lost un the jungle

The thing about Josh claiming to creat the music on CD song is pretty recent, right? I always had in mind this was a Tommy song.

The General

Best Axl of the last 4 years

Setlist rotation

Fernando cought being a harasser

4 hours ago, RONIN said:

I don't think The General either helps or hurts their reputation. None of the new songs have that power although Absurd probably should have stayed unreleased. Until they release something on par with November Rain, no one will care either way - the world moved on back in '93.

As far as damage to their rep, I look at it more like a legendary movie franchise getting a sequel many many years later - years after people have built up the reputation of this franchise into a legendary and mythic entity. And usually in those cases, it's near impossible to live up to that legacy. GnR coming back over the last 7 yrs is like getting the Terminator sequels or the Star Wars prequels/sequels instead of Rambo 4 or Top Gun Maverick. A really mixed bag with some positives and enough negatives where it starts to affect your memories/feelings towards the band (imho). A lot of that is a function of just how high they flew and the heights they scaled. In the case of GnR, they would have had to pull of the competence and professionalism of Metallica along with capturing the incredible songwriting and reckless spirit of their early years which was just not going to happen. I will give them credit for the 3.5 hour shows and Axl giving it everything he had night after night on tour for 7 years - that was an upgrade from the old Axl who lacked consistency and the grit to tough it out in bad circumstances. Some of those songs can be dropped from the setlist though - an all killer no filler setlist would likely go down better than the extended setlist, but I understand why they're playing longer given their past history.

Also for a song to ruin their reputation, they'd need to be relevant which they are not (which legacy band is - even Metallica is borderline at this point). Things that actually continue to hurt their reputation are what Soulmonster alluded to earlier, his voice and reputation - seems like some people never got over Axl's 90's behavior and will not give him another chance. The recent rape accusation won't help either in a post- #metoo world. As he said, Rose is a love/hate type of character similar in some ways to Michael Jackson. The legacy is complicated for the public - and whether you like him or not will dictate how open you are to the music.

Come on man! Do you like the song or not? As we all here want a new record, the sad true is that nobody would give a freakin dime about it, GNR is a classic band and everybody just want WTTJ or SCOM. Metallica is a band I have a huge respect, but they can't drop Enter Sandman or Master of Puppets from the set, even having a catalog x10 compared to GNR. 

On 12/15/2023 at 4:03 AM, AxlRQ93 said:

seems like there’s almost universal backlash, has it harmed their reputation you think? Could it harm sales for a future single? Havent seen this backlash to a song of theirs b4 

No! wether you like it or not is not a shame song. It is not a classic GNR song but a fuckin' good tune IMO

I like long shows. When you are there and you really like the band, you want them to play forever!

I hate this fucker!!! the mic tossing thing was a trademark from GNR shows and now we can't have it anymore because of a SOB

2 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

I think I spoke about it in another thread some time ago. I've been invited to the backstage for professional reasons in the new GNR era, and I saw him acting like he owned the band members. Me and my wife were talking to Ashba, Bumble and maybe Jarmo (he was there, but I can't remember if he was in that specific situation), and he interrupted our conversation like we were nothing to grab DJ by his hand because he wanted to introduce him to some people from his family. Keep in mind, I was trying to speak to them for an interview, I wasn't just a fan (which, of course, wouldn't be an excuse). He did something similar to Bumble when we were talking to Caram Constanzo, which made me think if he had something against me in particular because it seemed like he was trying to block access. Bumble said he was sorry about it several times to me. 

Although I believe he also did this with other people, and made sure to be the loudest person in that situation. Overall, he was very unpleasant all the time, in my opinion. 

 

I remember watching a short clip of new gnr band coming out from a van (maybe going to the hotel or to the venue) and Fernando was YELLING to all of them like a sargent to marines in a movie. I thought "what an AH". I'm sure if he had more situations like this they will surface, he seemed to be very sloppy.

1 minute ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

This is what happens when you let a glorified house keeper and her family manage a multi-million dollar business. No accountability, no oversight, no organisational procedures or HR. No professionalism. Free ticket to abuse.

Totally agree. The worst part is that no band member that gives interviews will say shit about this case. They won't even be asked about the subject, becasue all this friendly interviews are scripted before

The period Kat mentions in the lawsuit is also coincident when she was with Richard? I didn't find Richard's name, but man, if so it was Fernando was hitting on a band member GF at the time, no ethics at all. Also the girl seemed to have a ton of shit during this period by the little guy.

For sure this shows are now the holy grail for new gnr era. We will always wonder why after that Axl went bananas and had the full hip hop look

On 12/30/2021 at 10:15 PM, Underhardy said:

Still waiting to see those ‘washboard’ abs. 

3 hours ago, Liva said:

 Axl went balls to the wall the first show

haha he must been so excited to try the new voice again!!!🤣

7 hours ago, rumandraisin said:

ITW, SOD and IRS were all recorded, vocally in 99. Apart from the ending of SOD. Better from 2002/2003

Yes, but they have new vocals on some parts after that period. Just listen, they sound different, with 06/07 voice

On 11/5/2023 at 1:09 AM, JAxlMorrison said:

Anyone have an idea why that was the case, in a year that was initially meant to promote the release of the album? 

I recall in '06 Axl saying that "this fall" the album will be released. I think it was supposed to do these gigs and then drop the album, but we know what happened. Also he added new vocals during this period to complete the album, you can clearly notice in CD where he sings clean (99-01 vocals, i.e Rihad, catcher, twat, postitute, etc)) and the ones with rasp (06-07 vocals i.e. some parts of if the world, SOD, IRS, Better, etc).

To me there is an atmosphere of an end. Axl thanked during last show to the crew for the last 7 years. Slash I heard also did the same on social media. I don't know if there is a contract end or what, but this doesn't feel like a normal tour end, just seems something else is in the air...

12 hours ago, colonizedmind said:

What is it about this year...did Axl get some work done? As he just seems to have a look and been channelling a lot more of the 90s Axl aura and confidence that I thought had gone....he's soo relaxed and loving life, happy to play and be silly....

Shit actually,.if THIS was 91, 3 frames later he would of been mid air dive

"MR security...."

remember he was in Colombia I think early this year, usually the go abroad to have sem cells and other treatments. He not only looks better, he moves more fluid too. He also lost some pounds and seems he was working out too

Man, this song is growing on me!!! Regarding the live version, maybe at the beggining he should change Mickey for his lower voice. Indeed in the leak is sung this way. He puts eeeeverything he had on the chorus, I think it was great.

6 minutes ago, GNR4Ever2024 said:

Damn Axl lost a lot of weight on this tour.

yes, he looks at least 15/20 pounds less

Great performance of The General!! I love the bass sound, so thick and powerful

2 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

I dont think we'll see her in the lineup moving forward (hopefully we do, i really like her backing vocals and vibe). Word on the street another member is gone after this leg as well.

Is Axl going to be fired??? I wonder if Fernando will take the spot himself

The General vocals definetly sound like from 2000/2001 period, similar to Riad & The bedouins, etc, no rasp and clean. It is a very good song, really heavy lyrics.

6 hours ago, colonizedmind said:

Album version though? Or earlier?

Ii have a couple early versions, but album version is great to me, guitars are at another level

3 minutes ago, Cosmo said:

I know most will disagree and some will want to kill me for this but, IMO, TWAT is the greatest GnR composition ever. SCOM and Estranged do come really close second, though.

Don't be affraid man! it's a masterpiece

Listened to both songs 1 time. Not impressed the first time, but let me see if they grow on me. Definetly very industrial, kind of Oh My God. The band is getting to the end of the tour, I don't see them playing these song live IMO.