Nikki_Sixx

55 minutes ago, username said:

No. Those are demo's from a later period.

I'm kind of bummed Ain't Going Down is an instrumental though. I think there's a demo from the AFD years with lyrics from another session. 

No there's not.

There's only 3 surfaced recordings of 'Ain't Going Down' :

- Sound City instrumental june '86, available on bootlegs, , will be on AFD boxset

- Live recording from august '86 (by Marc Canter), available on bootlegs

- UYI outtake (with vocals), rough mix available on bootlegs, finished version released officially in '94 on pinball machine

20 minutes ago, Grayfox said:

I mentioned above in a reply to another post some detail on Crash Diet. Danny Clarke the guitarist for Asphalt Ballet co-wrote it with West and Axl. Most likely he plays guitar along with West. They wrote it while Danny was part of Asphalt Ballet which started in 1988. So the song would be from 1988/89 most likely. 

Incorrect.

NOT co-written by Danny Clarke.  He changed it around after the fact.

NOT from '88/'89, the Hell House era was late '86 early '87.  Pre-AFD.

So ...

- No Mystic Studio '85 session : 5 tracks we'll NEVER hear in pristine quality

- No Pasha Studio '86 session : 13 tracks we'll NEVER hear in pristine quality

- 5 million replica memorabilia items which have ZERO purpose

They had ONE chance, and they blew it ...

... this is GNR people ! 

1 hour ago, youngswedishvinyl said:

I didn't say that the LALD version was Pasha, I just added that sentance to eliminate another version of the song since the vocals are more similar to the remaster there! 

I'm also thinking it's the Clink version, after all the box set includes 2 unreleased Clink recordings! It surely isn't a re-recording, comparing the different versions one can clearly hear that they all are recorded in the same era!  

I agree.  I admit I was wrong about the snippet being from Pasha.  It happens, even to me   They sound VERY similar.  But the lyrics give it away.

It makes sense now that the snippet (and the 'single') would be the 'new' unreleased/unheard/unbootlegged Mike Clink session.  Why on earth would they release an old b-side version ???

This also explains why there's a lick we didn't recognize, and it also rules out any nonsense about re-recording.

That's settled then !  Not Pasha -> Clink session !  Not re-recorded -> Clink session !

I rest my case.  End of (this) discussion.

8 minutes ago, youngswedishvinyl said:

It's not the Pasha demo though... Slash's guitar playing is different and on the Pasha demo Axl sings: "Took my chances carelessly, choked on my own cigarett" while on the version GNR.FM site he sings: "Took my chances carelessly, I said I choked on my own cigarett".

It also isn't the same version that's on the LALD 12" since it's in a totally different tempo and clearly has another vocal take!

Pasha is not on the LLAD single, that's Sound City.  Pasha is on Live From The Jungle and numerous other b-sides.  With added fake crowd noise.

You're right though about the vocals , kinda has me thinking it might after all be the Mike Clink version.  That might explain the mysterious lick that we haven't heard.  Sounds VERY close to the Pasha version though ! hmz ...

Still 100% certain that it is NOT a re-recording.

2 minutes ago, Order of Nine said:

If they remastered different takes or re recorded parts was thier decision. That dosnet devalue anything and it's not blasphemy either way. 

IT IS BLASPHEMY !!!

GNR ended in '96-ish.  They have no right to mess up these sacred recordings decades later.  These are historical artefacts !

Do you want Da Vinci to draw a moustache on the Mona Lisa ?

20 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Slash's guitar fill before the singing is completely different in the Pasha version. 

That's exactly what I said ...

17 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Okay so if it's not the Mike Clink version but that Pasha one..how come that lick is there then that wasn't there before? I mean it would make sense they maybe played different parts if it was a completely different version (Mikes) but if it's an old one..how would one explain that? Or maybe they combined different snipptes of versions just for that preview? I think you can hear it cut to a different part of the song instead of it being a straight sample from a track

And I don't think anyone else asked this: who would do the remaster? Did they go back to Mike Clink for it?

Because they went back to the master tapes, and found stuff on the reels that wasn't used on the previously released versions ?  Then remix, remaster, and you're done !

Or they've added it recently, which is BLASPHEMY !

But the rest of the music and vocals in the snippet is STRAIGHT OUTTA PASHA '86 !

Why am I still discussing this ?   Can you seriously not tell the difference between something that you've been hearing for 30 years, and something you've never heard before ?   Just because there's no crowd noise, and it's remixed/remastered so it's sounds a tad more modern ? That's just sad ...

Can we please STOP with the 're-recording' nonense about 'Shadow Of Your Love' ??? 

- It is NOT re-recorded, not the music, not the vocals.  There's a lick in the snippet that we haven't heard, the rest is STRAIGHT OUTTA 1986 !!!

- It is NOT the Mike Clink version or Sound City demo, it's the officially released Pasha version, the one we've had for years (without the fake crowd noise, remastered and/or remixed) !!!

If you CANNOT tell the difference between Axl '86 and Axl '16, YOU HAVE A SERIOUS HEARING DISORDER !!!

From that unboxing video, I get the idea we'll only get the Sound City sessions and the Mike Clink session, which means we won't get the Mystic and Pasha sessions ... 

On the other hand, the 'Shadow Of Your Love' preview is the Pasha version, and so is the 'Reckless Life' clip in the unboxing video, both without fake crowd noise, so I don't know what to think ...

I'd trade in all those stupid memorabilia for the one thing we need from this 'band' :  REAL GNR MUSIC, recorded between '85 and '96 !!!

You do realise that AFD on cd and AFD on LP will count as 24 tracks right ? 

They could also duplicate the demos on cd and LP, so that'll cut your track count in half !

That's advertising for ya !

3 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

What about the drum machine 86 demos like the West Arkeen ones Axl sung e.g. Too Much Too Soon, Just Another Sunday, Crash Diet, the Izzy sung Bad Obsession, The Garden demo etc etc etc.

Those are not AFD pre-production demos.  I only included stuff that pertains to AFD.  Not Hollywood Rose, not West Arkeen stuff.

7 minutes ago, username said:

Setting yourself up for immiment disappointment right there. 

Hey, they've been dissapointing me since '93...

On 15-4-2018 at 5:48 AM, LikeADog93 said:

Estranged isn't advanced from a technical drumming standpoint, the advanced part is learning the arrangement. If Steven did his homework and learned the arrangement of Estranged he would nail it. Same with November Rain, not a difficult drum part, just a long song with a number of transitions. We'll never get to hear it, but how Steven would approach those songs would be very interesting to hear.

You do realise that Adler wasn't out of the band 'till June/July '90  ?  That means he was still the drummer for all the rehearsals, demos, pre-production (and had probably even started the actual recording) for 99% of the UYI material ?  I bet he was playing 'Estranged' and 'November Rain' in (at least) rehearsal WAY before Sorum was even in the picture.

7 hours ago, RazorGunner said:

Gee, I could have sworn I saw some GNR shows last year. 

That's what they'd have you believe ... 

18 hours ago, killuridols said:

You are so arrogant you didn't even take into consideration when The Outpatience was formed 

It was 1995. There's no way members of GN'R collaborated with them previous to that date 

Ok then !  Since you seem to know everything, I'll shut up !

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

Read the previous page. The bassist of the band confirmed the songs were recorded  when GN'R were working on a new album. That'd be 1994-1995.

I read the previous page perfectly well, thank you very much.

There's no mention of ANY year whatsoever.  That story is so shady, these recordings could've happened at any time up to '96.

The Outpatience album is not rare at all.  Every record fair I go to I can buy it for 50 cents.

For all we know, these recordings could've been done in the early '90's, and we're only released in '96.

'Three strangers - who are these people ?'

I couldn't have said it better !? That's your 'reunion' in a nutshell 

Finally someone who dares say it like it is ... and not kiss their ass.

18 hours ago, EvH said:

Nobody said it was rare, Negative Nikli.

Negative Nikki

This is from Robert John's home videos, not rare at all, there's a whole dvd of this kinda stuff circulating.

On 12-3-2018 at 4:37 AM, troccoli said:

Yes, I have since been told the same.  Well I guess I can go back to being perturbed then at the person that posted it on YouTube!

Did you seriously think you could contain this ?

With the right software you can download them in whatever format you want, including FLAC.

SoundCloud streams the files in 128 kbps mp3 format, but the lossless files are up for grabs as downloads if you know what to do.

On 4-3-2018 at 6:29 AM, WhazUp said:

Or y'know you can read a book and enjoy the current GNR tour and not feel the need to only post if you have something bad to say about the current GNR lineup

But hey, I guess that is too much common sense lol

I could ... but I won't.

I have lots of positive things to say about GNR.  Unfortunately there is no more GNR ...

Fuck I'm SO looking forward to Matt's book ! Unheard info on THE most important and underexamined GNR years => '90 -> '97

Will it be biased ? Probably.  Will it be balls-out ? Fuck yeah !

This book is gonna shit all over the fake reunion !