Bruno P.

Could you honestly say that this wasn't played by Yngwie if someone played you only the audio? I wouldn't certainly.

I don't know, Yngwie has a very distinct sound, the tone, the vibrato, the feel, and a good chunk of it was missing in the way they did it. They were quoting it pretty rigidly, like he did with Estranged.

Man, Ron does those runs just like Yngwie. The phrasing, dynamics, legato, alternate picking. If you showed some one the sound of this video, I could see how someone would think Yngwie himself was doing those runs.

Ron can play what ever he wants. He is not held back by technique. Thus giving him this scary range of what he wants to play, just like Guthrie. Simply brilliant.

godlymoose 2 years ago

I'm not the only one to think this way. I'm not saying you are wrong or whatsoever, but he sounds pretty much like Yngwie to me - not talking about Ben's guitar, but Ron's...

That's the best version of the song to date. At least to me. A good mix can do wonders to a song, right? (I'm pointing at you RIR mixing guy)

There's nothing wrong with it. The song, Axl, DJ, Frank... nothing. And Ronald, man... the guys' a fuckin' genius. The tone, the playing... he nailed every note, every bend... everything.

Ron just fuckin' nails it! Never thought I would hear a guitar player play it better than the creator.

I wouldn't go that far (especially regarding the solo) but he plays it well.

You make it sound like if Slash's Mozart or Beethoven. What's wrong with the solo? Nothing. He's playing it how he wants to play it and much better than the other guy played it.

I'm not talking directly at you, but...

Seriously... what's wrong with half of this forum? PLEASE. Slash is a decent guitar player and every virtuoso could play exactly like him if they wanted. I mean, better than him because they wouldn't hit wrong notes and out of tune bends and all. Stop with the "He can't play like Slash" shit. It's getting old. And it's a pretty known fact that Slash ain't even on the same world as Ron (or Bucket for that matter) technically. Stop acting like that since some of you would be a laughing stock outside of these forums. Stop the clueless and retarded comments regarding Slash's ability to play a song like anybody else could.

Ron doesn't like this "Guitarist A vs Guitarist B" thing but some of you simply can't actually accept the reality as it is. It's unreal, it's retarded.

I know you mentioned this wasn't neccesarily directed at me, but I honestly really do prefer the way Slash plays it. Just like how someone can prefer BBF, I can prefer somebody else. My post wasn't intended to be a slight on Ron's end, but it was me being true to myself and honest about what I have preferred musically thus far. Nothing's wrong with the solo, I just perfer the way that Slash played it, that's all.

You never said that Ron wouldn't be able to play it, you just stated that you prefer Slash's way to play it. Nothing wrong with that, really. The real problem is that some people claim how Slash's stuff can't be played by someone else. It wasn't directed at you by a long shot and even the first line of my post wasn't directed exactly at you. My bad.

Have you guys heard Govan play "Who's best?". He plays every note of the piece of music he wrote just like any virtuoso out there (and hits all of them perfectly) and that's the pinnacle of skill and even taste since he created an amazing piece of music incorporating those guys' style. It's amazing to think how a guy like Govan (who's mastered every aspect of guitar playing if you ask me) would say that Ron's hands down the best guitarist out there. So trust me, Ron would hit every note how Slash used to hit. He simply doesn't want.

Since moreblack mentioned Yngwie I'm gonna post a piece of music much harder than anything Slash has ever played. This is a "Far Beyond The Sun" jam. Ron took a lil break of the clinic to play a part of that song...

Could you honestly say that this wasn't played by Yngwie if someone played you only the audio? I wouldn't certainly.

Oh, and here's Govan's vid if you want to check it out...

You make it sound like if Slash's Mozart or Beethoven. What's wrong with the solo? Nothing. He's playing it how he wants to play it and much better than the other guy played it.

I'm not talking directly at you, but...

Seriously... what's wrong with half of this forum? PLEASE. Slash is a decent guitar player and every virtuoso could play exactly like him if they wanted. I mean, better than him because they wouldn't hit wrong notes and out of tune bends and all. Stop with the "He can't play like Slash" shit. It's getting old. And it's a pretty known fact that Slash ain't even on the same world as Ron (or Bucket for that matter) technically. Stop acting like that since some of you would be a laughing stock outside of these forums. Stop the clueless and retarded comments regarding Slash's ability to play a song like anybody else could.

Ron doesn't like this "Guitarist A vs Guitarist B" thing but some of you simply can't actually accept the reality as it is. It's unreal, it's retarded.

It's like when Dave Lee Roth went solo and got Steve Vai in his band, or Ozzy getting Randy Rhoads after leaving Sabbath, Sammy Hagar working with Satch in Chickenfoot after VH, you have to get a virtuoso to fill the shoes of an established rock mainstay. And then we have the shred fans that come with it, if Robert Plant made an album with Yngwie Malmsteen, somebody somewhere would be talking up what a hack Jimmy Page is...

I mean, it's neat to see guys like Ron wail on Riff Raff and Rosie, but at the end of the day he is covering their stuff, and Bucket's.

I don't think it's much of a cover when you play your own parts, but whatever... he plays Bucket's and Slash's parts as well as his own. He's a part of the Chinese Democracy album, so he won't be covering anyone for that. Can you say that Bucket would be covering Ron if he gets to play Riad or even Shackler's? Using this logic, yes, he would.

I certainly wouldn't call Jimmy a hack, like I wouldn't call Slash a hack. But I'm sure Yngwie would be able to play everything he wanted to play with Robert Plant the way the wanted to play. People would say that he can't play like Jimmy. It wouldn't be true by any means.

I notice bumble likes putting on hats in the middle of songs. I'm gonna toss up a dolphin hat. ; )

Haha, do it! Get it to the front row and give it to him. He'll certainly love to play Estranged wearing it...

Yeah I just dunno if he's gonna go for it:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! He'd go for it, I'm sure. He loves to have fun and he'll have much fun with that... thing!

When will you attend a show? Seriously... get that hat (is that a hat?) with you to the show! I'd do it but I'm not attending any show

I notice bumble likes putting on hats in the middle of songs. I'm gonna toss up a dolphin hat. ; )

Haha, do it! Get it to the front row and give it to him. He'll certainly love to play Estranged wearing it...

That's the best version of the song to date. At least to me. A good mix can do wonders to a song, right? (I'm pointing at you RIR mixing guy)

There's nothing wrong with it. The song, Axl, DJ, Frank... nothing. And Ronald, man... the guys' a fuckin' genius. The tone, the playing... he nailed every note, every bend... everything.

Ron just fuckin' nails it! Never thought I would hear a guitar player play it better than the creator.

I wouldn't go that far (especially regarding the solo) but he plays it well.

You make it sound like if Slash's Mozart or Beethoven. What's wrong with the solo? Nothing. He's playing it how he wants to play it and much better than the other guy played it.

I'm not talking directly at you, but...

Seriously... what's wrong with half of this forum? PLEASE. Slash is a decent guitar player and every virtuoso could play exactly like him if they wanted. I mean, better than him because they wouldn't hit wrong notes and out of tune bends and all. Stop with the "He can't play like Slash" shit. It's getting old. And it's a pretty known fact that Slash ain't even on the same world as Ron (or Bucket for that matter) technically. Stop acting like that since some of you would be a laughing stock outside of these forums. Stop the clueless and retarded comments regarding Slash's ability to play a song like anybody else could.

Ron doesn't like this "Guitarist A vs Guitarist B" thing but some of you simply can't actually accept the reality as it is. It's unreal, it's retarded.

That's the best version of the song to date. At least to me. A good mix can do wonders to a song, right? (I'm pointing at you RIR mixing guy)

There's nothing wrong with it. The song, Axl, DJ, Frank... nothing. And Ronald, man... the guys' a fuckin' genius. The tone, the playing... he nailed every note, every bend... everything.

Ron just fuckin' nails it! Never thought I would hear a guitar player play it better than the creator.

It happens... eventually. Like on this very own version

That's the best version of the song to date. At least to me. A good mix can do wonders to a song, right? (I'm pointing at you RIR mixing guy)

There's nothing wrong with it. The song, Axl, DJ, Frank... nothing. And Ronald, man... the guys' a fuckin' genius. The tone, the playing... he nailed every note, every bend... everything.

Wow, thanks! Gonna watch this now

Because Ron joined the band too late to be on the album and even then the album was postponed - not saying he was the reason, but it happened - so he (and Frank) added their contributions. Ron played on every track and was a major part of the album, even being credited with "additional arrangements" on Shackler's and Catcher if I'm not wrong. Richard, on the other hand, played rhythm and not on every song - and he joined the band four years before Ron! As for Ashba, we are not sure. We know he likes to talk (more than he should actually), but nothing proves that he's writing songs with Axl. He could be writing songs and giving them to Axl - hopefully Axl will ignore his generic riffs and licks, though.

Live

Bumblefoot

Rich

DJ

Studio

Bumblefoot

DJ

Rich

I (I'm talking about us all, actually) don't know how they work in the studio but since DJ is like a fkn' bitch telling everyone how he works on new GNR music everyday - which obviously is not true - I bet he'd be at least the 2nd most important guy in the studio. We know for a fact that Ron worked on a lot of the old Chinese songs, so the next album would have Ron all over it again. I hope so. I certainly wouldn't want to hear DJ all over the album and Bucket/Robin erased from it - certainly won't happen, but since DJ is like Axl's new bitch, new toy, I simply dunno.

1. Richard

2. Dj

3. Bumblefoot

To me Bumblefootneeds to stop showing off and actually play his solos correctly. "I have a double guitar", "I have a guitar with no frets" No one cares, just stop f*cking up your solos!

If you don't know the difference between the sound of a fretless and a fretted guitar or the importance about having two necks in that double guitar, you cannot talk about fucking up solos.

He doesn't even know what he's talking about.

I seriously doubt he uses it. His voice merely cracked up and went off pitch.

Obviously!

Listen to how his voice sounded "different" at exactly 1:34. I guess some of you would be saying that this performance doesn't sound natural as well, right? His voice obviously cracked. And that's certainly what happened here.

Bumblefoot = overtly flashy and technical

Harry Georgeson = Not

Your point?

This sounds as beautiful and amazing as it can get - even if it's (at parts) technical. To me these guys sound like if they are from the same universe as Harrison.

Whatever... those fanboys are the same that think that Slash wrote Sweet Child. I bet when they were watching Bumblefoot nailing every note of the song with a fkn' amazing tone they were like "man... that dude sure can play! He's doing as good as... wait, there's the solo... wow, he played it much better than we've ever heard... fuck that, he will never replace Slash". The obvious fact is out there... some people chose not to admit, but they don't matter anyway. Here's for those (the same guys? I think so) that said "Fuck you Ron for saing fuck Estranged" when Ron made those jokes about Estranged...

‎#FUCKESTRANGED ! ! Nahhh, just kidding. SO happy to play that song for you all (while pretending I hated it for the last few months, haha!)

In your faces. Thank you for being assholes and looking very stupid right now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rockinrio/page1/

This is where all the other set-list have been posted so far, and it's not on there yet.

Dude the setlist appears first @ G1 website and then on the fickr account. Evanescence's set is up already. It's the real deal but apparently the songs after Paradise are options...

I guess who's saying "oh, he ain't funny" wasn't on the chat. I don't fkn' care, it was not meant to be funny to you. It was meant to be funny to me, Gunsguy and whoever was chatting. He played Estranged even on the fretless and acoustic with a kazoo. If any of you actually were on the chat asking for a song or two he'd do it. But you like to blame someone for something that you don't even know about. That's MyGnR-like, yes.

I said countless times "GNR sucks, dont play their songs" and things like "This chat ain't about BBF, it's about Poc. Get lost, Ron". What did he do? Laugh at me and made jokes about it. He said that Gunsguy was his whole life. Was he serious? He said the chat was all about me. Was he serious? I don't think you know the meaning of the word joke, but someone google'd it and posted it for ya's. Seriously... some assholes won't ever change. That's why people actually don't like them - they basically ask for it. Next time you all should chat with him. But don't go on a POC STREAMING (like *this one* you clueless assholes are talking about) asking him to play GNR songs or asking about Silkworms or Soul Monster, unless he and Poc want to do it.

Love it or hate it, it ain't your standart... chicken dinner! I love it

Buckethead is an immensely talented guitarist but the only place he is a star is with his fans and people who read Guitar magazines. Lets face it if he had not come up with the Buckethead gimmick to draw attention to himself he would just be another faceless talented guitar player ina sea of faceless talented guitar players.............

Shawn Lane was known to most players yet most of the mainstream didn't know him. Who cares? He's still inspiration to many and many guitarists alive and much more to come. He's a star to those that really matter, to those that don't follow the mainstream msuic and the likes of Justin Bieber and Jonas Brothers.

you start to get bitter since everyone is kicking ur butt on this board

whose kicking my butt?

Everyone. Even... you know... a shredder... talentless wanker... guess who?

The part DJ plays in the band is that he fills the hole of the "completely necessary" third guitar player in the band.

"I had no idea I was on Axl's radar. He told me, 'I've been following your career for 10 years."

The reality is, whether you like it or not, Dj Ashba is 2010’s Buckethead (in terms of importance to Axl). Bumblefoot and Fortus are the secondary and tertiary guitarists respectively.

No, this is not reality, this is an assumption. Just like someone said, Axl probably is following a lot of musicians. "Following" someone's career doesn't necessarily mean anything. If Ashba was the real deal, why, in 2004, Axl wanted Bucket, and then Ron, and then Bucket and finally Ron again on board instead of the "completely necessary" guitar player? He even asked Satch who he'd recommend to be in the band and that wouldn't happen by any means if Ashba was the real deal. That just doesn't feel right - by any means. Instead he's got Paul Huge, Robin Finck, Richard Fortus, Buckethead and Ron on the past 10 plus years.

Regarding this thread, well, I doubt about Axl's ability to pick the right guy for sure. He was following Ashba, right, but why not Ron's pal Guthrie Govan? *HE* and Ron are the real deal. Why wasn't Axl following Buckethead's idol Shawn Lane (Rest in Peace, Shawn)? Or Mattias Eklundh?

"It's all Axl's fault! Oh noes, he sux!!!111"

"I'd come back, but that's up to Axl"

"Beta, let me tell ya that Duff is spineless, Scott is a fraud, me hates Mattz Sorum and that Ax won the war and has proven himself teh stronger!!!1111"

Yeah, right. I'd call that a win if that's what you stupid fanboys would think of the altered reality.

While the rythm guitar and the chorus are pretty cool, I was disappointed with the solo. It ( literally ) sounds like cats meowing...

But that's exactly the purpose, haha - his fretless playing is getting even scarier now. I love the cats meowing throughout the song

Solid track nonetheless. Would love to hear Axl sing on stuff like that.

That's what I thought when I heard Mark singing.

Because it's not your standart... Chicken Dinner.

This is the way he is, like it or not. He's been doing that with his fans for longer than you can imagine. I got lots of feelings yesterday - he played SEVERAL songs seriously, I mean... every note he played was meant to sound musical. If you don't like it, ok, but he's not the kind of guy looking at the TV, doing ridiculous faces while doing bends based on the pentatonic scale. If that's how you get the feel, I'm sorry, but you won't get BBF's music never. If you don't have room for humor in your music, well, that's you - some of the very best mixed humor with musicality to make timeless music (Zappa anyone?). His friend Mattias is also an amazing musician, one of the best guitarists of the new generation yet there's lots of humor in his music. Have you seen Ron and Govan playing together? They're always laughing, having fun and yet they are more musical than anyone out there doing "emotion" faces while bending out of tune and playing on the wrong key.

There's a big difference in criticizing someone and being an asshole, stalking band members and such. I think you know that already, but you want to bitch once again about it.

I think GNR fans are great, and you shouldn't despise them because I doubt much would know Bumblefoot without GNR. It's only fair that GNR fans asked for GNR songs isn't it?

Asking for something isn't the same as being so much ridiculous as some fans were yesterday. They were very very boring and faaaaaaar away from great. Just like BBA n' most of the haters are.

To be honest I'm glad that we don't see more from Axl because I'd hate him to do that, I don't see the point of playing the way he did because it's a "comical" way of playing, there's no soul in this. And thank god that Bumble doesn't play the This I Love solo, I just couldn't take this song seriously if I pictured the Bumblefoot we saw yesterday.

That's not comical, you didn't really get it. He had a guitar plugged in an amp and played some requests for fans and that's it. He isn't the kind of guy playing the lead or rhythm only, he plays the whole melody put together, just like he did with Don't Cry. He played the This I Love solo (Just like the SOD solo...) mixed with the rhythm behind it.

Oneway, he also played Eruption *backwards*, Flight of the Bumblebee, some RHCP, TV and movie themes, etc etc.

Not even on here did think I'd find the level of cuntary to actually argue that GNR are better than the beatles!

Your argument? Because GNR could play the beatles songs easily.... FFS.

There are several arguments here:

1. Would the beatles even wanna play GNR songs? Probably not, but I bet the opposite is true.

2. The Beatles songs we so good they didn't need 3 guitarists or shredding

3. Listen to the last 3/4 years and tell me there's nothing going on musically in the beatles.

4. Complexity does not equal good

5. Playing fast does not equal skill ful

6. Songwriting is the most important skill in being a great band

7. The Beatles changed the world

8. They released albums

9. They touched millions of people in every corner of the world and STILL do

10. The members were successful after the original band broke up

11. Generation after generation get as obsessed with them as the last

12. Their creativity is up there with anyone, and they evolved more than almost anyone...

I could go on all night.

And to the retard that said the beatles are boring, you wanna wait until your tiny balls have dropped before saying such stupid fucking things.

And what you just said means nothing. You know, there's a side of our brain that tell us what's good and what's not. That's the subjective side of music, and that's what really matter. So, to me and many others Beatles are sometimes boring. Sometimes, not always... they released some great stuff.

In fact I'm gonna stick the white album on. You've made me like Chinese Democracy a little bit less just from your ignorance.

And guess what? You probably have made him (and maybe other people) like Beatles (and the White Album) a little bit less because you are an arrogant bastart. Who are you to tell people what to like? Who are you to define what's good for someone?