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the band most probably doesn't even know this cringe abomination exists...

just putting some future update notes here, as I edit the sheet in the background, before I eventually update it here too. added some Billy Howerdel notes for additional context (in January or March 97 Robin Finck was approached, but he only joined in April 97, officially announced May 22nd 1997, brought Billy Howerdel in as engineer soon after) (Matt Sorum left for good Mar/April 97, Chris Vrenna auditioned April 97, Dave Abbruzzese auditioning May 1997, Joey Castillo joined for summer 97 to August 97) (Duff left in August 97, Billy Howerdel was handling studio bass before Tommy Stinson joined) (...) (Robin Finck left in August 1999, some of his parts were partly removed, replacements were considered - Dave Navarro, Stevie Salas, Zim Zum, Nick Nolan) (Billy Howerdel left in September 1999)

updated. added The General and Monsters (also fixed the cellphone recording info) added two more small adjustments somewhere I forgot where (LOL, sorry)

I also thought we're in a different timeline, but hey, here we are and the pest is still rampaging around.

this particular person is the mentally ill "list troll" who flooded everything with made up lists after the locker tracks leaked. treat with highest suspicion.

I think the keyboards/piano are the same as on the old mix, just now it's mixed "properly" so they can be actually heard well. piano is fine on this.

no. it's 23+ years old vocal track again, just like with the previous two releases.

just look at them and then contemplate if your question is even necessary. anyway. I like drums on this, and I also like rhytm guitars - both drums and rhytm guitars have cool fills which make it enjoyable to listen. bass is thick, good. vocals are... basically the same as in the old version, they are OK, no Mickey. I do hate the added whining with passion though, especially that shit between 2:18 and 2:28 is utter shit "guitar solo" sucks hard. I prefer the original Robin Finck's solo, which is still partly left on this - too bad he's uncredited.

lol, yes, of course. my typo.

updated. - added Perhaps (2023) - added Curly Shuffle (1999, date from Universal Vault YT video) - added Make Your Play note regarding re-release by Brother Cane (1993)

it's most likely really Robin, not Brian. and yes, the new Slash "solo" is one of the worst abominations he ever made, it just sucks hard. the rest of the song sounds fine - better drums, fatter bass, stronger vox...

oh yes I have noticed this a couple of days ago too. I will add this to the sheet when I do next update thanks for reminding me

my own personal idea is that the Beavan final mixes and subsequent mastered album would sound very similar to other things Beavan worked at back then - namely Antichrist Superstar and Mechanical Animals by Marilyn Manson - of course I have no proof for that saying, and the truth might have been completely different. but it sounds plausible to me.

well, my sheet says so too. there was some short period when those two worked together. but that doesn't really mean that the leaks we got have been worked at by him. it's somewhat likely, but no guarrantee.

good question but hard to answer. I guess that the 4 Village Rough Mixes discs are mostly re-mixed Beavan tracks, basically Disc 1 is unmixed Beavan album and other discs are remaining tracks, but of course nobody knows the intended final tracklist back then. but because these tracks have already been co-worked at by Beavan and RTB, it might be some kind of transition phase or whatever else combination. the newer tracks are less likely to be Beavan. on the other hand, the 3 tracks that leaked as "1999 demos" are almost certainly just another alternations of the Rough Mixes versions, just with slight differences or identical ones, so that maybe has Beavan touches on that too.