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2 hours ago, Sosso said:

Nope. UYI and CD have equal spotlight. 

 

Which is a disgrace.

Madagascar and TWAT.

2 more covers.

Great

You wanna introduce someone to GNR ... and out of 7 shows you include 5 that have only one member of GNR ???

Once and for all, there are no different 'eras' to GNR, there's just GNR '85-96ish' and then there's all the NON-GNR shit after that...

4 minutes ago, Sosso said:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzy_Stradlin_and_the_Ju_Ju_Hounds_Live

07/21/1993

My mistake, thought you were talking about the studio album.

Still, 2 of your options have nothing to do with GNR.

I nominate this for 'worst thread/poll ever' ...

Only 1 of the options is a GNR album released in '93.

2 and 3 have nothing whatsoever to do with GNR.

Izzy's album was released in October of '92.

Duff's album is a solo album, not a GNR album.

Great find, thanks for sharing !

I didn't know Ford played on 'Somebody Knockin', funny how I'd rather read about Izzy without GNR, than GNR without Izzy ...

22 hours ago, youngswedishvinyl said:

Not only were the Ritz show recorded but all of the '91 warm up shows (the 1991-05-09 - Warfield Theatre, San Francisco, CA gig. The  1991-05-11 - Pantages Theatre, Los Angeles, CA gig and the 1991-05-16 - The Ritz, New York, NY gig) are rumored to be recorded on film.

What that means is that these film recordings, unlike most other recordings from the UYI era (if not all except for the Freddie Mercury Tribute) that were recorded on VHS, can be digitized in true 1080p HD. The difference between a VHS recording and a film recording is massive and concerts recorded on film looks amazing.

Here's Paradise City recorded on film from the Freddie Mercury Tribute (sadly compromised by YouTube but you get the idea):

And here's Paradise City recorded on VHS from Indiana in '91:

As you can see the details are much clearer and the colors of the film recording looks amazing. I really hope that these recording will se the light of day at some point in the future especially since we don't have any video footage of the San Francisco show (I'd love to see that since the first GN'R performance ever of Dust N' Bones, Bad Obsession and Live and Let Die were played on this gig) and I'd give my left arm for a recording of the LA show (which I would consider as the holy grail of GN'R live recording) since we don't have a single recording (audio or video) of that show. The LA show also happens to have an amazing setlist including the first GN'R performances of Right Next Door To Hell, 14 Years, Yesterdays and You Ain't The First as well as Don't Cry with Shannon Hoon and more importantly the second and last ever performance of Bad Apples! 

Personally I'd love it if GN'R did something like KISS did with their Kissology box sets when the Not In This Lifetime Tour is over. Release a couple of DVD sets with 4-5 live shows of each era that we haven't already seen in pro shot quality. Imagine something like this:

DVD Box 1: (1985-1989)
06.06.85 - Troubador, Hollywood, CA (This would not be professionally recorded but I'm pretty sure that Marc Canter recorded this show on video so if it exists, it would be included) 
09.20.86 - L.A. Street Scene Festival, Los Angeles, CA (Not professionally recorded, Marc Canter recorded this show and the show is great but very short because of the rowdy crowd)
10.23.87 - The Ritz, New York, NY (We know that this exists in pro shot quality but we've only seen 10 minutes of it)
12.10.88 - Budokan, Tokyo, Japan (You're Crazy and Used To Love Her on live era is sourced from this show, hopefully video was professionally recorded as well)
10.13.89 - Park Plaza Hotel, Los Angeles, CA (At least 1 hour and 10 minutes of this show is known to exist)

DVD Box 2: (1991-1993)
05.11.91 - Pantages Theatre, Los Angeles, CA (Rumored to be recorded on film as previously stated)
08.31.91 - Wembley Stadium, London, England (All UYI era shows were recorded, probably the best 1991 show in my opinion as well as Izzy's last GN'R show as a member)
02.20.92 - Toyko Dome, Tokyo, Japan (All UYI era shows were recorded, Locomotive do I need to say anything else?)
04.10.93 - Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (All UYI era shows were recorded, The Garden, Coma and Used To Love Her was played)

DVD Box 3: (2001-2007)
01.01.01 - House Of Blues, Las Vegas, NV (All CD era shows were recorded, first GN'R show since '93 and Rhiad And The Bedouins was played)
12.05.02 - Madison Square Garden, New York, NY (All CD era shows were recorded, last Buckethead show)
05.12.06 - Hammerstein Ballroom, New York, NY (All CD era shows were recorded, There Was A Time.)
07.14.07 - Makuhari Messe, Chiba, Japan (All CD era shows were recorded, first full Don't Cry since 1993)

DVD Box 4: (2009-2014)
12.19.09 - Tokyo Dome, Tokyo, Japan (All CD era shows were recorded, 3 hours and 37 minutes long and all of Chinese Democracy is played except for Rhiad And The Bedouins)
10.14.10 - The O2 Arena, London, England (All CD era shows were recorded, Duff joins for the first time since 1993)
07.22.12 - Son Fusteret, Mallorca, Spain (All CD era shows were recorded, Izzy joins for 8 songs and Whole Lotta Rosie is played)
06.06.14 - The Joint at Hard Rock Hotel, Las Vegas, NV (All CD era shows were recorded, There Was A Time and Prostitute were played)

DVD Box 5: (2016-2017)
04.01.16 - Troubadour, West Hollywood, CA, USA (Recordings are known to exist, first show with Slash since '93)
08.05.16 - NRG Stadium, Houston, TX, USA (It's safe to assume that all NITL shows are recorded, amazing show.)
07.27.17 - The Dome at America's Center, St. Louis, MO (It's safe to assume that all NITL shows are recorded, first St.Louis show since the Riverport Riot)
11.29.17 - The Forum, Los Angeles, CA (It's safe to assume that all NITL shows are recorded, this will hopefully be the last NITL show and thus the setlist probably will be exciting)

If they wan't to stop fans from whining then release something like this and a new album in 2018 and I'm fairly sure that we fans will be very satisfied! 

Why would you waste half of your GNR boxset on NON-GNR material ?

Great.  More covers turned into regulars.  Just what we needed.

Also, anything they rotate in and out seems to be mostly CD songs, which are also non-GNR songs ...

Last night's show had 7 covers and 4 CD songs (so more covers) = 11 non-GNR songs.  vs 18 GNR originals.  Not counting pointless jams on MORE cover songs.

Probably over an hour and a half of opportunities missed to play their own fucking songs for fuck's sake ...

What a disaster

1991 is the essence of GNR.  Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Matt. Oh, and Dizzy.  Best line-up, best setlists, indoor fucked-up raw crazyness all-round.

Ridiculous Axl wardrobe, rambling over the top rants, riots, fucked up shit, 100% mentally insane performances, me-against-the-world-attitude, everyone-is-to-blame-but-me shit round the clock.

'Ride Next Door To Hell', '14 Years', 'Bad Apples', 'You're Crazy' [fast version], 'Perfect Crime', 'Pretty Tied Up', etc. epic setlists ...

The things I would do for pro-shot video from that leg, or audio/video of the unsurfaced shows ...

Things shifted obviously in a major way when Izzy left and GNR turned into a circus act, but those late '91, early '92 US/Japan shows are amazing, second best part of the UYI tour, long shows, legendary multiple night stands like MSG and Tokyo Dome.

I really like how they opened up the setlists again with extra goodies like 'So Fine', 'Attitude', 'Breakdown', 'Move To The City', the extended 'Rocket Queen', the backup singers did a great job on 'Yesterdays', 'Pretty Tied Up', 'Don't Cry', ...

It all went downhill pretty quickly once they got to Europe and into the Metallica tour.  Setlists became shorter and shorter (maybe because of outdoor curfews ? tour fatigue ? ) and immensely predictable and stale.  There were still some exceptions like Cologne, Giants Stadium, digging up 'Out Ta Get Me' late in the Metallica tour, ... but mostly a standard setlist.  By the time they hit South America and Australasia in late '92 it's a genuine borefest.

1993 started very promising, they finally got rid of some rust in the set like 'Civil War', 'Bad Obsession', the snoozefest version of 'KOHD', and instead on any given night you could get 'Garden Of Eden', 'The Garden', 'Nice Boys', 'Reckless Life', 'Yesterdays', 'So Fine', 'Dead Horse', etc. and the acoustic set was a nice change.  Before long, in true GNR tradition of ruining a good thing, the sets quickly got shorter and more predictable, dropping all the rare extras.  As the tour wound down in Europe, the shows were a mere shadow of their former selves, they even went under 2 hours in some places, with zero surprises, a fixed setlist, and by this time the novelty of the acoustic set had worn off, in my opinion it really kills the momentum if you listen to multiple shows.

All in all, if I wanna summarize the UYI tour, all I can say is what started out amazing, kinda got watered down and by the end just imploded.  Not unlike the story of GNR !

'Once there was this rock n' roll band rolling on the streets.  Time went by and it became a joke.  We just needed more and more fullfilling.  Time went by and it all went up in smoke...'

The 'best' ?

Or the 'least bad' ?

4 hours ago, Sosso said:

I'm curious if some of the tracks from CD II will feauture two bassists when Slash and Duff will add some overdubs.

It's not that unrealistic because some of the CD tracks have two bass tracks too - TWAT and Madagascar (Stinson and Pitman).

Right.  That's just what we need.  25 guitar players, 2 keyboard players, 2 drummers ... and now 2 bassists !

12 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

I made it clear in the OP I'm a CD era fan. I only like about half of AFD actually, though I recognize most of it is great. As for UYI, stuff like Perfect Crime, Garden Of Eden and Shotgun Blues is bland garbage to me.

When are you people going to realise that there is no 'CD era'

There's only the GNR era ('85-'96), and then there's Axl's solo band and all its different incarnations, including the current one.

Oh, and a CD fan calling UYI songs 'bland garbage' ... ??? 

2 hours ago, Sosso said:

I wonder if they are keeping the recordings from Bucket, Robin, Paul, Bumble and/or DJ on a new Album.

Why ?  What do those people have to do with GNR ?

21 hours ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

I'm tired of this. Did Axl really 'single-handedly' ruin GNR when only the opinions of Slash and Duff have been blasted through the media? Is one side of a story really enough to craft a complete conclusion of what happened?

A band consists of multiple people, and to that extent, the collapse of Guns N' Roses falls on more than just Axl. Slash and Duff were literally fucked up from all the drugs they were taking, and they too were just as responsible for the band as Axl was. Nothing is as clear cut as a lot of people try to make it. If you're talking about Chinese Democracy, then it is a subjective thing. Many people like it, many people don't. Regardless, it is still a part of GNR history, and has been validated in part by Slash's and Duff's performances of some of the songs.

I'm not talking about the collapse of GNR.  I'm talking about dragging the GNR name through the mud for years and years, by trying to pass of a bunch of hired hands as the real deal.  If he had ANY integrity, he wouldn't gone solo, end of discussion.  

What he's doing today is just a continuation of the debacle of the last 15 or so years.  He just added Slash and Duff to his solo band, because he was getting nowhere and members were starting to leave one after the other.  This is NOT a reunion, but it SHOULD have been.

For the record, I like Chinese Democracy.  I think it's a flawed masterpiece.  But it is what it is, an Axl Rose solo album.  Nothing more, nothing less.

53 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Izzy's contributions to the UYI albums was minimal. And Steven didn't contribute at all. So the big 3 are the "alchemy" necessary for the success of GNR. Furthermore, GNR were the biggest band in the world with Gilby and Matt, so I guess the rest of the world didn't get the alchemy of the 5 dudes. Axl, Slash, and Duff are all that has been nesscesary since 1992.  

You obviously don't know what you're talking about

Half of UYI was written with or before the AFD material.

Half of UYI was written by or with Izzy.

Over half of the GNR catalogue was written by or with Izzy.

Slash hardly ever wrote anything for GNR (aside from solos obviously).

Duff wrote even less.

Slash and Duff weren't even in the band yet, when some (classic) GNR songs were written ...

Strictly speaking from a songwriting point of view, the reason the last GNR album with original material was released in '91, is because Izzy left even before it was released.  It all went downhill from there and ended in '96.

GNR died when Izzy left.

RIP.

Izzy doesn't play on 'The Garden', 'Locomotive' and 'Shotgun Blues'.

Izzy doesn't play any leads on 'Double Talkin' Jive', just rhythm guitar.

Facts are facts.  No discussion is possible or necessary.

This tour has taught me that with GNR, it's always been and always will be TOO LITTLE TOO LATE ...

All this should've happened in '96, with the correct people.

The only thing that can redeem the legacy somewhat now, is a vault studio/live boxset.  Done correctly please.

He can bang his head as much as he wants, at least he plays the songs correctly !

The same can't be said for everyone ...

The change in bass occurred at the start of the Skin N' Bones Tour and lasted till the last show.  He went on to play a Gibson guitar in his solo band at the end of '93.

The change in weight had been building up for years and ended when his pancreas burst in '94.

The better shows are in the second half of this leg.  The European tour started with very boring setlists (except for maybe 'TWAT' in Slane).  It got better towards the end, when they started adding 'Sorry', 'Yesterdays', 'Whole Lotta Rosie', 'Used To Love Her' and play both 'Patience' and 'DC'.

I was at Werchter, Paris and Nijmegen.  I'd have to go for Nijmegen, because that was the longest show of the NITL tour so far, and the sound mix was the best from where I was standing.  Paris is a close second, great setlist as well and great crowd.

16 hours ago, Sosso said:

Why should they ignore a huge part of GN'Rs history? Slash said that he wouldn't mind to play these songs live shortly after the album was released

Why does Axl still ignore certain former members, who were a huge part of GNR's history ?  Slash has said that he wouldn't mind to play these songs live with them.

19 hours ago, xBrownstonex said:

There was one outside. In front of the second entrance, next to the vip registration and box office. But they didnt sell any either

I was unaware of this, I apologize.  I didn't even know there was a second entrance ...

I stand corrected !

Just now, xBrownstonex said:

Well, there were lithos. But only inside and only at two of the three merch stands inside. And one of them sold out five mins after the gates opened. The third one was kinda hidden.

I know there were Lithos.  I saw several people there with one.  I meant I didn't manage to get one.  

There were no merch stalls outside by the way.  There were three inside, one at the entrance and one on each side of the field.  I only checked the one at the entrance ...

Who else misses NOTHING AT ALL about Bumblefoot ???