Bruno P.

Ya, greatness!

Mods, I guess you wouldn't be cool with people talking about your personal emails, about your personal laptop's documents, talking about your *personal* life in general. Talking about this kind of stuff isn't cool, isn't cool at all. Axl and the GNR camp made the right and obvious move - cut the shit before it's too late. The MSL thread shouldn't be allowed since the band does *NOT* want that kind of stuff being discussed. People were discussing *STOLEN* emails and documents here and I believe that they could do some legal moves to stop those threads - even if you refused to delete it.

I hope that this will shut people saying that GN'R has control over this board. If they did, why would they use a lawyer letter?

So it's confirmed......this place is officially HTGTH2 and that it's controlled and operated by GNR. How fucking pathetic. This "excuse" is just that...and excuse. There were no grounds for a lawsuit and if one were really threatened, those who run this place would have known that and laughed in their face.

What really happened is GNR wanted Ron's thread pulled...told them to do it, and like good little bitches, they said "yes, my lord" and complied. I never thought this place ran like that. Sure, some people said it was, but I reserved judgment. Now I know.

Peace out. I'm not posting in HTGTH. I'm out like MyGnr's integrity.

You see how pathetic is that post? These guys refuse to understand your posts and take everything out of context. They aren't real fans, they're cupcakes, assholes spreading rumors and backstabbing the band whenever they can. And YOU ALL allow that. That's why real GNR fans (and possibly the GNR camp) aren't happy with these threads being discussed... because, just like Ron said, "they're trying to mindfuck the *real* GNR fans and make them lose faith in the band and bandmembers they've gotten to know over the years".

Does Buckethead post here? no. Ron is the man!

Posted here and basically said nothing, Bucket says nothing as well so don't make it like he did us a huge honor.

Ron never made it like he did us a huge honor - this is your inferiority complex as well as your stupid behavior telling you how you will look cool and important if you bash band members. Some of you assholes bashed him to death because he denied (and made some look really stupid) some of your false and ridiculous claims, showed how some of you are nothing more than fuckin' losers in real life pretending to be important spreading false rumors and lies. I can't believe how some people said that Ron came here to insult fans - everyone with at least ONE brain cell working knows that he attacked people insulting him, people spreading false rumors... because everyone knows that he's a fuckin' nice person to the fans. The fans that support the band, fans that support him, not the so called fans pretending to be important on the internet.

Why are these useless people still here? I don't know why cupcakes are still allowed to post. We've got plenty of losers here, plenty of haters with too loud voices bitching and attacking every band member whenever they can.

The funny thing is that, to you, Ron did us a huge honor when he posted here. To me and several other fans, he posted here to clarify some issues and then had a nice chat with us. He doesn't feel like he's better than us - he's always chatting and hanging out with fans outside of hotels n' venues, treating them like friends. So, to me, he came here as a friend to chat with other friends. Sucks to be you - and your cupcake friends.

Watch any live version of Soothsayer. All he really does for that once beautiful solo is repeat patterns live.

Oh my god, this is really laughable.... So the whole near nine minute song is just "repeating patterns" to you? I heard him use a similar lick about 3 times, and that was to build up the solo. That is your argument? Good lord, stop the press, this just in, a guitarist CANNOT use a similar lick more than once if he wants to be better than Bumble!!!

See, CDLove, The Glow Inc.? They don't know what they're talking about and yet they pretend they're right. Some of them don't even know how repetitive Bucket is, even though he's really creative... they even try to argue over a fact. Well, they try to argue over several facts. Young gun even thought that the reason that made Ron improvise most of Bucket's solo in 2006 was because he didn't have transcriptions. Really? The guy can transcribe his most insane pieace of music and yet can't transcribe Bucket's patterns. This is stupid, I don't even know why I'm here posting and everytime I post here discussing this whole subject I feel more idiot.

Regarding the "Bucket's solos were praised by everyone here" thing, let me be happy that GNR camp ain't that blind about this subject. They don't think that Bucket is the be all and end all of guitar playing because he left the band and act like if Ron's a unknown guy that does thimble licks and play a fretless instrument.

These guys' ignorance is encyclopedic, I'm fighting against a wall of ignorance and stupid arguments.

Funny fact: Ron couldn't play Bucket's solo note for note before because he wasn't technically as good; now that these cupcakes are proven wrong, he didn't play them note for note before because he didn't have Bucket's transcriptions what's next? Ron probably got hold of Slash's transcriptions and this is the reason that made him play some of the older solos note for note or at least closer to the original?

No, Govan is much (and by much I mean so fucking much) above Bucket's level.

Now look who's claiming their opinion as fact. The hypocrisy is amazing.

One area that Bucket wipes the floor comprehensively with Govan (in my opinion) is his effortless compositional ability. Now, Govan might have the same or higher potential, I don't know - until he actually creates more output, we can't know for sure. I wish he'd stop teaching and focus on recording for a few years, it's a fucking shame he won't do this.

No, there's no hypocrisy here. In fact you simply don't know what you're talking about. There's the subjective side of the music... then there's the objective. You may light Bucket's sound better, but Ron is a better guitarist and all around musician.

So, do you really think that Bucket is a better composer than Govan? Yeah, sure, because his recycled music and the same patterns being played over and over give him the lead. Erotic Cakes is probably a better album musically than any of Bucket's album. I said 'probably' because I haven't listened to all of Bucket's work, but a good part of it. Technically (and musically for that matter), though, Govan wipes the floor completely with Bucket. Ron, on the other hand, easily matches him musically - possibly even technically... and Govan is probably the best guitarist of his era.

Guitarists on Bucket's level include Chris Broderick of Megadeth and Guthrie Govan.

To the people who automatically say BBF(which is their opinion and thats cool) but then proceed to shit on Bucket. This is for you. Bumble's Riad solo was shit, there was a vote here and the majority liked Bucket's initial solo. Fact. Bucket's TWAT solo is one of the defining moments on Chidem, Fact. Bucket's solos on Sorry, If the World, TWAT etc were all praised, none of Ron's were. Ron's Shackler's solo sucked and recieved alot of backlash(elephant noises etc) Fact. Bumble can do acoustic sweeps? Big fucken deal, im sure Bucket has never done those before. Bumble uses a fretless so it automatically makes him a better guitarist? WOW, i should just learn "Happy birthday" on the fretless and that would make me better than Yngwie Mamlsteem. Someone said Ron knows more theory? Um how do you know this? Is it just because Bucket never says "ok this is a C minor arpeggio started at the fifth"??

Can you imagine if Ron was to do the TWAT solo, it would have been a disaster, all squeals, thimble harmonics, elephant noises and shredding wankery. I do think Ron is a really nice guy and a very very good guitarist. But Bucket is on a different level.

No, Govan is much (and by much I mean so fucking much) above Bucket's level. Just like Ronald. Funny when you say that BBF's own TWAT solo would have (here we have an important thing: you assume something that never happened to fit your useless post, a post solely based on your own ignorance toward's BBF's style, technique and playing) a lot of patterns thrown in, when Bucket's solo is nothing more than a collection of his own patterns put together in a solo. I listened to a lot of his solo work, and if you haven't heard the huge amount of patterns the guy played with GNR you don't know a thing about the man. Ron's Catcher in the Rye solo, on the other hand, sound much more diverse, there's no patterns in it and there's no thimble and shredding wankery neither!

The thing about fretless guitar (again, here you show all your ignorance on the subject) is about the tone and the fretting hand, since there's no frets and the fingers should be placed exactly where the frets would be. If Bucket's bending couldn't even be accurate on the NR outro solo, I can't imagine him being a very good fretless player. Ron's perfect ears (He's got a really impressive perfect pitch) and his immense accuracy and technique make him one of the best fretless players out there, so there you go.

Don't go out there claiming that your opinion is a fact - the only fact here is that you have shown us all your immense ignorance towards BBF.

You got to hand it to Slash. That intro will live on and on and on.. longer after you and I, and its creators.

You got to hand it to Rush (link below) and Axl - you know, without him Slash wouldn't ever play the thing again. And he wouldn't record the song. And the song wouldn't exist - the chorus, the vocals, the lyrics, etc., etc.

Bumblefoot is setting everything up in such a way he can quit the band and look like the hero for doing it.

Remember this when it happens.

Everything is part of his nice-guy act he plays very well and so many have fallen for.

Axl is gonna get fucked in the ass, more than Slash did, just watch.

Ironic thing is there were 2 guitarists Axl preferred more than Bumblefoot (besides Bucket) and they both refused to be part of it and considered to be leeches.

Bumble had no problem with it whatsoever.

He knew what he was getting into and he knew it would benefit him financially and career-wise in the end when he dropped the band in a 'I did nothing wrong, it is them'-way.

So him now complaining openly the last year about things he already knew from the start is part of the game of winning souls.

It is coming.

Axl's problem is that he cannot get sincere musicians anymore (last ones were Buckethead and Brain after a lot of persuasion, but they left), because a sincere musician would not want to be in this band for money or career reasons (which are the only reasons you would now join Guns).

And you can hear this definitely live, it sounds like a really professional, musically advanced, diverse session band Rihanna would hire in for a tour.

Not an authentic Rock and Roll band, but a band that tries really hard to sound and look like an authetntic Rock and Roll band.

The people close to the band for so long, that were there for sincere reasons, have almost all left, including me last year.

It has unfortunately become a jukebox nostalgia act with session musicians because Axl made the wrong decisions concerning band members.

He made the sincere ones leave and was left over with the leeches who are not yet done with him.

For the ones in love with this charade, do not worry, they won't quit, this will go on for years to come.

"In This Grave"

And you know what, sir? You know nothing. Nothing at all. You don't know Ron, you don't know his friends & you don't know his behavior. I, just like many and many musicians, fans, and friends could assure you that this is the way he is and has always been. You, on the other hand, come publicly telling us stories out of your ass. Quit wasting our time, you are not his friend and simply should shut the fuck up instead of talking about someone you don't know. You think you know something but you have no fuckin' idea... at all.

I wish people like this asshole (not that I'm insulting, but he's asking to be called this way because he claimed so much bullshit and simply can't be a fan trying to interact with other fans) would just shut the fuck up, but no, instead they always come here saying shit out loud and trying to be someone. This is pathetic, and if you think that the GNR musicians are this way, why are you still following them? Just ignore, leave. The world is full of great, amazing musicians that you could follow - including Buckethead. Just give up. Go away. Axl (Or Ron, Tommy, Chris, etc) doesn't need you and people like you. We (the fans) don't need you here.

Ron's helping people on a relief flood by selling his music to the "donators" - what are you doing? Trying to be a "know-it-all" and saying shit out loud on the internetz. Such a cupcake, such a tool, such a loser.

Bumblefoot doesnt care about GNR as family, the guy is very talented but only cares about GNR as a secure paycheck and fame gain by playing over the GNR name.

You should stop your ridiculous trolling like... right now.

I don't think so. He didn't use much of his raspy voice, which isn't exactly a bad thing actually. I liked how he sounded for the biggest part of the show, especially in November Rain and KOHD... a singer doesn't always need to sing like a duck to be considered a good singer. In fact, his range was even shorter and sometimes he couldn't even keep his tone back then, when he used to sing with his raspier voice.

Oh, and yeah, that was a great night! That's when I became a GNR fan. I was watching the show with my older sister, and she was an old GNR fan... so we were curious before and, after the show, surprised by how good they sounded.

Haha, great thread!

Used to want Robin back when he joined but I soon realised that it was just a matter of time before he would stop screwing up in the middle of the lead parts, unlike Robin.

Besides, DJ is an amazing entertainer. Very refreshing player. Not an incredible guitarist ( still very far from bad, listened to both Beautiful Creatures and his ASHBA album and he's got the chops ) but he's got that very positive energy and attitude and you can really tell that he loves being on that stage.

That's exactly what I think. I used to msis Robin on stage, but right now Ashba's much better live player/entertainer. I like his Better solo as well.

How can you possibly say that the most skilled songwriters are the ones who sell the most records?

That's not what I said. I said that having the ability to write something 10 million people want to hear, is probably the most important ability to have.

Only in your commercial-driven mind. I'd take Ian Gillan over 10 millions of Justin Biebers anyday, because he is a true musician. Popularity will never equal quality, and I'd rather hear quality songs instead of Rihannas and Justin Biebers. If you only want to write pop/commercial songs, sell a lot and live with fortune and shame, yeah, you are right. That's probably why Bon Jovi didn't get inducted to the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame today.

Did you say that Tommy almost quit the band this year? That didn't happen as far as I know. Is there some news I haven't heard of yet? Also, Axl is not bipolar, hence he won't have any attack.

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/news.php?newsid=15243

"Stinson was heard to shout" says who? The journalist's ass? And even if he said that... who said he almost left the band? No-fucking-one. This is a fucking gossip and no one should ever consider this as the fucking truth.

"Sputnikmusic witnessed Stinson in a heated argument with road manager Del James following the show, which saw the Los Angeles band take to the stage an hour and a half late before leaving after just four songs.

Frontman Axl Rose had threatened to leave when a plastic bottle was thrown on stage at the beginning of 'Welcome to the Jungle,' and stormed off stage when a second was thrown at the conclusion of 'Mr. Brownstone.'

Stinson was heard to shout: "That's my fucking family up there and he put us in danger again.

"He can't keep doing this. Nothing happened this time, but next time we might not be so lucky.

"This has to stop.""

If the journalist had written a positive article you would probably believe it. But since it scares you - you've decided it's fabricated.

Whatever.

Are you that naive or are you doing it for fun? There's a difference. WHO SAID HE'D LEAVE THE BAND? They obviously made up that story, they're trying to sell. Use your brain, dude. Use your brain.

Did you say that Tommy almost quit the band this year? That didn't happen as far as I know. Is there some news I haven't heard of yet? Also, Axl is not bipolar, hence he won't have any attack.

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/news.php?newsid=15243

"Stinson was heard to shout" says who? The journalist's ass? And even if he said that... who said he almost left the band? No-fucking-one. This is a fucking gossip and no one should ever consider this as the fucking truth.

Did you say that Tommy almost quit the band this year? That didn't happen as far as I know. Is there some news I haven't heard of yet? Also, Axl is not bipolar, hence he won't have any attack.

So a nobody comes here saying that Bumblefoot is this, that Axl wants to do that and all of sudden he's right. Yeah, great fans! You take a nobody's word against a band member as the truth and you obviously aren't a real fan since you tend to believe every negativity against the band. The ones that believe this are the ones that say 'Bumblefoot's lying, he can't say shit because of his signed contract' and 'Ashba's lying, he's a fucking liar'. Not worth the time spent trying to show how those members are - again - full of shit.

There's no such a thing to be greater in terms of magniture - it's simply bullshit. Nothin' else. I don't know why that guy's still around. He should be banned once for all. He ain't an insider, he's some other guy saying shit out loud. To quote Bumblefoot's Some Other Guy lyrics: For all that bad attention - for that I got no patience. Leave him alone.

If a suggestion so sinister is allowed to go unchallenged it will intensify and inevitably develop an unreasoned prejudice against “Bumblefoot”. Might even pick up some media attention seeing as the latter generally love to divulge in this sort of thing.

Stop pretending to be Thal's Lord Protector. Nobody buys it. There's point in portraying this harmonious image to keep Ron content. The reality is that there's been quite a radical claim made about him, therefore he should address it, otherwise it'll be allowed to linger as I said before. When you think about it, despite your soppy attempts, what I'm trying to put across is a lot more considerate of “Bumblefoot” and his position within GN'R than your suggestions to simply ignore ignore ignore.

Giving these fake insiders any sort of credit by having Bumblefoot address it is ridiculous. The person making this up has absolutely no credit and having anyone official address it would just perpetuate the issue, more and more people will decide they should start making crap up.

It's funny how some people think that a fake insider should have gotten Bumblefoot's or Axl's attention. This is really, really silly.

There's no such a thing to be greater in terms of magniture - it's simply bullshit. Nothin' else. I don't know why that guy's still around. He should be banned once for all. He ain't an insider, he's some other guy saying shit out loud. To quote Bumblefoot's Some Other Guy lyrics: For all that bad attention - for that I got no patience. Leave him alone.

If a suggestion so sinister is allowed to go unchallenged it will intensify and inevitably develop an unreasoned prejudice against “Bumblefoot”. Might even pick up some media attention seeing as the latter generally love to divulge in this sort of thing.

Stop pretending to be Thal's Lord Protector. Nobody buys it. There's point in portraying this harmonious image to keep Ron content. The reality is that there's been quite a radical claim made about him, therefore he should address it, otherwise it'll be allowed to linger as I said before. When you think about it, despite your soppy attempts, what I'm trying to put across is a lot more considerate of “Bumblefoot” and his position within GN'R than your suggestions to simply ignore ignore ignore.

He already addressed a few ridiculous claims and we know that. There's no point in showing him since this is a fucking lie. He even said to a forum member that this is the silliest thing he's seen around, right? Someone already contacted him. Get over it. The media won't come here to post this kind of bullshit... he answered some of these claims in the past and if needed he'll answer again. That's it. That bad attention makes him sick, makes me sick and every fan of the band sick. It's clear how morons wanna destroy this band's image but they'll fail again and again. Ashba, Ron, Frank, Dizzy... they're all great guys, great human beings and they enjoy being in the band. Axl said only good things about them, he could even share the GNR brand with them in the future. These claims have no backup - I could register under a "IknowTheTruth" nickname and post the same kind of bullshit over and over - that doesn't make it true. Stop trying to bother band members with these false claims about Bumblefoot - they all proved to be false in some way.

Bumble doesn't seem too pleased with Axl.

Ron left the stage for 5 songs at Monkey Rock / Sturgis and then there was his FB message where he poked fun at Axl:

"songs need to be written, jammed, recorded, tweaked, re-worked, re-recorded, mixed, re-mixed, mastered, re-mastered, art, new art, label approval, a game plan from the label that Axl approves"

He saw the fans throwing shit at them and things got a bit ugly. He said he was angry then and it's over now. Oh, and who said that he poked fun at Axl? It has more to do with producers and record company than anything else. Stop saying things that you don't know and that goes for you as well - cut the shit already.

No. He's on tour mode right now and he shouldn't be bothered with all this nonsense going on.

I disagree entirely. “Bumblefoot”deserves to be informed of these claims so he can either accept them or rubbish them outright. As we've seen in the past the longer rash claims are allowed to linger the greater they become in terms of magnitude.

There's no such a thing to be greater in terms of magniture - it's simply bullshit. Nothin' else. I don't know why that guy's still around. He should be banned once for all. He ain't an insider, he's some other guy saying shit out loud. To quote Bumblefoot's Some Other Guy lyrics: For all that bad attention - for that I got no patience. Leave him alone.

Hopefully you're referring to youthinkso and not me when you say that.

First of all, from what I've heard of the infamous BBA, he hates the current line-up. I love them.

Second, this is youthinkso's first post on here. He's obviously a cover up of somebody that presently is on this board or has been on this board before.

I was talking about the other guy, not about you... sorry.

we should ask ron

No. He's on tour mode right now and he shouldn't be bothered with all this nonsense going on.

But I know the background coloring, one being that Bumble thinks GnR music is pretty much trash which he has no problem saying privately in the right company.

That's not true at all. Like Ron himself said, the silliest thing I've heard in a long time.

You can call me whatever you want, but you're no more than an attention whore saying shit out loud. I won't bother Ron with this kind of stuff, but people like you don't deserve to get attention from Axl or Ron. They don't need to come here personally telling us that you're lying... people that really know Ron outside of these GNR boards know he ain't that guy you're trying to make him to be. You're simply showing us what the voices in your head are saying to you. And that ain't pretty. Like gunsguy said, cut the shit already.

"Robin F" guy is a bit off and a bit on and he is not me, if he says so, he is a liar.

The next album is done and was in that state since CD came out and it is all Buckethead//Brain/Finck material which the current band members play over, except trademark eyeliner guy.

It was supposed to come out exactly 1 year after CD, but Azoff's games killed it all.

Is why there is no USA tour too, he pretty much owns everything or he is heavily involved with the ones who do, all related to each others business.

Azoff's proposal was, reunite or I will destroy this band.

The current band members would rather want an album with new material out.

Axl isn't impressed by their efforts, Bumble is rebelling because of this, he wants the next album to have his writing on it for royalties.

Most insiders know he is in it for the money and as a career move collecting supporters for his solo career, he can't stand GnR music, is a fact, Axl knows this too but he needs him as long as Buckethead shows no interest in returning, which Axl still wants and tries to accomplish in different ways behind the back of the band, is also why he wants to push the unheard Buckethead/Finck material through on the next album, long sentence with wrong usage of commas has ended now.

Axl actually gave up on that after the Azoff thing, so he let it go and was content being a jukebox nostalgia act, which the band at the moment still is.

Axl wants to change that now.

So not all is a happy cakefest as you see it.

There are 3 remixes of CD (Axl, Brain, Dizzy-Pitman), big whoop.

DVD always has been on the agenda but the support from the company (which is Azoff's contact's lap dog) is zero, like in pretty much anything else the band wants to do, no support from any corner.

You already heard parts of "new" songs live that the current members wrote that Axl isn't impressed by, instrumental mellow versions and no shit, they will play unheard full songs one day.

So nothing new there.

And they say the stars don't look the same

I may have changed yet I have my soul to claim

You can tell this guy is speaking nonsense simply from what he said about Ron.

Ron isn't that type of guy and we all know it. And Axl being content with being a nostalgia act? Good joke.

You speak complete and utter nonsense my friend.

Guns N' Roses lives on.

I can't believe how stupid a human being can get over time. This guy is Dave's and BBA's essence together. Just when you think a human being can't get more immature you see this guy fuckin' around...

Ron's a really nice guy, but I want Slash to come back.

Can you read the fucking thread title or are you fucking blind? Stop talking about Slash here, stop trying to bring your fantasy dreams to this thread. Your ridiculous attempts to bring useless discussions make users of this board sick of you and your Slash fantasy dreams.

On the topic: He's my favorite musician ever. Possibly my favorite vocalist ever as well.

Sounded meh without the music...

Sounded pretty much with the music...

Can't wait.

To be honest, I was more impressed without the music thanks to the high notes Ron's hitting... but it sounded much more with the music, yes.

He'll release one song at a time, not gonna wait the whole thing to release all songs together. He said that on his FB comments page.