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15 hours ago, DTJ80 said:

Good stuff - when will it be available (realise it's a big task)!?

the google docs sheet linked somewhere above is always the "live" last version, the table in first post of this topic is updated regularly (OK, it's out of date at the moment LOL)

lol, no way.

OK so I slowly (very slowly) started the update work on the sheet. I'm still not sure if I should keep IRS by Razz - the track seems to be identical to the Rough Mixes 3 one, but still I kinda feel like I should keep it together with other Razz files... 

massive thanks to @username for his sort-out job!

01.01.01 - House Of Blues, Las Vegas, NV
attendance: 1,800
soundcheck: Welcome To The Jungle, November Rain
set: Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Oh My God, My Michelle, Think About You, You Could Be Mine, Sweet Child O' Mine, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, November Rain, Out Ta Get Me, Rocket Queen, Rhiad And The Bedouins, Chinese Democracy, Patience, The Blues, Nightrain
encore: Chicken Binge [Buckethead], Silkworms, Paradise City
audio/video recording?: audio, video [pro-shot]
notes: Playing his first GN'R show in 7 1/2 years, Axl Rose does not disappoint the sold out crowd of 1800. At 3:32 a.m., a short animation intro is shown on the video screen behind the stage. An animated Axl introduces himself as ‘Uncle Axl’ and the clip is almost a mock of all the press about him in recent years. Robin Finck comes out on stage first and starts strumming the opening chords to 'Welcome To The Jungle' very slowly. The band breaks into the song and so does the athletically-clad Axl. Sporting silver sunglasses, Adidas jogging pants and a Chinese dragon shirt, this older and wiser Axl is better than ever. His vocals are crisp and he still can control a crowd with passion. During songs he is running to the side of the stage to watch the band perform. The band, consisting of Dizzy Reed on keyboards, Paul Tobias on guitar, Tommy Stinson on bass, Robin Finck on guitar, Buckethead on guitar, Bryan 'Brain' Mantia on drums and Chris Pittman on keyboards, prove their validity as a unit throughout each song. They were tight and menacing to the ears of all in attendance. The highlight of the show was a ‘Welcome Back’ chant that started while the band was getting ready to play ‘Patience.’ A smiling and almost-about-to-cry Axl told the crowd that he was “embarrassed.” Consisting of mostly Appetite For Destruction tracks, the set was blistering. ‘Think About You’ was played, which hasn’t been documented as being played since 1986! The new tracks, played for the first time, were full of new sounds that were ready for public consumption. ‘Oh My God’ was reworked and has a new, hard edge that makes you cringe. 'Chinese Democracy' was written by Axl after he saw the movie Kundun, he told the crowd. 'The Blues' has a piano intro that after 10 seconds is injected with heavy guitars. ‘Silkworms’ (the title being told to me by Jeremy of the road crew), was heavily infused by keyboards and pure rock guitars. When he introduced the band, Axl went out of his way to thank Paul for helping him live through the past 8 years. After 'Chinese Democracy,' with Brain playing a short drum solo, Buckethead struts the stage and starts playing nunchuks and throws them into the crowd. He then throws out chocolate roses from a KFC bucket to crowd members (one of which was stolen from me by Mark Roulley!!). Towards the end of the set, Buckethead plays a short, country-western style jam by himself, with Axl dancing and laughing at the side of the stage. After ‘Paradise City,’ Axl thanks the crowd and wishes everyone a happy new year. At 5:36 a.m., after 2 hours and 4 minutes of pure rock & roll and chaos, the show is over, leaving the 1800 concert-goers with their jaws-dropped and craving for more. The band soundchecked at the House of Blues at 6 a.m. on Dec. 31.

01.15.01 - Rock City, Barra da Tijuca, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
attendance: 200,000+
opening acts: Pato Fú, Carlinhos Brown, IRA! e Ultraje a Rigor, Papa Roach, Oasis
soundcheck: It's So Easy, November Rain, My Michelle, Oh My God, Knockin' On Heaven's Door
set: Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Oh My God, Think About You, You Could Be Mine, Sossego [Robin solo], Sweet Child O' Mine, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Madagascar, Guitar Solo [Buckethead], November Rain, Out Ta Get Me, Rocket Queen, Chinese Democracy, Chicken Binge [Buckethead], Instrumental Jam, The Blues, Patience, Nightrain
encore: Instrumental Jam, My Michelle, Silkworms, Paradise City
audio/video recording?: video, audio
notes: GN'R rocks Rio once again, hitting the stage at 1:40 a.m. in the wee hours of Jan. 15th. The show is preceded by an animation intro [read a transcript of the intro], the same as the Las Vegas, NV [01.01.01] animation intro. During 'It's So Easy,' Axl has a fan kicked out who apparently had been wearing a GN'R=Slash t-shirt and had been taunting Axl. After 'Mr. Brownstone,' Axl speaks through a translator to say that many of the fans are disappointed that past band members are not currently in the band. He says the ex-band members did everything they could so that Axl couldn't be there today, to which Axl says "Fuck that!" He tells the crowd that he is hurt and that unlike Oasis, Axl and his former members couldn't find a way to get along. He then introduces the band and gives a special speech about Paul Tobias, saying that without Paul, there would be no more Guns N' Roses. After 'Think About You,' Axl introduces Brain to lead into 'You Could Be Mine.' After 'You Could Be Mine,' Axl introduces Robin so Robin can speak some Portugese to the audience and play a guitar solo. Before 'Knockin' On Heaven's Door,' Axl mentions that this is a new band and it was time to do a version of the song that was more closer to the original. Unlike the Vegas show, the ending of 'Knockin On Heaven's Door' is extended so the crowd can participate. Axl dedicates 'Madagascar,' a song on which he played guitar, to the love that the Brazilian fans have shown the band. After 'Madagascar,' Axl introduces Buckethead so he can play an instrumental for the crowd, in which he jams on his song 'Big Sur Moon' from his Colma album. Axl introduces Paul during 'Rocket Queen' to play the solo. After 'Rocket Queen,' Axl says that they have only done 1 show before this and that they have already been criticized for doing the "old songs." He goes on to say that one of the reasons they play the old songs is for everyone to see that "This new band can play the fuck out of these songs." He then introduces the band, starting with Buckethead. After 'Chinese Democracy,' Buckethead plays a country-western style jam, which leads into a short instrumental jam. Axl introduces 'Patience' by saying "You might know this song!" After 'Patience,' Axl tells the crowd he used to surf the internet, but to him it seems to be a big garbage can. So he doesn't read the garbage that is written anymore, and he goes on to mention a few names of Argentinian fans that post stuff!! Before 'Silkworms,' Axl tells the crowd that it was written by Dizzy Reed & Chris Pittman. Prior to 'Paradise City,' a Brazilian "Samba School" [Escola de Samba] comes on stage to play for a few minutes. After 'Paradise City,' Axl tells the crowd he has been taken care of by a Brazilian family, specifically Beta, his assistant, and her 3 children. He says that she has been a mother & manager to him, and that she has helped everyone in the band. Beta also was the translator for the night. Axl then tells the crowd the band will "Be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs!" The band soundchecked on the 14th between 12:30 p.m. and 2:30 p.m.

12.29.01 - The Joint, Hard Rock Hotel, Las Vegas, NV
attendance: 1,400
set: Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Guitar Solo [Buckethead], Oh My God, Think About You, You Could Be Mine, Sweet Child O' Mine, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Out Ta Get Me, Madagascar, Rocket Queen, November Rain, Chinese Democracy, The Blues, Acoustic Guitar Solo [Buckethead], Patience, Silkworms, My Michelle, Paradise City
audio/video recording?: no
notes: A very odd and entertaining show. Unlike the new band’s first show together [1.1.01], GN’R hit the stage early - around 10:52 p.m. and play ‘till about 1 a.m. Axl began the show wearing a #12 Oakland Raiders Rich Gannon jersey. During ‘Welcome To The Jungle,’ Axl gives the finger to some people in the crowd. There were many sound problems early on in the show, with Axl often leaving the stage while the band continued to play. Tommy sang almost all of ‘Oh My God.’ Robin also threw his guitar down during ‘Oh My God,’ obviously enraged by the problems. Axl’s odd presence continued on for the rest of the night, probably since he wasn’t comfortable with his sound-piece. Later on in the show he would yell at his sound guy. Buckethead’s first guitar solo is played pretty much to cover up for the sound difficulties. He played parts of the ‘Star Wars Theme’ and the ‘Pirates Of The Caribbean Theme.’ After ‘Rocket Queen,’ Axl told the crowd about the band’s current status. He talked about how these shows in Vegas were the first ones he wanted to play since the UYI tour. He nonchalantly criticized Doug Goldstein for booking the European 2001 tour without his knowledge, leading Axl to find out about it through the internet! He went on to promise that the band would eventually deliver on the album. All the songs were played straight-through – there was no encore break. The most astonishing thing is that Axl worked through the night’s problems and didn’t let the crowd down by ending the show early.

12.31.01 - The Joint, Hard Rock Hotel, Las Vegas, NV
attendance: 1,400
set: Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Oh My God, Think About You, You Could Be Mine, Sweet Child O' Mine, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Madagascar, November Rain, Out Ta Get Me, Guitar Solo [Buckethead], Rocket Queen, Chinese Democracy, Acoustic Guitar Solo [Buckethead], Patience, The Blues, Silkworms, My Michelle, Nightrain
encore: Paradise City
audio/video recording?: no
notes: Another New Year’s gig in Vegas – GN’R hit the stage around 11:05 p.m. and plays ‘till about 1:15 a.m. The band is in a much more relaxed mood, most likely due to the lack of sound difficulties. Early in the show Axl wore a #44 Florida St. Seminoles football jersey. This show definitely had a harder edge to it – the band wanted to prove that the 12.29 show was a fluke. Everyone was on fire – Axl hitting all his vocals and both lead guitarists shredding every note! One of the night’s highlights was a flawless performance of ‘Oh My God’ – something that hadn’t been pulled off in the band’s previous three gigs. Often during the show Axl would run off to the side of the stage when he wasn’t singing – he was really enjoying watching the band nail every song! At 11:54 p.m. – 6 minutes before the new year – Earl [Axl’s bodyguard] notified Axl that it was close to midnight – the band then launched into an amazing version of ‘Madagascar.’ The song finished exactly at midnight at which point the stage screens showed the Vegas strip live. Confetti was then shot off into the crowd for a few minutes and Axl started to play piano, which eventually led into ‘November Rain.’ During Buckethead’s guitar solo, he played parts of the ‘Star Wars Theme,’ a little of ‘Somewhere Over The Rainbow’ and also a little of Van Halen’s ‘Eruption.’ After the solo, Axl came onstage and joked, “I think Darth is in the house tonight!” After ‘My Michelle,’ Axl thanked the crowd for coming. Again he mentioned that these Vegas shows were the first gigs he wanted to play in a very long time. At this point a fan in the crowd – you know who you are Mark Roulley – threw a handmade towel onto the stage that said “Celebrity Deathmatch was fixed!” Axl got a huge laugh out of this, as did Tommy. At the end of ‘Paradise City,’ Axl screamed, “TWO-THOUSAND-FUCKIN’-TWO! LAS VEGAS, NEVADA, GOOD… FUCKIN’… NIGHT!!!”

(via gnrontour.com)

2 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

So there's 3 possibilities:

-Fernando is flebeis on Reddit

-Random person is flebeis on Reddit with no association to Fernando

-Walker or one of the crazies is flebeis and is impersonating Fernando with Fernando's permission

Why do I have a feeling the last option is most likely

the funny or sad thing (depending on from your point of view) is, that if the last option is most likely, it still doesn't make much difference. being permanently abused by mentally ill "so-called fans" or "so-called management" doesn't make a huge difference in the end.

31 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I just want to say thank you for always being amazing at keeping track of all of this shit. 

It would be very easy for the narrative to get twisted if it weren't for people like you. 

just trying to clear out all the layers of BS which are coming every day from every direction  + I've been mislead and shat upon by those persons and my close friends have been attacked and harmed by them, sometimes even in a very serious and disgusting personal way - so I'm just doing what I consider right and doing so that those persons eventually get what they fully deserve.

6 hours ago, username05 said:

Is there a pattern. Is there someone s videos that are not being taken down. The truth might be far simpler - that someone is just taking down competition. Ie more clicks on their channel. 

Gnr central and evolution have a good thing going.. And from what I see they don't have any copyright issues. Its amazing that htgth has cliffed since I last checked, and I don't see how these sites prospered from its and cd.com declines

no, it's just general thing. yes, there are some people particularly targeted because the people who do the takedowns hate them cuz they shared like crazy, but that's about it - anything GNR and GNR related besides the official GNR channel is targeted for takedown.

1 hour ago, PatrickS77 said:

Seriously, why would a leak delay a release?? If anything, it would hurry up a release.

in a normal world, indeed yes.

2 minutes ago, nycgunner said:

YouTube isn’t a problem for this band...unfortunately 

youtube and leaks are just a good excuse for this band to not do anything at all, blaming everyone else, just not their laziness and inability to get anything done.

Just now, Crowebar said:

Axl should fire the guy if it's really him. I sure as hell would. Like wtf?? Dude announces a new gnr anything on reddit ffs? 😂 One would like to believe and think it'd be Axl/GnR doing that on their official web page no? "This whole thing is fucked up..." 

this happens when you let some random incompetent, but arrogant and sometimes even flat out hostile bunch of people "manage" a multimillion music act. I know no other "management" which managed to perfectly disconnect and alienate the band from its fanbase.

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

The leaks have been far more interested than the tedious tour.

absolutely! not even a trace of doubt about it

21 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I'm sure there will be a lot of complaining if it includes any or a few of the recent leak, reworked by the current band. Like, "We have heard this, we want something we haven't heard."

in all fairness, "teh biggestest band in da world bak togetha" might actually deliver something genuine and not tracks made over 20 years ago by people who have nothing to do with the band anymore.

I also wonder what's with the Old Josh Drums tracks (from the New Brain Drums disc) as compared to the 2000 Rough Mixes. older? newer? same drum track? different drum track? just randomly checked ChiDem in Audacity and they sure seem very similar, but not even near identical.

13 minutes ago, jekylhyde said:

 

"Hey, I've seen this before! This is the episode where the Manager thinks he can squeeze an album out of Axl Rose within a limited amount of tuesdays. This one's a classic!"

"Manager"

10 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Don't forget Reddit is home of the (might be Fernando) account flebeis, who has threatened retribution for the leaks. 

typical GNR world. let some demos rot in locker for 20 years and when fans would like to enjoy it, they threaten them instead of releasing them so fans could buy it.

disgusting.

you missed some erratic epizodes when Buckethead left for some time, for example already in 2000 and 2001

17 minutes ago, walter22 said:

Great post

Sorry for my pitiful english

Roy Thomas Baker and Bob Ezrin worked both at the same time?

yes. and based on Sean Beavan interview, he actually was still there for some time and worked together with RTB - which contradicts what Chinese Whispers say, but I can't find the exact quotes at the moment

11 minutes ago, username05 said:

What's all this thread about. From what I understand, theres a vigilante leak reporter/plumber on the loose?

about two psychopathic losers who masturbate over taking down videos which fans enjoy and in many cases dedicated years of their work to create and improve.

fuck them.

22 minutes ago, BucketFinckFortus said:

The Chairman >>> Santa Claus

Any best on what will we get later? Rough Mixes #2, #4 or Quick Song?

my bet is #4, then QS, then #2. but who knows.

1 minute ago, FRANSAD said:

Nope on a different mission this time

I have a huge friend in Charlotte, I'm sure you know him too. maybe he'd appreciate a nice "hello" from us!

2 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yes. The band was moved to Village Studios after Bob Ezrin's suggestion. Before that they worked at Rumbo Studios with Sean Beavan (and probably R.T.B. earliest sessions) and what the Rolling Stone journalist, Brian May etc. was from the Rumbo sessions. A lot of stuff was recorded and mixed there, surely. And it seems that only some of the stuff in the Village CDs are from the earlier sessions.

yes. and it's also highly possible that the stuff was actually mixed up from various sessions. for example, some drum tracks might be newer or older than guitar tracks, vocals might be old while bass new, etc. (just giving random examples without referencing any real case). some songs might be frankensteined even more - glued up from pieces from various sessions just like the final 2008 album. 

Just now, username said:

So technically some of these Village sessions takes were partially already recorded at Rumbo? 

I think so, yes. for example, we know Josh Freese left in circa mid-March 2000, "after he finished laying the drum tracks". those probably make big part of these songs, even of the 2001 discs - they are heavily re-included for comparison reasons with Brain's newer ones.

3 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

It could also be that the locker contained more CDs than we know, and that someone, likely the first purchaser, has decided to not tell anyone about these extra CDs, yet.

might be true, of course. 

we also have no idea what the dates of the files indicate. recording date? mixing date? all we know is that the discs were "made" (burned or so) on 8th November 2000, which is also the newest date in the tracklists. 

21 hours ago, Blackstar said:

There are also songs with the note "Ver. 1" although there aren't other versions on the CDs.

My theory is that these 19 CDs are only a part of the Village sessions and there was more stuff recorded and mixed there at that time. It just happened that only these CDs were kept ror forgotten in that storage locker.

I think you are exactly on point here. the problem is, we can't really say what "Ver. 1" here means.

because - see the timeline. I flat out refuse to believe that the first version of Chinese Democracy was only made in November 2000 - that's just plain nonsense.

(for reference, files ordered by date:)

4. "OKLAHAOMA" 3/23/00 (10) 4:12
1. "ME & MY ELVIS" 3/23/00 {#10} 5:40
3. "D TUNE" 3/23/00 {11} 5:16
4. "CURLY SHUFFLE" 3/23/00 {15} 3:43

5. "QUICKSONG" 3/27/00 (10) 4:00
3. "STATE of GRACE" 3/27/00 (12) 4:00
4. "PERHAPS" 3/27/00 {19} 3:56
6. "I.R.S." 3/27/00 (21) 4:14
5. "PROSTITUTE" 3/27/00 {23} 6:10
3. "ATLAS SHRUGGED" 3/27/00 {25} 4:12
7. "CATCHER" 3/27/00 {30} 5:35

7. "TONTO" 7/14/00 BLK/FRG dat (#3) 3:54

9. "SHANKLERS REVENGE" 9/14/00 cd (#1) 3:26
8. "REAL DOLL.com" 9/14/00 B. Head cd (#2) 4:04

2. "DUB SUPLEX" 10/05/00 BLK/FRG dat (#5) 3:02
5. "DEVIOUS BASTARD" 10/05/00 (#6) 3:26
8. "DUMMY" 10/05/00 (#8) 6:24

2. "T.W.A.T." 10/12/00 {#10} 5:10

1. "BILLIONARE" 10/15/00 BLK/FRG dat (#2) 1:31

9. "The BLUES" 10/23/00 {#6} 4:44

10. "I'm SORRY" 10/26/00 B. Head cd (#1) 6:00

1. "MADAGASCAR" 11/05/00 {Drum Adds} 5:37
8. "CHINESE DEMOCRACY" 11/05/00 {Ver.1} 3:12

6. "AS IT BEGAN" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 3:51
2. "CIRCUS MAXIMUS" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 4:30
2. "EYE ON YOU" 11/07/00 (VER.1) 3:36
3. "IF THE WORLD" 11/07/00 (VER.1) 5:05
4. "MUSTACHE" 11/07/00 (VER.1) 4:10
10. "SILKWORMS" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 3:33
6. "RHIAD" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 3:33

1. "P.R.L." 11/08/00 w/out THYME (no gtrs.) 3:54
5. "NOTHING" 11/08/00 {Ver.1} 3:50
7. "THYME" 11/08/00 {P.R.L.} 1:55
7. "HARDSCHOOL" 11/08/00 (12) NU AX 3:58
6. "ZODIAC 13" (no vox) 11/08/00 (VER.4) 4:38

2 minutes ago, paulor666 said:

It's my favourite GNR song so I hope they do it :-) 

it's also my favourite GNR song so I hope they won't do it