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14 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

No.

Who's the guy with the amazing recollection and quotes? @RONIN ? I think Axl said it in 2002. 

On 2/7/2020 at 9:16 PM, WhazUp said:

He technically just has "been hoping" new material comes out as if it takes a miracle from God to have a band he is in release new stuff lol

Poor fucker's been in the band 18 years. Remember Axl talking about all the interesting things he hoped to record with him?

On 2/5/2020 at 1:17 AM, Tyler Drama said:

Completely disagree, I think he just keeps getting better.

Really? The how come there isn't anything that even comes slightly close to Estranged or November or even the Give In To Me outro?

11 hours ago, Lies They Tell said:

But I have 0% hope that Axl could ever sing a song like SCOM that's mostly higher pitched mid-range with a fully raspy voice again. 2010 is never coming back. At best we could have vocals similar to 2012 and 2016, but that may never happen again either.

It's really interesting that in 2001/2002 he very consciously made the decision to use zero distortion live, even on the new songs like SoD and Madagascar that had shitloads of distortion on the studio versions. Those Jungle and LALD screams sounded absolutely insane even without distortion as they sounded so powerful. I wonder what shape his voice would be in now if he'd never deviated from that style.

In 2006 he very consciously went back to using a lot of distortion but with an incredibly well controlled blend of his 2002 clean voice. He really could just turn the rasp on and off and he maintained it through 2007 arguably getting more distortion heavy later on.

In 2009 he started similarly to '06 and then as we know by Europe he was 100% distortion. I make the assumption that despite the label /album release clusterfuck, it was finally having the thing out that basically made him want to bring it like it was 1992. His voice and general stage presence/performance, energy, demeanor etc were as close as he could physically get to his younger self. I doubt he could have sung like that for so long had he toured consistently from 1993-2010. He had a lot left in the bank for his age from the off/clean voice years.

What i'd like to ask you, though, is how he made singing like that in 2010 sound so effortless. If you watch any video of e.g. TIL it's not like he's straining to hit the notes or concentrating on singing: he's totally into the performance and the voice is just there. Listen to the Sorry pre-chorus (Nobody owes you..) which sounds SO lame in Mickey falsetto and in 2010 it's just effortless, menacing rasp. All the upper mid-range songs that he's struggled increasingly with since and especially now have full distortion all the way through. There are so many 2010 shows I have listened to all the way through countless times where he is just 100% flawless. Never less than A and some like Arnhem and Bucharest that are just A++++.

I understand that distortion/rasp, no matter how properly applied and used, is going to do damage when used consistently over time. I just don't understand how he seems to have lost so much. When he does use it now you can see it takes effort and strain. Back then it just seemed so natural.

22 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

Most bands their age are nostalgia acts.  Nostalgia is a huge part of music.  Cranking up classic tunes that bring you back.  99% of people that go to shows go for the music the band played in their heyday and songs that can "bring them back".  And for the most part tolerate any new songs.. More often than than not the new songs aren't any good anyway.  I don't see that being much different with Guns. Especially in Axl's current state. Thing could have been different 10-20 years ago though. 

People throw around the term nostalgia to shame them. I see nothing wrong with it. I love nostalgia and the older I get the more I appreciate it. 

Pasting myself from another GN'R forum where someone said people only like the classic albums and want to hear hits at shows:

There are artists and bands who always treated their audiences like music-loving adults who were capable of growing and changing with them. There are songs from every single Iron Maiden record which are treated with the same reverence live as all but a couple core classics like Trooper/Hallowed. Every album since Brave New World in 2000 through Book of Souls, hell even the Blaze albums have bare minimum one song which is greeted with a thunderous roar. 

Springsteen has played over 100 different songs on some tours. People will go mental for a River outtake like Ain't Good Enough released 30+ years later on a box set. 

You get the audience you deserve. Prince constantly challenged and pushed his audience. So has Dylan.
Between album releases in 1998 and 2005 the Stones did The Licks tour in 2002-2003 where in every city they played small, medium and large venues with sets catered to different audiences in each. 

Then you have Bon Jovi who has literally tried to re-write some version of Livin' On A Prayer almost every album and cater to the lowest common denominator with turgid, shallow lyrics and Springsteen-lite themes full of cliche about the working man and as a result has a flacid audience of the sort of housewives who only listen to one band and have no discerning musical taste or interest of knowledge and will happily pay to see him flash his cheesy grin, do the same 3 'moves' and barely manage to sing. 

15 trollop voted still great. 

14 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

I don't know about Better.  The voice that he's mostly using there seems to be right between the lower mid range and the higher mid range. He definitely has to use that higher mid-range voice in many places, so it's much easier for him to just Mickey it all. Except for the screaming parts.

Rocket Queen has a LOT of higher pitched mid-range voice in it. I'd argue that he has to use the higher pitched mid-voice a lot more than the lower pitched mid-voice in that song, so that why he's on Mickey mode there.

So what's going on in e.g. the bridge of Better at Miami (and any recent versions) where it sounds absolutely awful like it's just shot? And similarly on Prostitute from the last 2017 show they broadcast audio in full where the high parts sound atrotious?

12 hours ago, RussTCB said:

Axl Rose himself has promised at least 3 albums of new material. 

Multiple times starting in 2002. 

"We're not working on all this to keep it buried."

14 hours ago, BangoSkank said:

In fairness, these people demanded for years and years that Axl & Slash reunite. Now it's finally happened and it's called boring.

 

I didn't. Completely the opposite. And I really hated it when many of the most ardent detractors and reunionists like Diesel and Magisme would go into every every. single. solitary. thread on anything to do with Chinese/Axl/the new band(s) to shit all over it saying the same things over and over. 

Then the reunion happened and I was pretty peeved after supporting and defending Axl/New Guns for years whilst waiting for CD 2 and 3 and going to fuckloads of shows and now having to swallow a reunion with Cancer with zero explanation. 

Then I got on board and started enjoying it and loving Slash playing Twat, Sorry, Prostitute etc. Towlie was already getting bored by 2017 and was adamant there'd be no new album and I totally believed it was coming soon. 

At this point i'm as pissed and disillusioned as those other guys were during the New Guns years and totally get their point of view. I'm not even bothering to go to a UK show without new music because I know that BORING is the exact word i'd use to describe the show if I was there.

Gotta quote the Scandinavian bloke's response to the article: "If the Not In This Lifetime tour ended last November, how is it the same tour then?

I guess their logic is that since it's the same band, it's the same "reunion tour"....
 

What an absolute wet blanket XD

In the 2011-2014 years I always imagined that if he ever did play with Slash again that his pride would force him to sing the absolute best he could. I could never picture him doing his falsetto gimmick through a show like he was then if he was playing with Slash. After all the criticisms he's thrown Slash's way with regard to weak albums, playing with people he once wouldn't have been seen dead near, 'throwing it all away' etc, I just can't get my head round them all on stage together listening to that singing crystal clear in their monitors. Slash and Duff went to see Axl/DC in London. I mean, what do they think when they hear him come back to his own band and just plain suck? 

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

Yeah, I don't think that's the name of the tour either. 

I think it should be called Fat In This Lifetime. 

I know quite a few casual/classic Guns fans who are going to the London shows and they can't understand why I have absolutely zero interest unless it's guaranteed they're playing at least one unreleased song. Last night one mates literally offered to buy my ticket if i'd go with him so I said "I saw Axl Rose slay in 2010 whilst playing a lot of relatively new songs I love. I've no interest in seeing this plump fellow falsetto his way through a set of songs literally 90% of which I could do with never hearing again unless they're alts in a set full of new shit or it's the farewell tour."

Axl promised Bucket that the first tour would only lean on the old shit to get people used to the new band. After that it would be all about the new. Can't remember where now but he very specifically said that going forward the old shit would be a small part and the focus would be on the three albums he talked about at London Docklands. In 1992 he said playing Appetite every night would be like jerking off. In 2006 he said he had to get his head around exactly how to perform Jungle on that tour as he no longer had a way to relate to it. 

Something has massively changed in his head, probably along with all this peace and forgiveness. But if you showed 2010 Axl, nevermind 1992 Axl, some rough footage from the last couple years he'd probably hang himself to nip it in the bud. 

What I can't understand is that since he obviously just doesn't care anymore as far as his appearance and vocals (or he's delusional which is also possible) and it's all dollars and donuts, why the fuck is putting a record out such a big deal? In the chats when he talked about the press reaction to Chinese he sounded very prosaic saying how some of it was a blood bath. What is the massive hang up? What's he worried about? He will happily and repeatedly go and shit his pants or raincoat on live telly but wont put out some songs he finished 15-20 years ago some of which are clearly awesome. 

Or just have some fun playing different shit in the set. How can you go from being a guy in 1992 who said he was already outgrowing the older songs, at least lyrically, and wanting to mix things up and be aware of what's played on back to backs in the same city or what was played the last visit....to this plump plonker who is the walking embodiment of not giving the slightest shite.

Is there not a part of him that is gutted and sad that he'll never be able to play or do justice to songs like The General with "the highest, piercing, screaming singing" he's ever done because he's let 20 years go by getting increasingly plump whilst wasting what's left of his voice SINGING THE SAME OLD SHIT or even worse SCREECHING ANOTHER BAND'S SAME OLD SHIT?

The biggest waste of life, talent and potential in music history imo and I include all the suicide and dead fuckers.

Just fucking shit.

Sorry, needed a rant. 

Edit: Just looked at the setlist and realised there's now half as many VR songs as Chinese songs. Mind blown. Imagine telling 2006 Axl that.

On 1/31/2020 at 12:34 AM, RussTCB said:

That's one of the main reasons I stopped following the GN'R accounts as well as all band member accounts 4 or 5 years ago. I just kept getting irritated that my social feed was being filled with posts from all of them that meant absolutely nothing.

The only time I see any GNR social media is when it's posted on here. So IF something important ever happens, I'll just hear about it on here first. 

I stopped following the official GN'R ones because I already have Appetite so I don't need it marketed at me. 

Even though I love the CD band and especially Bucket, I haven't listened to any of the instrumentals at all because having heard e.g. Better without vocals it just sounds like 'whatever' to me, like a completely different song. 

Cannot understand how anyone can like Atlas let alone over the others with vocals. Easily the worst Guns/Axl song ever imo. Can't even remember how the total lack of decent melody goes. Worse than elevator music. 

I don't get why the titan tron is always full of random goofy graphics. Is that normal for huge shows where fuckers up in the nosebleeds can't see shit? Surely everyone would be happier seeing the band on the screen? 

1 minute ago, Oldest Goat said:

Oh wow same old shit+maybe a wig. Unless things change - Axl improves and there's new music, I simply don't care anymore.

That's a not a wig! It's a Gentleman's Rock Rug.

How very dare you. 

3 hours ago, TheSeeker said:

They should do the Rolling Stones thing and put a "Deep Cuts" text-voting thing on the jumbotron before every show

Text 1 to 5435 for Perfect Crime

Text 2 to 5435 for Think About You

Text 3 to 5435 for Oh My God

$5 per vote. 

8 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

I think Bumble told some people there that it was his last show. Also I recall someone saying they heard Frank backstage saying “I may need to look for new fulltime employment after this gig.” Guess he figured at the time that either Steven or Matt would fully replace him.

Courtesy of ShadowOfTheWave:

When I met her (it all came straight from Del James), who told her: "This will probably be the last time you'll see this version of Guns N 'Roses for a while." The next thing she mentioned was that: "The people have spoken." I asked what Del was referring to, she said: "Axl and Slash." I do not know if this alleged conversation took place by phone, email or in person, but I asked her to go straight to the point. According to what she said, Axl reached a level in his life where he would try to leave the máguas aside and make peace with certain people in his life, apparently Slash is one of them.

http://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/209126-rumor-some-members-may-be-out-of-the-band/?page=9

Jesus, that Better is absolutely atrocious. It's not weak first show or he's a bit older it's voice is eroding rapidly. On his worst night he never sounded like that 2006-2016. Can't say after that as I stopped bothering. But that bridge is awful. Wtf are Slash and Duff thinking when they hear it in their monitors?! 

38 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Yeah Bumble confirmed that serious talks for the reunion with Slash started right after he told Axl he was quitting, which was during the South America leg at the beginning of 2014 (before Golden Gods and Vegas). That’s why on the Golden Gods red carpet both Duff and Alice Cooper said a reunion could happen (and they both smirked like they knew something). And during his thank you speech that night, Axl thanked “all of our lineups.” He did the Revolver interview that same night. The reunion was already locked in by then. His talk of “we’ll look into maybe putting out the remix album and the second half of Chinese after Vegas” or whatever he said there was semi-bullshit. He probably saw a possibility in Slash being part of CD2 at that point, but here we are 6 years later, and that remains to be a reality.

Good stuff. Can you remember who was going around at Vegas saying to people "this will be the last time you see this lineup?" Could have been someone like Jarmo or Saint Laurent. 

1 hour ago, Bansidhe said:

Axl of all people referring to someone's "erratic behaviour"😁😁😁

The band would go for mooooonths without hearing or knowing anything, afraid to send an inquisitive email Beta's way, not wanting to make plans, expected to commit to a huge tour at a moment's notice. 

On Guns official Insta: Are you ready Miami: 

User: tessian_alderack Will y’all be doing “Sweet Child O’ Mine”?

Me: Nah, blud. They're gonna play CD 2 in its entirety then some deep cuts from Illusions, Think About You and finish with an encore of Twat. 

98 people browsing for the next 8 hours hitting REFRESH every 30 seconds to see if he plays The General or Soul Monster.

Not me. I'm refreshing every fifteen seconds. 

It almost feels like Jan 2004 when they announced Rio 4. And after they play a NITL set it'll feel like when Axl put out that shitty press release burying Bucket. 

On 1/24/2020 at 9:44 PM, Blackstar said:

That quote was from 2014 (Revolver mag), not from 2010 or 2012.

http://www.a-4-d.com/t2494-2014-05-xx-interview-with-axl-in-revolver-magazine

That was the first time Axl actually talked about wanting to release a new album (CD II specifically) after 2008, and he was referring to the period after the Vegas residencies ended ("But after Vegas, we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard."). In the same interview he was asked about the possibility of continuing working with Duff, and he said it was open. I'd guess that at that point Axl had already the reunion in his mind.

The next time - and last, to this day - he talked about wanting to release new music was in China Exchange, where he added that, like, before, "soon is not the word."

Can you remember when he said something like "we hope to make music for many years to come?" (I always hate it when he says "we" instead of "I" cuz he sure weren't talking about Ashba and BBF.