AngelZ

two words - Axl Rose

Lmao @Angeles! You are a good sport!! You have got to be a female. A man would be pissed by now.

please dont call it female

it gives the rest of us a bad name

@Angeles_ just because NuGNR took turns buttfucking you that does not make you special,that makes you a nasty fucking whore

AXL is part of the reason this forum is shutting the door, keep on alienating your fan base dickhead!This forum helped promote AXL,his band,and his shitty fucking album and this is the thanks we get,there is a forum where everybody kisses his ass and I guess that one, will be the only one left to promote his next shitty album

tons of love to you and all of the haters around here you need it

kisses baby

there r no haters, just realists

i dont expect you to know what that means

judging from your posts you sound brain dead

huge disappointment from a band i loved

but that band no longer exists and over the years ive seen Axl make a mockery of what was once great

releasing an awful album and going on cash grab tours with a cover band for a decade

what a waste

on the bright side of this place closing, people can make posts like this and not hear fuckwits telling them to go to another forum

i wish uk subs was here...

He's around even if he hasn't made it known yet.

i hope he says goodbye

lots of memories here............

most of them good and wont be forgotten

Maybe this legal action is, in actual factual actuality, the monumental promotion we've been promised all along!

chinese democracy starts now.

How's it working so far?

between this and a $1.99 cd, its working like a charm

The suit was filed a long time ago yet Chidem did not creep back onto the charts until Best Buy started basically giving them away so you claim that the suit helped promote the album does not hold any water..

i wasnt being serious......

another world tour couldnt bring cd out of the abyss

giving cd away for spare change i found in my couch was the way to go

imagine if lawsuits did coincide with sales, Axl would be on top of the charts

Maybe this legal action is, in actual factual actuality, the monumental promotion we've been promised all along!

chinese democracy starts now.

How's it working so far?

between this and a $1.99 cd, its working like a charm

no charges filed , no lawsuit

not many celebs can get away with slapping a photographer and get away with it

especially when convienantly caught on film

I remember speculation it what a set up

was good buzz to start a tour

Edit - fire marshall who pulled the plug on the Portland show

I didn't see Bumblefoot, Richard, Frank, or Tommy on my 50" plasma.

and you probably never will

i've spent a lifetime and a small fortune on "gnr." I do think axl owes me something. doesn't have to be free tunes, a reunion, or even a tour.

I just want him to acknowledge that he does have fans and that he didn't magically do all this by himself.

Axl didn't ask you or force you to '''spend a lifetime and a small fortune on "gnr" though.

sunny is just pointing out the obvious

all the talent in the world gets u nowhere without fans, and their money

It is interesting to me how some people here impose meaning on my posts to try to make them arrogant, condescending and holier than though in an effort to paint me as those things. Most seemed to get my point, some didn't. I didn't argue for the band, but for the fan. It is futile to want this band to behave the way you wish them to behave. When I say 'move on' I mean that perhaps they didn't earn your efforts on the subject of changing the way they operate (ie staying in the abusive relationship). Move on could mean to a band who listens and considers your opinion, or move on to another subject on this band, or move on and have a peanut butter sandwich. Who cares? Or don't move on. What is it with those words that got you two so riled up? But don't mistake that you gave the words the power to offend, not me. I use them a dozen times a day at least - move on to the dishes, move on to dinner, move on, move on, move on. There hopefully they have lost some of their offensive power.

it's not the words that pose the problem, just the arrogance that comes with thinking u have the right to offer unsolicited advice

not just u, since ur hardly the first person to come here n project such profound wisdom onto others

u are not being painted as anything, u just happen to be the last 1 to say it, ive seen u say it before, therefore the focus for this discussion

had the poster stated im currently unhappy with the band what should I do ur response would have been valid

but they didnt, they expressed an opinion which differed from yours

instead of debating the post u responded in a way that had nothing to do with it at all

thats what some have an issue with

if u dont care then save the advice for people u actually know n do care about, or take it yourself

Let me tell you that many of those old posters you are referring to stopped coming here because some were banned by someone on a power trip, or they stopped coming because they got sick of this place and of its stupid posters ( not all of them, obviously) or they just have a life and don´t have time to spend in here.

If you are a fan you are a fan because of the music not because of how much the artist talks or doesn´t talk. And the fact that people don´t spend too much time here defending the band or they stop coming doesn´t mean they stopped being fans.

yea all those reasons are true

except u forgot to mention the large demographic of people who left because they dont give a shit about Axl or his band anymore

n id argue fans obviously do appreciate when a band talks to them, the forums exploded when Axl came to chat

the mood of this place was the best its ever been, before or since

to think that a little more communication wouldnt make a positive impact on many fans is putting ur head in the sand

The problem is, you are fundamentally missing the whole point of the original post. What it says, is that its not respectful to make statements about whats happening with the band, and then go quiet. We aren't fucking children, we know that its in business, its not possible to always meet your deadlines. But what is expected, is some common courtesy. Its not difficult to make a statement apologising for a delay to something, or at least explaining what has happened to a degree. Axl Rose is just a human being, not a god. He is not exempt from showing the fundamental basics of humanity, such as showing some decency to those that have paid for his entire fucking life!

I really don't understand people like you, that advocate selfish behaviour as acceptable. Nobody is saying he has to meet his promises, just show some consideration to those who's hopes he got up, by apologising for whatever the delay might be, or explaining if it is something out of his control. Is it really so fucking difficult to do that?

Axl doesnt have a problem keeping in touch with fans by tweeting or signing autographs when hes touring n has tickets to sell for a show

so its not that hes incapable of showing people some courtesy

he chooses to do it only when it benefits him financially

Sorry, wasn't using "you" specifically, used it generally. There is nothing wrong with suggesting better ways the band could be doing things or disagreeing with some of the actions. After all, Axl said himself of his discussion with Spuffy "Friendly banter by those with opposing views. " But for some, expecting otherwise all the time doesn't make sense to me. When i say it's time to move on, I direct that to those people who feel fed up by the actions, or inactions, of this band and need more of a relationship with the bands they follow. With this band, it - ain't - going - to - change.

Yeah, well... we aren't going to stop the complain train either. The fans are presenting valid criticisms, and it's pretty mutual. You telling people to "move on" is kind of condescending and hypocritical. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong and should move on.

Moving on...

Condescending? Sorry you took it that way, wasn't delivered that way. Hypocrital? Don't think you can find much that I've posted that is constantly expecting something the band has never given - like doing things the way I want them to do it. Valid criticisms, if you re-read my post, you'll see that there is nothing wrong with suggesting better ways of doing things. So I can't say as I understand what you're talking about.

To me it would be no different expecting Axl to be on time and put out music every two or three years than to start bitching that he should have started a perfume line by now. He hasn't done it for the past 20 years, why expect it now? If it's that important to me I'd move on to another artist that is more in keeping with my expectations. I don't require anyone to move on, just don't understand why some don't.

Hey, you're the one that used the buzzword "Move On". There's a reason that argument, that phrase, that logic never worked to Groghan's advantage. It is condescending and I don't see how it isn't biased and myopic. It's a pretty arrogant thing to say to somebody that has an opinion. May as well tell them to shut up. And just saying at the axiomatic level that you weren't being condescending by saying "wasn't delivered that way" is still just your opinion, just really qualify your statement as neutral. You were being condescending. "Move On" is used now because d "mullet", "hater" over the years, and other dismissive identifiers have failed to really stereotype people that have a different point of view. It is very hypocritical. The "move on" mantra swings both ways like Andy Dick.

I'm not going to re-read your post. You said people should "move on" and that's that. Now you're saying you don't understand why people don't move on? Well that is just as insulting. Pretty close-minded. Pretty stupid really. Purely glib and dismissive of other people's intelligent thoughts.

Move On? No U.

I don't require anyone to move on, just don't understand why some don't.

What do you "require" people to do? You are arrogant. Maybe you can't see how your reflect from your perspective but that sentence alone is degrading.

have to agree

the whole moving on-find another band comes off condescending n judgemental

as if having hundreds or thousands of posts defending someone u dont know is a much better way to waste ones time on the internet

instead of debatng an opposing viewpoint they turn to psychoanalysis and offer advice on what one should do with their life

its quite hilarious actually

i could come up with my own opinions as to the type of people who come here day in and day out to praise a complete stranger who doesnt know them, respect them, or even like them , n offer some advice too

except iid rather discuss the topic than waste my time with the holier than thou attitude

the forums been around since 2002, u can prob count on a hand or two how many of the old posters still frequent here

defending Axl now isnt all that impressive after getting cd, a world tour n tweets, try doing that during 3 years of silence

of course Axl has alienated many fans over the years, his relationship with them could be much better

just because he doesnt owe us anything doesnt make that any less true

not sure why people who dont know him personally take that as an insult

as its always pointed out, Axl doent give a shit about u, whether its to bash him or defend him, were all gonna get the same treatment

swallowing koolaid doesnt earn anyone extra points

Nor does acting like an internet expert,my point was that just maybe the fans added to the rift,there have been unnecessarily cruel remarks made,

And I find it amazing you have psychic abilities to speak for people you don't even know,look at the shitty treatment some of the posters dealt the band members that actually showed up here,its not all one sided as some would have people think

u mean the same psychic abilities you possess to speak on behalf of Axl Rose?

if u only care about ur opinion why do other peoples opinions matter, no one is telling u to leave ur world of make believe

the few members who were rude to Ron dont represent all the people who arent happy with certain aspects of this band

much like the stalker in Axls kitchen doesnt represent all the fans who praise him blindly

the forums been around since 2002, u can prob count on a hand or two how many of the old posters still frequent here

defending Axl now isnt all that impressive after getting cd, a world tour n tweets, try doing that during 3 years of silence

of course Axl has alienated many fans over the years, his relationship with them could be much better

just because he doesnt owe us anything doesnt make that any less true

not sure why people who dont know him personally take that as an insult

as its always pointed out, Axl doent give a shit about u, whether its to bash him or defend him, were all gonna get the same treatment

swallowing koolaid doesnt earn anyone extra points

In the 40s/50s they did it all the time. But then again they had a higher family value and respect for what marriage is.

they also had housewives whose only skills were to cook clean and make babies

who were not encouraged to pursue higher education or find a job ,so they had to rely on their husbands for support

many of these women stayed in these marriages because they had no choice, not out of love

todays women are more independent educated and self sufficient

marrying at 18 sounds like a joke, in the states they cant even legally drink at their own wedding

if 2 people are in love whats the rush to get a piece of paper

you ladies do realize that they are plenty of INTELLIGENT woman today that dream of and want that lifestyle? Staying at home, cooking, cleaning, and raising the kids?

u realize I was responding to the poster who brought up family values and respect as the reasons marriages lasted in the '40's/50's?

i was pointing out many times it was out of necessity, not out of want or a lack of INTELLIGENCE

no argument some women desire that lifestyle today, men do too as the number of stay at home dads increases

but i personally dont know any who spent years of study and thousands of dollars in student loans with the sole purpose of obtaining a degree so they can stay home to cook n clean

In the 40s/50s they did it all the time. But then again they had a higher family value and respect for what marriage is.

they also had housewives whose only skills were to cook clean and make babies

who were not encouraged to pursue higher education or find a job ,so they had to rely on their husbands for support

many of these women stayed in these marriages because they had no choice, not out of love

todays women are more independent educated and self sufficient

marrying at 18 sounds like a joke, in the states they cant even legally drink at their own wedding

if 2 people are in love whats the rush to get a piece of paper

the so called price tag is used to maintain and repair the sidewalks

normally that would come out of taxpayers money

so yea, theres a good reason for the cost of getting one

which doesnt make it any less of an honor

theyre on these lists every year because of those legendary classic tunes

most likely the only music Guns will ever make to be on lists like this

Why are people bringing Slash into every topic in this section?

Slash hasn't been in Guns N' Roses for 15 year's. Wanna talk about Slash, there's a place called Former Gunner's.

might have to move this thread to that section too

Yeah I have such a reputation on here for hating on poor innocent Slash . Please point out where I denied saying he was an attention whore? I love what Slash did in old GN'R but he does alot of stuff just for attention now. I also love Axl but there is stuff he does that annoys the hell out of me too. So what?

Get over yourself. I made it very clear several times the intentions of this thread. I had no idea the loops people had to jump through to get in there. I thought it was like the rock and roll hall of fame were after a certain length of time you are eligible thats why I couldn't understand why one could and one couldn't.

no u need to get over yourself

poor little miss-understood

u wanted to know the process n ur question was answered

how much Axl doesnt do for charity (mentioning what he did for kids with Steph 20 years ago, is that a joke or were u actually trying to make some counter argument in relation to what Slash is doing now)

or talking how u think Slash was great in old Guns but is a media whore had fuck all to do with the topic u were so interested in

Slash acting like a cunt and getting verbally smacked down by W.A.R!!

u do know Axl later apologized for that and admitted he was wrong

theres a first (and last) time for everything

Bullshit. The first thing Slash says in the video is "It's called a clothing change", so how is Axl wrong? Slash said it.

Lets see a source for that, or GTFO.

AXL: Let me say something about us being at each others throats: We haven't

really been that way in the past year and a half. l love the guy. We're like

opposite poles of energy, and we balance each other out. We push each other

to work harder and complement each other that way. We had a run-in in Dayton

(Ohio), because both myself and Dougie thought he said something shitty to

me onstage. That was the night I cut my hand to the bone. Backstage we have

monitors much like the ones onstage; and while l was back there dealing with

my hand, I thought I heard him take a potshot at me. I wrapped my hand up in

a towel and was like, "Lets get it taken care of, so l can finish the show."

I came back onstage and was a dick to him and told him I'd kick his fucking

ass in front of 20,000 people. That was fucked up. l was wrong, and l

apologized the second l realized I was mistaken. Someone who is supporting

me as strongly as he does is a hand I never want to bite.

why dont you GTFO

Slash acting like a cunt and getting verbally smacked down by W.A.R!!

u do know Axl later apologized for that and admitted he was wrong

theres a first (and last) time for everything

Well if you are going to make the gesture than why not give the whole lot to charity? I don't know the full amount but he is very rich and famous why not give all the proceeds to charity?

I don't know what Axl gives to charity but I doubt he is the type to run around telling us all about it. Even when the media reported him visiting the childrens cancer unit it came across as very low key.

Alot of celebrities do that, alot of famous footballers come to our local hospital on a regular basis. This is never shouted from the rooftops, the only reason I know is because I know someone who works in the hospital. Also, my cousin works in a hospital where stars like Colin Farrell spend Christmas day with the sick.

ur making assumptions u have no clue about

maybe we dont hear about Axls charity work because there is none except for a photo op at a hospital 4 years ago

see how easy it is to sound like a complete idiot just to stir stupid shit without knowing what ur saying?

going to visit a hospital isnt the same as writing out a check

Slash promoted the auction and charity to bring attention to it and hopefully others will donate as he is

he could have kept the things he donated and sold them on ebay or to private collectors for his own personal profit

or donated only 1% of the proceeds, its still more than youve done or ever will ever do in ur lifetime

of all the fucking things to pick on, this is indeed the most pathetic ive seen

What the hell are you talking about? I make assumptions, you make assumptions, we all make assumptions on here because none of us know what really goes on. I made it clear I didn't know I'm just guessing and speculating just like 99% of the things that are discussed on here.

What Axl did for charity was asked and I responded. You saying what I do is worthless because I'm not loaded? I do what I can and if I was rich and had the opportunity I'd do a lot more. How rude of you to belittle what I do with my resources.

I am sick of repeating myself. I don't know what Slash gave I was talking about rumours and asking if they were true. All i said was that I'd be disappointed if it was true.

I give up. I never started ranting or anything like that I was asking questions thats all. Everything I said was made sound like I was attacking when all I did was wonder.

theres no assumptions to be made about what Slash did for this charity, we know

the only assumptions now is if Axl has done anything besides a pit stop at a hospital several years ago

questioning WHY he only gave 30 % and putting in the snide remarks about being a media whore is an attack no matter how you want to back peddle now

ur not very subtle so if u want to dish the shit, u better be able to take it too

Well if you are going to make the gesture than why not give the whole lot to charity? I don't know the full amount but he is very rich and famous why not give all the proceeds to charity?

I don't know what Axl gives to charity but I doubt he is the type to run around telling us all about it. Even when the media reported him visiting the childrens cancer unit it came across as very low key.

Alot of celebrities do that, alot of famous footballers come to our local hospital on a regular basis. This is never shouted from the rooftops, the only reason I know is because I know someone who works in the hospital. Also, my cousin works in a hospital where stars like Colin Farrell spend Christmas day with the sick.

ur making assumptions u have no clue about

maybe we dont hear about Axls charity work because there is none except for a photo op at a hospital 4 years ago

see how easy it is to sound like a complete idiot just to stir stupid shit without knowing what ur saying?

going to visit a hospital isnt the same as writing out a check

Slash promoted the auction and charity to bring attention to it and hopefully others will donate as he is

he could have kept the things he donated and sold them on ebay or to private collectors for his own personal profit

or donated only 1% of the proceeds, its still more than youve done or ever will ever do in ur lifetime

of all the fucking things to pick on, this is indeed the most pathetic ive seen

videos are still extremely important these days....................ever hear of youtube?

Youtube brought BuckCherry back from the dead with their "Crazy Bitch" video which had over 2 million hits.......All Axl has to do is come up with a catchy song people want to watch.........

Yes, you're both right about YouTube, but I would have to go watch a video I want to see instead of passively watching videos and having one come up that I am not really aware of. I guess you could get it included on some kind of channel on YouTube. The new marketing for videos, and music, I suppose.

u make it sound like too much work

people spend more n more time on their phones and laptops than in front of a tv these days anyway

plus u get to search n see the videos u want from who u want, not what artist mtv was told to promote at the time