flea groupie that somehow got access to his sweaty used after show underwear, squeezed it like a wet towel and drank every drop of it. saw a guy talking about it on VH1's behind the music.

it's nuts out there.

3 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

No way that’s intentional. Sorry to burst peoples bubble. It was clearly a mistake. 

if I had to bet on it, I'd say that you're right, but technically I don't know. the price seems to be too low for it to be real, that much I know.

6 minutes ago, lunastar said:

Yes, but only in FP money it says that people are fighting over a bag of money. And there is an open path ahead. Just read the lyrics on the Internet.

but Izzy posted on social media that they didn't want to share the loot, so not only in the form of a song, he was straight up about it saying it was about money disagreements, basically saying that Axl, Slash, and Duff were too greedy for it to work out between them and Izzy.