Lines&Noses

What a load of utter crap.

I'm fine that he does not want to attend, thats one thing. But to whine about "i dont want my name in the hall of fame, dont speak about me" etc. is so damn stupid, sad and irrational. I just do not get it and never will. Axl has always been my hero, and I have always been in his corner when old vs. new GnR battle has been going on, but this is too much for me.

Axl Rose: A real "class" act and an "adult".

Agreed. I'm primarily a fan of the old band (Acl included of course), and really hoped (rather than expected) that they would play one song or whatever, even as a one off it would really have made my happy.

To deny the induction altogether.....? ~What more can I say.

All I can do is boycott the new tour in protest, was waiting to see what happened before buying my ticket.

I'm sure Axl won't care and many Axlite's will lambast me, but this rollercoster ride just ain't fun any more.

I realise many fans have been alienated turned their backs before me but I guess I was just a little dumber than the rest.

I don't understand. Are you saying you will deny yourself the entertainment of attending a Guns N' Roses how this summer because Axl and Izzy refuses to attend an award show for past achievements? Doesn't that make you appear a bit stupid?

I'd feel more stupid paying for a GnR show and only one real member turned up?

What a load of utter crap.

I'm fine that he does not want to attend, thats one thing. But to whine about "i dont want my name in the hall of fame, dont speak about me" etc. is so damn stupid, sad and irrational. I just do not get it and never will. Axl has always been my hero, and I have always been in his corner when old vs. new GnR battle has been going on, but this is too much for me.

Axl Rose: A real "class" act and an "adult".

Agreed. I'm primarily a fan of the old band (Acl included of course), and really hoped (rather than expected) that they would play one song or whatever, even as a one off it would really have made my happy.

To deny the induction altogether.....? ~What more can I say.

All I can do is boycott the new tour in protest, was waiting to see what happened before buying my ticket.

I'm sure Axl won't care and many Axlite's will lambast me, but this rollercoster ride just ain't fun any more.

I realise many fans have been alienated turned their backs before me but I guess I was just a little dumber than the rest.

Cheers to all you lucky folks that are going. Guns, Chili peppers, and Beasties should be pretty fun. Who is gonna do the updates?

I would sell a kidney to see the show if the orignal line up were playing but, if as seems likely, they are not I will give it a miss.

Really hope that I don't end up regretting it, actually scratch that I hope they play even if I'm not there just so long as there is same A grade video :-)

Yeah don't think I'll upgrade as it doesn't get me any closer to the band than a normal ticket so what's the point?

Exactly! I'd consider upgrading when there would be a M&G and even early access. But I'm not going to pay that amount for a rain poncho

Yeah exactly. Maybe if they were giving out yellow raincoats so I could match Axl I'd consider upgrading

It said on tictmaster there would be a meet and greet with "select members" of GnR, somehow though I just don't think it will be Axl (franckly you are lucky if he turns up for the concert :-).

Think I'll give it a miss this time round but if it does turn out that Axl is a regular at these meet and greets I would fork out for it.

In my opinion, the mystique around Chinese Democracy was fascinating, and no record could have ever lived up to the hype, but I'm glad it came out. It seemed to me to be more of a burden on Axl than anything. At this point, Chinese Democracy is over. Withholding songs now is just hurting the band and the fans. If the songs aren't considered ready or good enough, that's one thing, but holding them back now for no reason other than to cling to some sort of fake mystique that no longer exists is just pointless.

Totally agree.

Chi Dem was just Ok imho it just hasn't grown on me and prolly never will as I just don't force myself to listen to it anymore.

So short of a reunion with the AFD line up and I'd like to hear original material from the current line up, rather than hear the current line up re-hash the chi-dem line-up's songs.

Hopefully if they have the right chemistry the recording process will not be as protracted as chi dem and we get to hear new material sooner than later.

If Axl did want to release the remaining Chi Dem material, I think he should release it with the original Chi Dem musicians and release it as a box set.

Asking the current line up to try and record another bands material from 10 years ago hardly seems fair to anyone?

I was never a big fan of VH and certainly don't care much for the new single.

However, Slash, Duff and Izzy have shown over their various side projects that they can still produce great rock music.

Axl still has the voice and lyrics and if he wanted to go back to that style I have no doubt it would be fantastic.

I have a feeling more of these type of articles will come out over the next few months saying Axl should reunite with the old lineup, that he'll probably choose not to go just to piss them off.

I actually agree with this point.

I hope he does go though, even if it is just one song!!

Personally his sounded most like his old self in 06, but sounded fine in 10 too.

Lines --

What would you expect from a reunion though? Not a repeat of Appetite. A group of 50 year old millionaires isn't going to recapture the "raw energy" that people keep saying the old band has, and the current band doesn't. It seems the creative music differences showed its ugly face on Illusions. What I wonder is wouldn't that still be the case today???

Not a repeat no, but the evolution of? LikeI say I really liked ghost on Slash's last album and the first VR record with Axl's vocals/lyrics I think it would been outstanding.

I found both VR records to be quite boring and very generic rock. Is Axl going to be happy doing those types of songs?

Is Slash going to be happy for the Catchers, TWATS, Prostitutes, Sorrys, Madagascars of the world that Axl loves?

Agree with you about the 2nd VR record being poor. If there was a reunion I think they would concentrate on the material they wrote together can't see Axl going any VR stuff nor the old band doing much of Chi Dem.

Plus of the songs listed only Sorry is played live regularly anyway, no not sure Axl is a fan of doing those songs live?

I'm just not so sure that the "magic" would return if you put this group of people together. They had magic in bottle, a perfect storm created at just the right time and they produced a couple masterpieces of music. But at the end, they were fighting and bickering and everybody wanting to do different styles of music. Do you think that now, 15 years later, that group would get together and magically created legendary album? Now, at 45-50 years old, millions in the bank.......as compared to being 25 years old and living day by day on the streets. Aren't you a different person now than you were 20 years ago?

Yes of course, I am different person now than I was 10 years ago when most of Chi Dem was recorded? All I can say is that based on the first VR record and Izzy's work with Slash on his last solo album I really do think they still have it. That's what's driving me crazy.

As for your questions. I'm an Axl fan, so I just want to hear songs that he sings on. With the Finck/Bucket crew? Yes. With the current crew? Yes. With a polka band? Yes. I don't care who it is with, I just want to hear the music that is created. It doesn't bother me that Slash recorded and performed with Fergie.........I think it's great when artists take a chance. I just think the end product with that ended up being an absolute disaster. So I'm not hung up on who is in GnR, which guitar player wrote what, who contributed to what song. I just want to hear songs.

OK well I probably am being a little facetios here but if you don't mind who is in the band then can I take it you would be happy with a reunion too?

The truth lies somewhere in between IMHO. It is undeniable that there was a SEVERE popular backlash agains Old Guns in 93-94. The reality is that Cobain smelled "blood in the water" with Old Guns and decided that rather than kiss Axl's ring he'd spit in his face (figuratively) and kick the door down on the whole damn thing in the hopes that GN'R would literally be erased from history- and he came damn near close to doing it.

Seems to me it was only after grunge had run its own course and become a parody of itself with crap bands like Creed that people started to turn their attention back ever so slightly to what Axl was up to and begrudgingly acknowledge that Old Guns had not been all bad and had actually produced some classic tunes. This would have been around 1999 when the SPIN feature on Axl and Guns came out. Whatever the case- even if Old Guns had stayed together it would have been some very tough sledding for them in mid/late 90s alternative scene where they were seemingly public enemy #1.

All that being said- I DO agree with the notion that there's been some major rehabilitation of Old Guns' image in recent years (see Greatest Hits sales) and that any kind of reunion in this "post-grunge" landscape would be a MASSIVE success. However, that would be dependent upon Old Guns successfully keeping it together long enough to tour and throw together an album to tour behind, etc. and that's where the whole thing falls apart IMHO. Just don't see them being able to do it.

In light of that- the best thing for Axl and Guns is to keep doing what they've been doing IMHO and to hopefully get some new music out that they properly promote and that maybe has a bit of DJ's commercial touch to it. They almost certainly won't ever be as HUGE as Old Guns- but I think they can have much more success and acceptance than they did with CD if they actually roll it out properly this time...

Well I can only speak fro personal experience but I and most rock fans I knew liked both bands? The fact that Kurt and Axl has their public spats didn't bother me one bit you think I am gonna stop likeing Gund coz Kurt tells me or vice versa?

Also you say that old guns couldn't keep it together for an album and tour? What do you think the problem would be? They are all producing albums (apart fro Steve) and touring individually and they must know to make the thing work they need the old dynamic where everybody contributes and nobody in sole artistic control.

Like I say have Axl live 4 times in the 2000's he's clearly still got it, Izzy and Slash still have that synergy going just listen to "Ghost" from Slash's solo album. So long as they wanted to make it work (and why would you go into a reunion if you didn't) then I see no reason why it wouldn't?

Great post Lines.

It will fall on deaf ears though.

Get ready to be accused of trying to "rewrite history."

Don't you know that everything bad that ever happened to GnR is because of Axl? Heck, even the budget crisis, skyrocketing national debt and the cluster that was the war in Iraq.....all Axl's fault.

And the fact that you said some positive things about Axl just shows that you are a Nutter who blindly worships Axl, and you are retarded, you have no taste in music, and you are insulting the legacy of the old band.

Sarcasm aside, great post!!!!

I loved the old group of guys and I love the current band. I know that ALL the members of the old band contributed to their split. And the fact that Izzy and Duff are willing to go onstage with the current group shows that all the "fued" and "blame this guy" crap is primarily just fan-based and not actually the real lives of those people who are actually involved!!!!

I am thankful for all the music those various groups of produced. And look forward to seeing what they come up with in the future - GnR, VR, solo projects, etc.

umm Groghan sorry but only the lower parts of the post are mine I was defending the old band.

I don't pretend it was black and white though. Axl's statement that it was a war from day 1 with him and Slash and how he was told to just shut up and sing (if thats not a contradiction in terms), shows.

If the old band did reunite for just one show that's one thing, but if they were to start recording again it would have to be on an equal basis with no one in sole control that is the only way they will rediscover their chemistry.

As for the nu-band its not that I hate them, seen them in 2002, 2006 (twice) and 2010 (the show with Duff!!). The warm up gig in 06 at Hammersmith is one of the bes shows I've ever seen. But the AFD line upwere my favourite band ever their music moved me in a way no other band has, I can't help but want them to reunite. I also bought Chi Dem the day of its release.

I fully respect that many people prefer the Chi Dem material and I don't really see why Axl couldn't continue with that? (indeed it would be the closest you could get to keeping everyone happy).

The only problem I see or fans of Chi-Dem and I'm not trying ot be facetious here, most of the musicians who wrote that record have moved on?

So what is it you you want to see, the current line up covering the Chi Dem material or new material from the current line up?

If its the latter who's to say what it' going to be like? indeed if anything it would seems the aqddition of DJ signals a return to the more blues rock sound that most of the Chi Dem fans don't like so much?

No thanks. I want new stuff, I don't need more AFD. Time to go into a new direction.

Fair enough but what direction do you want to see? Do you want to see the rest of the chi dem material released even though it has very little to do with the current line up?

Or do you want to see a new direction entirely if so which one?

Yup, I want the rest of Chi Dem released. As for the new direction... I dunno. Something totally new. I love surprises.

Well somehow or other I think the rest of Chi Dem will be released I can't see Axl shelving it after working on it for so long.

As for the new was there is always an element of excitement, but its unlikely to be anything like Chi Dem? Like I said with DJ on baord surely the direction is back toward more mainstream rock would you be happy with that?

Great post Lines.

It will fall on deaf ears though.

Get ready to be accused of trying to "rewrite history."

Don't you know that everything bad that ever happened to GnR is because of Axl? Heck, even the budget crisis, skyrocketing national debt and the cluster that was the war in Iraq.....all Axl's fault.

And the fact that you said some positive things about Axl just shows that you are a Nutter who blindly worships Axl, and you are retarded, you have no taste in music, and you are insulting the legacy of the old band.

Sarcasm aside, great post!!!!

I loved the old group of guys and I love the current band. I know that ALL the members of the old band contributed to their split. And the fact that Izzy and Duff are willing to go onstage with the current group shows that all the "fued" and "blame this guy" crap is primarily just fan-based and not actually the real lives of those people who are actually involved!!!!

I am thankful for all the music those various groups of produced. And look forward to seeing what they come up with in the future - GnR, VR, solo projects, etc.

umm Groghan sorry but only the lower parts of the post are mine I was defending the old band.

I don't pretend it was black and white though. Axl's statement that it was a war from day 1 with him and Slash and how he was told to just shut up and sing (if thats not a contradiction in terms), shows.

If the old band did reunite for just one show that's one thing, but if they were to start recording again it would have to be on an equal basis with no one in sole control that is the only way they will rediscover their chemistry.

As for the nu-band its not that I hate them, seen them in 2002, 2006 (twice) and 2010 (the show with Duff!!). The warm up gig in 06 at Hammersmith is one of the bes shows I've ever seen. But the AFD line upwere my favourite band ever their music moved me in a way no other band has, I can't help but want them to reunite. I also bought Chi Dem the day of its release.

I fully respect that many people prefer the Chi Dem material and I don't really see why Axl couldn't continue with that? (indeed it would be the closest you could get to keeping everyone happy).

The only problem I see or fans of Chi-Dem and I'm not trying ot be facetious here, most of the musicians who wrote that record have moved on?

So what is it you you want to see, the current line up covering the Chi Dem material or new material from the current line up?

If its the latter who's to say what it' going to be like? indeed if anything it would seems the aqddition of DJ signals a return to the more blues rock sound that most of the Chi Dem fans don't like so much?

No thanks. I want new stuff, I don't need more AFD. Time to go into a new direction.

Fair enough but what direction do you want to see? Do you want to see the rest of the chi dem material released even though it has very little to do with the current line up?

Or do you want to see a new direction entirely if so which one?

Great post Lines.

It will fall on deaf ears though.

Get ready to be accused of trying to "rewrite history."

Don't you know that everything bad that ever happened to GnR is because of Axl? Heck, even the budget crisis, skyrocketing national debt and the cluster that was the war in Iraq.....all Axl's fault.

And the fact that you said some positive things about Axl just shows that you are a Nutter who blindly worships Axl, and you are retarded, you have no taste in music, and you are insulting the legacy of the old band.

Sarcasm aside, great post!!!!

I loved the old group of guys and I love the current band. I know that ALL the members of the old band contributed to their split. And the fact that Izzy and Duff are willing to go onstage with the current group shows that all the "fued" and "blame this guy" crap is primarily just fan-based and not actually the real lives of those people who are actually involved!!!!

I am thankful for all the music those various groups of produced. And look forward to seeing what they come up with in the future - GnR, VR, solo projects, etc.

umm Groghan sorry but only the lower parts of the post are mine I was defending the old band.

I don't pretend it was black and white though. Axl's statement that it was a war from day 1 with him and Slash and how he was told to just shut up and sing (if thats not a contradiction in terms), shows.

If the old band did reunite for just one show that's one thing, but if they were to start recording again it would have to be on an equal basis with no one in sole control that is the only way they will rediscover their chemistry.

As for the nu-band its not that I hate them, seen them in 2002, 2006 (twice) and 2010 (the show with Duff!!). The warm up gig in 06 at Hammersmith is one of the bes shows I've ever seen. But the AFD line upwere my favourite band ever their music moved me in a way no other band has, I can't help but want them to reunite. I also bought Chi Dem the day of its release.

I fully respect that many people prefer the Chi Dem material and I don't really see why Axl couldn't continue with that? (indeed it would be the closest you could get to keeping everyone happy).

The only problem I see or fans of Chi-Dem and I'm not trying ot be facetious here, most of the musicians who wrote that record have moved on?

So what is it you you want to see, the current line up covering the Chi Dem material or new material from the current line up?

If its the latter who's to say what it' going to be like? indeed if anything it would seems the aqddition of DJ signals a return to the more blues rock sound that most of the Chi Dem fans don't like so much?

- Slash would not let Axl change anything on the Snakepit material......actually Axl turned down the material when it was offered so Slash created Snakepit with Gilby so Axl had his chance

So we are in agreement. Slash left because Axl did not want Snakepit to be the next GnR album.

Slash did indeed only wanted his Snakepit songs as-as and unmodified. It was indeed: my way or the highway.

Look what happened with VR. Scott Weiland got more creative control on Libertad and Slash cried. Scott Weiland got fired. And I paraphrase quote from Slash himself: "The next VR singer must singer exactly to what I create."

Well accroding to Slash's book the main reason he left was because Axl wanted to put him on a contract.

Also while Slash may have fallen out with Wieland, how many guitarits has Axl fallen out with? He is at least as caulpable as Slash?

Indeed I think it was Axl's determination to take control that led to the demise of the original line up and frankly most of the nu-line ups too.

- Slash and Duff fired Steven....Nobody knows who was the driving force behind Stevens firing but all signs point to Axl being the instigator. Slash and Duff were pussy's back then which is why Axl got away with the shit the did..also Axl fired Gilby and before Duff left wanted to fire Matt which is one of the reason Duff quit as the band ceased to be a partnership

So I guess you didn't read Steven Adler article I sourced huh? Steven blamed everybody, but the person he blamed the most - at the time - was Slash. And it was indeed Slash and Duff who brought Matt Sorum into the GnR fold. And Axl regrets allowing Sorum into the band.

Gilby was never a *member* of the band. Gilby was as important as the backup girl singers. He was brought in for the tours only. But his style of music was never Axl's cup of tea.

So we agree again: Duff left on his own accord

So you think Duff just got up one day and decided he didn't want to be in GnR anymore? Or perhaps he was unhappy about Axl taking sole control of the musical direction of the band? Had he been an employee it might be termed contructive dismiisal.

- Izzy left because he did not get along with Slash musically..no actually Izzy has stated in interviews the main reason he left GnR was Axl's late starts, Axl's attempt to get him to sign a contract cutting his percentage and his need to get away from all the drug use as he was finally sober and on probation for peeing on the plane.

So Axl's late start on the UYI tour affected Izzy's ability to write and record music on UYIs and all future GnR albums right?

Axl's late start was why Slash re-recorded all Izzy's parts on UYIs right?

Axl's late start explains why Izzy did not like Matt or Slash's style of music right?

Axl's late start on the UYI tours affected Izzy's desire to do a long tour, but it had nothing to do with his desire to create music as part of GnR anymore.

GnR was no longer his and Axl's band anymore. So, Izzy left for the same reason Slash and Duff left: CREATIVE DIFFERENCES

GnR was not Axl's band to begin with? They were a band where everybody contributed. When Axl tried to turn it in to his band that's when things went wrong.

At the time didn't Izzy say that you got 4 guys all pointing the finger at one guy? I.e him, slash, duff ans steve all blaming Axl and Axl blaming everybidy else.

So it seems at least at that time Izzzy did blame Axl for his exit?

- and the knee slapper of them all is old GNR was never respected............The grunge movement had an issue with Axl's overblown stage shows and after show party's not the bands original music. AFD Era Guns was one of the most influential bands of their era and still influences bands today

Not really dude.

Why you think Axl gave that rant against *alternative bands* and in particular Kurt Cobain?

None of the alternative bands at the time liked GnR. They bashed GnR.

None of those alternative bands list GnR as one of their big influences.

Anybody who was into the alternative music at the time, hated GnR from AFD to UYI.

Post-1992, if you were still blasting GnR's music on your stereo and wearing GnR clothing, you would be laughed at.

Think about this: even VR with Scott Weiland was not liked by people who are into NEW ROCK or old alternative rock fans.

Dude I was around in 92 and GnR were pretty much the biggest rock band on the planet back them/ure there was some antipathy from the Grunge movement but are you saying that Grunge was the sole arbiter of cool (if so I disagree).

As for having no influence on Grunge well I think Grunge wa a reaction to the glam/stadium rock GnR did so it did have an influence? I liked some of the Grunge bands but I don't see why you have to make a black n white choice between them just because Cobain tried to grad a few headlines by striking a pose against GnR

Axl has to miss the excitement of touring with Slash and Duff. They were creating magic night after night and had all come from nothing. Yeah at times it was a hassle and there was always a give-and-take but creating something beautiful isn't ever easy. Nor should it be.

He probably misses that excitement just like we all miss that first hot girl we dated in high school. But it doesn't mean he has to divorce his current wife and go back and revisit that love from 20 years ago. It would NOT be the same with her in 2011 as it was in 1988 when they were teenagers.

Have you seen the new band on tour this year????

I did.

And Axl looked like he was having an absolute blast on stage.

Three hour shows, 34 songs, interacting with the band and crowd all night long.

Axl is having a blast, so I'm not sure your overall point is really relevant.

YOU might enjoy seeing Axl play with the old band, but that doesn't mean that Axl himself would enjoy it more than he is enjoying playing with his current band.

Duff and Izzy have joined the new band on stage, and I'm sure they all have a good time with that.

A reunion tour is never going to happen. Axl is not going to desert a group of guys that have stood by his side through thick and thin for over a decade. Izzy, Slash and Duff quit and moved on.

All the guys involved in the old band and the new band are pretty much all friends and respectful to each other. The new band members have had NO problem letting old bands jam with them.

Old members have had NO problem getting on stage and jamming with the new band.

Really, it's just a few forum members who are still angry and bitter about the old band's breakup. The band members themselves have moved on with their lives. Shame that forum members cannot.

The Groghan argument again! Hahah. The band is probably not listening to the old albums and probably don't want to SEE that music live. They have moved on, have other jobs but the music doesn't age to fans. Fans of Pink Floyd would like to see Roger and David play together again, obviously right? Even though Roger waters still plays lots of Floyd songs people still want to see the original band together playing. Only on this forum can fans want to see the band that made the albums together on stage and catch a "logical" breakdown of why they shouldn't want that. The only difference between Roger and Axl is Axl still calls his band the old bands name, the situation is the same though.

Your post about people shouldn't nit-pick, analyse, or make conversation about Axl's interviews was rough too. This is a DISCUSSION forum and when Axl comes out of his cave and we hear from him we like to talk about, look into it. It's fun for some of us, serious business apparently for others.

About a reunion, of course he didn't say anything directly about it. Look at the timeline though...

2008: Slash is a cancer, wouldn't be in the same room with him and there would be a fight if they were, no interest in RHOL

earlier this year That Metal Show: Doesn't rule out a the hall of fame completely, nothing overly hateful about Slash

this interview: Talking about what people would want from a reunion (Slash and Duff, in his opinion) and what he wouldn't want from a reunion (certain Illusions people, I guess), more talk not completely ruling out a reunion

Quite a change, quite a change.

Great post knife chase!

It may only be the RNRHOF or maybe not even the RNRHOF but if it is I will sell a kidney to be there!

Axl is so fucking confusing lol.... When you try to decipher what he says it makes no sense.. So his new drummers work hard but Stinson doesn't? Who knows... Personally I would love to see Axl, Slash and Duff.. That would be pretty bad ass. It is as close to seeing the classic lineup as I have ever seen anyway because I never saw them until the UYI's tour.. It just fucking blows my mind that now Izzy is the one that he wouldn't want onboard. That makes NO sense to me at all. I have had dreams of seeing Axl, Slash, Duff and IZZY play together someday. I would rather see Axl, Slash and Izzy than Axl, Slash and Duff... Axl is so perplexing lol... I never really expected Steven to be part of it. I wish he was but it ain't happening.

I am really getting the feeling that Axl and Slash are quietly mending their friendship behind closed doors.

Axl

Slash

Duff

Ashba

Frank

Dizzy

That would work for me...

I really don't think that it's that Axl wouldn't "want" Izzy onboard. Remember that Izzy left basically before the UYI tour even got going. He made it clear he didn't have any interest in being in a big band, doing a lot of live concerts, dealing with Axl on a daily basis, etc. Even when he was in the band, he didn't seem that into it. Remember Axl & Slash complaining about how Izzy didn't move around on stage and sometimes was playing the wrong thing?

We know that Duff and Slash have commented about their interest in returning, but Izzy never did. Maybe he told Axl he wouldn't want to return, or maybe Axl is just assuming he couldn't be counted on.

I thought I just read somewhere in the last couple of days that Izzy said he helped write those songs and he would be interested.. Not sure how long ago he said taht..

2006 I think. Axl never said he wouldn't want Izzy onboard. It's pretty clear that he states that people who want a reunion or are expecting for one only care about Slash and Duff. We would have to ask them if they'll be 100% satisfied if only Izzy and Steven reunites with Axl and tour again.

This really is fabulous news even the possibiliity of a reconcilation makes me very happy!! Christamas has come early!

As for Steven and Izzy well of course I would like to see them on board. There seems to be a lot of references to Izzy not being reliable or able to handle the pressure but surely this refers to how he was back in 1990? He's now off the drugs and in pretty good fettle from what I can see so hopefully he could do it if an agreement could be reached.

With Steven it's far less clear I'd love to see him back in the band (assuming he was functional), might help him turn things around too, you know give him something to shoot for but something tells me he is a lost cause!

I thought we heard (TMS interview?) Izzy was supposed to play Miami this year with Guns and bailed at the last minute for unknown reasons...

Anyway, it's not that Izzy's a bad guy- I just don't think he's in to having his life dictated by a tour schedule and months of commitments, etc. IMHO Axl's right on this one. Got to go with someone else (e.g. DJ, Richard, Gilby etc.) if this half-baked reunion were to ever in a million years happen (not very likely IMHO)...

Ah I didn't know about that? Still without knowing the full facts don't want to write him off just yet.

I realise a full union is still a long way off but even a reconcillation is good news. Hopefully Axl will at least attend the RNRHOF award ceremony.

Axl is so fucking confusing lol.... When you try to decipher what he says it makes no sense.. So his new drummers work hard but Stinson doesn't? Who knows... Personally I would love to see Axl, Slash and Duff.. That would be pretty bad ass. It is as close to seeing the classic lineup as I have ever seen anyway because I never saw them until the UYI's tour.. It just fucking blows my mind that now Izzy is the one that he wouldn't want onboard. That makes NO sense to me at all. I have had dreams of seeing Axl, Slash, Duff and IZZY play together someday. I would rather see Axl, Slash and Izzy than Axl, Slash and Duff... Axl is so perplexing lol... I never really expected Steven to be part of it. I wish he was but it ain't happening.

I am really getting the feeling that Axl and Slash are quietly mending their friendship behind closed doors.

Axl

Slash

Duff

Ashba

Frank

Dizzy

That would work for me...

I really don't think that it's that Axl wouldn't "want" Izzy onboard. Remember that Izzy left basically before the UYI tour even got going. He made it clear he didn't have any interest in being in a big band, doing a lot of live concerts, dealing with Axl on a daily basis, etc. Even when he was in the band, he didn't seem that into it. Remember Axl & Slash complaining about how Izzy didn't move around on stage and sometimes was playing the wrong thing?

We know that Duff and Slash have commented about their interest in returning, but Izzy never did. Maybe he told Axl he wouldn't want to return, or maybe Axl is just assuming he couldn't be counted on.

I thought I just read somewhere in the last couple of days that Izzy said he helped write those songs and he would be interested.. Not sure how long ago he said taht..

2006 I think. Axl never said he wouldn't want Izzy onboard. It's pretty clear that he states that people who want a reunion or are expecting for one only care about Slash and Duff. We would have to ask them if they'll be 100% satisfied if only Izzy and Steven reunites with Axl and tour again.

This really is fabulous news even the possibiliity of a reconcilation makes me very happy!! Christamas has come early!

As for Steven and Izzy well of course I would like to see them on board. There seems to be a lot of references to Izzy not being reliable or able to handle the pressure but surely this refers to how he was back in 1990? He's now off the drugs and in pretty good fettle from what I can see so hopefully he could do it if an agreement could be reached.

With Steven it's far less clear I'd love to see him back in the band (assuming he was functional), might help him turn things around too, you know give him something to shoot for but something tells me he is a lost cause!

lol at people who's only thing to say is "WRONG BOARD". Really man? Are you that bored? Or does it give you pride to perform an online citizens-arrest on me. keep up the good work

Man please, you know exactly why I said that.

Within a few posts it will be Axl vs Slash all over again. If this thread stays in the right section, you guys can talk about a reunion amongst reunionists as long as you want without being bothered by "Axl-nuthuggers".

I'm no mod, but that would be logical for this thread to be moved.

As far as the topic of this thread goes, LOL @ people believing a reunion will happen.

Axl was clear, 2012 will be all current GnR and he fired 2 managers this year because they wanted to force a reunion.

Wow this is great news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not a full reunion far from it, but at least a step in the right direction.

Even a reconciliation between Axl and Slash would be a great thing in my book.

As for moving it to the reunion section can if you want to, but as this clearly would affect the current GnR line-up surely its relvant here too?

This was a really inspirational interview. I just saw it right now on TV and I really enjoyed it.

Was a really good interview, she had him on the ropes slightly when asking is the lyrics to It's so easy were misognystic, quoting the line "turn around bitch I got a use for you".

Shoulda just said if wanting to screw women is the charge then I have to plead guilty.

Except for that it would be amazing to see them live once or twice, I can see nothing good coming out of it in terms of making a record or anything like that.

The new band are on to something I think and it feels like a new record is going to come out of it - a record that is sort of more collaborative than the last one. It feels like these guys are really becoming a unit that could stay together and keep growing.

They have that "against all odds-thing" going on in a way.

Reuniting with the old band would be very boring in many ways

I say: NO THANKS

I do think the original lineup could get back together, they'd come up with great songs, but I think Axl enjoys this band and wants to take this journey with them for as long as possible.

I honestly see no reason why the old line up getting back together would not deliver great music. AFD is my favourite album of all time, and I think Contraband with Axl's vocals/lyrics would have come close to it. They clearly stil have it.

If you prefer the new stuff it's fair enough but for those of us who prefer the old sound a reunion is likely to be very interesting indeed.

As much as I love the old line-up I can't agree with this. Even if you collect 5 million signatures that doesn't mean Axl will show up. Pointless.

There is already a petiton why not use it?

https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=105671573414

post up that you are looking for RRHOF reunion.

On the other hand pi2loc what is the downside?

you click like on a facebook page that's it?

Lets see if we can get enough members to sign this petition because I think that Axl could put everything aside and do at least one song with the guys for the fans sake and he wouldn't even have to talk to them. He could just tell them the song/songs he wanted to do and have the group be ready to play and Axl show up and belt it out for a few. Guns n' Roses imo are the best and last real hard rock band to ever hit the stage and it would be a shame to have it end up like the VanHalen or Beach boys ceremony. I'am not asking for a tour or anything like that because the current line up is doing just fine blowing people away every night with 3 hour shows we just want this as a one time only final farewell and thank you to us fans. Remember the fans are what helped get you here. Axl, you said this is our victory so please make it special for us!

I will be the first one to sign:

Mike Riggleman

What a waste of cyberspace! Petitions are useful to stop whaling, shark finning, etc and the original line up will not reunite unless Axl wants to and he won't care about you getting million signatures, he will always do what he wants

Well you can sign those petitions too or not as you choose it's not one or the other?

Instead of talking about it why not stick the petition up on facebook or something and those who want to, sign up for it?

I really can't understand why this thread has started to descend into yet another old v nu thread? If you don't want to sign don't? In all likelihood it will do no good anyway, on the other hand its very little effort and better than doing nothing for those os us who would like to see the AFD line up perform together.

Even those of you who prefer the nu-band surely you don't begrudge us one day?

I've seen pretty much every incarnation of this band but I would love to see the AFD line up one more time!

Oh my god you GN'R people and your There Was A Time! There was a cock

hahahahahaha.

Seriously, that's the best song from Chinese Democracy. They really should play more often.

It's not only the best song from Chinese Democracy. yes

It is the greatest song by Guns N' Roses No

and the most amazing song in Rock music history No.

Why would you randomly bump a decade old thread?

Lol at how he continued the conversation like no time had passed.

Must have the same sense of time as Axl?

Image was very important but it was ultimately the music that made them the biggest band in the world. If it had been to much because of the image Guns would have disappeard like the rest of bands at the time have done, bands like Poison, Motley Crue, RATT, Skid Row, Def Leppard, Great White, Twisted Sister where are they now?

Agreed they had a great image which do doubt helped but without the music? Well (most of) the bands you mention also had geat images but they are no where now.

As to the ballads v rocker thing I certainly think AFD is better than UYI but its not so much because it UYI has ballads (there are some great ballads on those records) but UYI displayed the tensions of a band already starting to implode (stevie was already gone and Izzy had one foot out the door).

Had the UYI records been reocrded when they still has the same chemistry it prolly would have surpassed AFD.