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Oh I see, so because you're a "sales associate" at Best Buy, that makes you credible, is that the case Black Sabbath?
I also love the bit about "one of my good friends from work who has been there [blah blah blah]." That was just priceless.
It's good to know that minimum wage sales clerks are privvy to such detailed information about business contracts.
Best Buy, the store where their "geek squad" is told to charge customers exorbitant fees for data recovery if the customer says the data is super valuable and irreplaceable. Yup, that's right, variable pricing depending on how freaked out you are that your harddrive crashed. Guess who I heard that from? My friend that works there. Except in this case that's verifiable from any scam artist (i mean "employee") of geek squad.
"The Geek Squad insiders" must be a super-secret assembly like the Illuminati, I wonder if the cleaning crew is privvy to this
"super secret information? If they are initiated into the "Best buy secret society, wonder if they have "decoder rings" I find this entire post highly improbable,thanks for the laugh!
not sure what the geek squad has to do with the topic
the same people who whine like little girls when Slash is mentioned to derail discussion of the op
what was it that made the defense mechanism go into high gear?
talks started long before it was announced? future albums will be exclusive to bb?
or Axl wanted more $$$ for the different cds and it now costs less to purchase than a large cup of coffee?
i wonder..................
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Who cares about videos. Aren't they dead? I switch onto the video stations once in a while (MuchMusic, MTV) and all that is ever on are reality shows.
Videos are far from dead. How popular is radio these days?
videos are still extremely important these days....................ever hear of youtube?
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yay for Axl still being able to make money
Unlike $la$h, axl isn't in it for the money
then why doesn't he change the name?
Edit: We know why. CD would sell even less, and he would be touring high schools.
u think hed be headlining Rio as Axl Rose + Friends / The Axl Rose Vision / Axl and his Band of Studio Musicians?
yea, prob not
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i want to know what is going on with "guns n roses", but it doesn't mean I enjoy, "what's going on", when i find out; coming here doesn't mean I love (as the op asked), the drama (as most my opinions/post suggest); None of the drama that has went on over the last 15 years or so, paint this band in a positive light. I don't enjoy seeing one of my fave bands distinegrate and become a parody; i've just learned to accept it and if it all went away, that would be cool with me. I would still come here everyday.
can you idiots comprehend that.
Well they're not a parody, so you have nothing to worry about.
the us disagrees.
You speak for the whole country? I didn't know.
"the US disagrees? either you are attempting to speak for an entire country,or your name is "Sybil"
I'm from the US, and I alway's disagree with what SunnyDre has to say. Especially his biased opinion on New GN'R and Chinese Democracy.
key word in your post being OPINION
Im from the US and i happen to agree with sunny
for the most part there are facts to back him up
no US tour this year, the album didnt sell well in the states, "06 tour did not sell out most of the venues, shows were cancelled and the tour was cut short with the excuse of finishing an album........that took another 2 years to get out
the shenanigans surrounding this band makes them a punchline for the media, fans, and well respected artists in the industry
like some others have said, it was cool when Axl was in his 20's when they were releasing music, videos, and on top of their game
now its sad to see a guy pushing 50 who needs regular prostate exams at his age and still trying to pull the same shit
Axl makes the news here because he bit a security guard, hes fodder for a soft drink company or hes filing another lawsuit, not because of his music
if he was all about integrity like some claim, it would be about the music, not the ridiculous drama he creates for himself
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its just a band some im not gonna keep arguing over it, but for me and a lot of other people. A band isn't just a name. Its about the music they create. im sorry, but CD is honestly one of the worst rock ablums ive ever heard. Theres no way I could ever associate just a pile of hogshit to Guns N' Roses. As far as Im concerned, GNR was stricken with cancer when izzy and steven left, and it died when slash left.
Funny how is this argument continues in virtually every thread, in every section, every day.
But, here's the thing I don't understand. You say Chinese Democracy is garbage. Why? The lyrics, the guitar, the vocal's? Nah, probably because you listened to it with a hard-headed thought process of "there's no Slash, this has got to suck." "This isn't Guns N' Roses!" Your comparing two different bands. It's like comparing The Beatles to AC/DC. Two completely different sound's. Sure, the name's the same. But, th bandmates have changed and moved on with their lives. Sure, it may not be the GN'R of 1985-1993, but it's damn good if given a chance. Which sadly alot of people are not because "THERES NO SLASH!!!"
What I did, is I listened to Chinese Deomcracy like any other Rock record. I loved it. Sure, Slash is gone, it's not the old band. But how can you say song's like Better, Madagascar, There Was a Time, and Chinese Demcracy are horrible?
The cancer of Guns N' Roses effected GN'R in June of 1985, and was cured and treated October of 1996.
Thats it, two completely different bands. Thanks for making my point. Now if someone would tell Axl that...But you coudlnt be more wrong on the rest of it. I was in the BB parking lot the very day CD came out totally freaked out of my mind waiting for the next GNR CD. To me i know it wouldnt be the same, but god damn it Axl was on there and thats all I cared about for the time being. When I listened to it, I couldnt believe what I heard. Axl sounded like crap all throughout the cd. The songs were just boring, no good melodies or solos. The lyrics werent catchy or interesting in any way. It was a complete let down, cant even describe how much of a let down it was. Ive been a huge GNR fan since before middle school and have waited and waited for a new GNR cd, and just for this? seriously? Use Your Illusions takes a huge diarrhea shit all over this thing. I understand you like it, thats cool but I dont like a single song on that album. Catcher in the rye and better were so-so but the rest were just painful to listen to. I had to force myself to finish listening to those songs. Its been sitting in my dresser drawer for over 2 years now.
Yep, two different bands.
Axl know's it' a different band. In the "Axl's homework" essay he posted on here 2 year's ago, he said "I look at this band as nuGNR, and the old one as OldGNR." It's a different band with totaly different musician's besides one. But, unfortunely for the oldGNR fan's, Slash and Duff willingly signed over the name (whether inotixcated or not, they did), so the name Guns N' Roses is his to use at his expense.
And, see as though he got a new band to play with him, who are great musician's and I hope can write andm ake a record with Axl in the future, why just all the sudden stop using the name? In respect to Slash? A guy he has a buring hatred for becuase of Slash's manipulative way's? Nope.
Have you noticed over the past few years, since CD has been released the "New GN'R" label has kind of drifted away. It seems more like the new band just wants to be known as "GN'R".
It is GNR,it is 2011,not 1990's, and if perchance you were to actually get the "alumni" onstage together,there is little or no chance that the "magic" would be there,I've been to numerous shows in 2010 and I see that chemistry and magic,better musicians,and what they will write together nobody can judge,only speculate,I'm still convinced CD is an excellent album, musically and lyrically,and am chomping at the proverbial bit to hear more from Guns N' Roses! slash quit of his own volation,as did duff,and the contract stipulated IF the band were to disband,the name would remain with axl,I've seen the AFD lineup, as well as the Chidem 2010 lineup,slash is not missed at all,get over it.
ur not seeing GNR ur seeing Axl tour with whoever hasnt quit ot been fired yet
its a band name, not a band, do u know the difference?
seeing every lineup since AFD doesn't make u some sort of expert
whats next, u going to brag that u saw Axl sing in the church choir too
saying Slash isnt missed is naive, there would be no GNR today if it wasnt for the music he helped Axl make
what exactly was Axl doing before Slash joined the band? he didnt get that record label contract all by himself, no one was tripping over themselves to sign him until Slash came along,
u give one person way too much credit
n for the record, u didnt see the Chinese Democracy lineup in 2010, nice try
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No. A far too lenient approach in terms of allowing an attention seeker to flirt with the idea of releasing contentious documents in relation to this band with so called fans of Guns N' Roses. The forum allowed its “credibility” to take precedence over its proud association with GN'R. Discussing potentially productive rumors is one thing, fueling malicious intentions is another.
No what the mods did was to take a fair approach, maintain the policy of not trying to censor fans while monitoring the situation,
allow an open discussion as theyve done since the inception of this forum
long before you graced it
its association with GNR, however proud it is in your opinion, would mean nothing without the membership that keeps both this board and band alive
its not the forums credibility that was compromised but that of the band who decided to use strong arm tactics as opposed to a simple email or pm request, as they have done in the past
continue to play monday morning quarterback with how the mods should have handled the situation
see the beauty of it...........or is it irony
theyll actually let you voice ur opinion
M.S.L himself conceded the destructive potential of the documentation. The measures GN'R took to suppress their release (band member responses, the legal team offering M.S.L quite a significant sum of “hush money”, threatening MyGN'R etc.) all point to the seriousness of the files.MSL conceded that. u mean the guy u identified as an attention seeker in the above post
is there proof of hush money or is that just another rumor u want to perpetuate
along with the severity of documents u have never seen
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I am not at all surprised that Guns N' Roses threatened MyGN'R with a legal document. In my opinion during the M.S.L saga the powers that be took a far too lenient approach to what was effectively a situation which could have potentially led to the destruction of “new” GN'R. Of course GN'R may not have informed the the mod. team of the legitimacy of M.S.L's claims (and I accept that point) but history has shown that Laurent's antics are to be taken seriously (and met with precaution). I dare say certain aspects of the staff got caught up in the hysteria of it all.
a far too lenient approach........ in other words, allowing their members to discuss current events without censoring and immediately deleting threads?
there are other forums out there that arent as lenient, perhaps a reason their membership is so much smaller
its also the same leniency that allowed Axl to verbally assault an admin, or Ron to defend himself as he saw fit
there is still no shred of proof that the alleged docs could have potentially destroyed the band
as opposed to just causing some embarrassment over personal information if released
other than an attorney letter advising in essence, they do not want members of the board to talk about rumors
ironic considering rumors are what has fueled this band more than actual facts for the better part of the last 15 or more years
certainly for the sake of fans and message boards alike, lets hope this doesnt set a dangerous precedent regarding future discussions allowed
be it rumors or otherwise
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young_gun is getting owned all over the place.
Oh yeah, im devastated i could not sway a bunch of ass-kissers such as yourself, truly mortified
i personally agree with what ur saying
people can explain defend and rationalize Rons comments all they want, doesnt make them right
ultimately its Rons own words that speak for themselves
not sure why they think they they can talk on his behalf, as if following his tweets, reading interviews, or meeting him for 10 mins after a show somehow gives them special insight to know the mans tru persona when hes not being a showman playing to an audience
he had every right to defend himself but at the same time
some have every right to be offended
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You know how you can always tell someone is using a proxy server/ip scrambler?
Because all their
posts cut off mid-sentence
onto another line just
like the one above.
That is really interesting. I had no idea since I do not utilize a proxy server /ip scrambler, if that is what you were not so subtly hinting at. I type that way because it is quicker and I am usually pressed for time. Thank you for mentioning it however. It is one of those useless pieces of information that I might be able to pull out at a party someday.
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It's not hard at all, but some people around this board in particular seem to believe the band owes them something, and should be run the way they see fit, which is total BS. So I guess the one thing that annoys me most about the band is its fans, or the "we're not really fans we just like to cupcake" segment.
the one thing that annoys me are the people who think they can define what a fan is
ur a fan n someone who has a different view is labeled a cupcake-thats the only thing here that is total BS
these so called cupcakes were the only people who kept this band alive and relevant through years of nothing on these boards
they didnt hop on the gravy train just because Guns finally decided to do a tour or release an album or a leak turned up
n these so called cupcakes dont express their opinions out of feeling Axl owes them anything
they remember when this was the best fuckin band in the world
when they were making music not excuses, when they were giving interviews not hiding behind gag orders, when their albums were topping charts for months not tumbling off them after a week
u want to diss on people n u dont even understand what theyre doing
its not about feeling owed for shit its about knowing the band they loved could do so much better and rooting for them to do just that
stroking an ego n blindly agreeing with everything they say without question doesnt make one a bigger fan
makes them mindless sheep who cant come up with an original thought except to call another person a cupcake or tell em to find another band
give urself a pat on the head, good job for coming up with that
That's all well and good, but most of it is idealized bullshit. And it perfectly demonstrates how some fans, including yourself, have concocted this rationale for being assholes all the time. Let me tell you something: AXL DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT. He doesn't give a fuck about what OTHER PEOPLE want. He controls his own destiny, and he's made it pretty fuckin clear how things are going to be. So you and others can keep holding on to the "good ol days" and can constantly remind people how you like original 5 or the UYI lineup, and how things used to be. But you're living in the past. And you've watched the Blues Brothers one too many times. "We're getting the band back together. We're on a mission from God." Seriously that's how it comes off. When I first came to this board, hel-l I was all about "puttin the band back together." But then as I learned more and more, I grew to accept the REALITY of the current state of affairs. And it wasn't that hard. I can still dig it- I can still dig GNR. And the REALITY is Axl is saying "Fuck you" to anybody who thinks that just because they want something to happen, he should want it to happen too.
So while you may try to spin things (bravo, by the way) and call some fans "mindless sheep," the truth is SOME FANS HAVE GOTTEN OVER IT, and are digging the new albums and new tours and internet messageboard rants from their favorite GNR members. Is that so hard to understand? Is that so hard to believe? And yes I will give you credit where credit is due- there are ass-licking yes-men and sycophants galore. But I got news for ya buddy, those people are everywhere when it comes to successful entities in the public arena. So anyway, you'll have to excuse some people if they get irritated by faux-righteous motherfuckers (who indeed are fans, in a way) who live only to perpetuate their love of the old days, and their bitterness for the new days on others. It gets old. It gets annoying. And y'know what? There are some punks on this board who are stereotyped debbie downers (google it). It's not that hard to look at the positive, and enjoy what's going on nowadays.
Sure, can criticisms be made? Yes. Is it ok to point out how you feel to other fans, even if your view differs from theirs? Yes. But what's not ok is constantly shitting on everything and trolling internet messageboards incessantly in some vain hope that they might actually influence decision making for Axl and GNR. It gets old. It really does. It gets old. And yes ya know what? You're right: gushers are almost just as annoying as haters, but there is a middle ground, you know. There's a way to convey your opinions in rational, thoughtful ways. There is indeed a way to be be open-minded and not behave like some fuckin spiteful robot on autopilot hating on everything. Ya dig?
not idealized bullshit, its one persons opinion, accept it or not, who cares really
save the lecture on what Axl wants or doesnt want
supporting him on a message board doesnt make u his spokesman
sure he doesnt give a shit about the naysayers
realize he doesnt give a shit about the ass kissers either
i dont give a fuck what anyones agenda is
u want to praise everything he does n doesnt do
or u want to point out the flaws, none of it matters other than getting to express ur thoughts on a particular subject without being labled
people like YOU and others are what perpetuates the rifts between fans
as if u found the secret to a long n happy life
there are extremes on both sides of the fence, but for the most part neither last long on a forum
yea, i dig middle ground, dont know if u were implying thats where u stand since ive never bothered reading any of ur posts before
being a fan of the old band isnt about living in the past n definitely not some faux-riteousness....lol where do people come up with this shit
its appreciating how we got here even if some people would rather forget
that band was on top, they made some good fuckin albums, why in the hell would i want to forget about music i still enjoy today?
its like saying i know you like chocolate ice cream, but youve like it since u were 12, get over it time to start liking vanilla
we may express varying views on an internet forum, but we are at the same shows and buying the same merch like u and everyone else
ultimately, that may be the best and most important support anyone can give to a band
not 3 paragraphs on what you think is a fan
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It's not hard at all, but some people around this board in particular seem to believe the band owes them something, and should be run the way they see fit, which is total BS. So I guess the one thing that annoys me most about the band is its fans, or the "we're not really fans we just like to cupcake" segment.
the one thing that annoys me are the people who think they can define what a fan is
ur a fan n someone who has a different view is labeled a cupcake-thats the only thing here that is total BS
these so called cupcakes were the only people who kept this band alive and relevant through years of nothing on these boards
they didnt hop on the gravy train just because Guns finally decided to do a tour or release an album or a leak turned up
n these so called cupcakes dont express their opinions out of feeling Axl owes them anything
they remember when this was the best fuckin band in the world
when they were making music not excuses, when they were giving interviews not hiding behind gag orders, when their albums were topping charts for months not tumbling off them after a week
u want to diss on people n u dont even understand what theyre doing
its not about feeling owed for shit its about knowing the band they loved could do so much better and rooting for them to do just that
stroking an ego n blindly agreeing with everything they say without question doesnt make one a bigger fan
makes them mindless sheep who cant come up with an original thought except to call another person a cupcake or tell em to find another band
give urself a pat on the head, good job for coming up with that
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LOL@This new argument as to why CD did catch on in the states.
It's not a theory to explain “Chinese Democracy's” lack of mainstream success. I'm simply legitimizing another States tour behind “Chinese Democracy” (considering only half of the songs have been played there (Sturgis aside)).
legitimize it for who, fans or the band?
playing 1 or 2 songs from an album over 2 years old on the third US Chinese Democracy tour wont sell extra tickets
n it comes off looking nothing more than a cash grab for Axl
the album didnt sell here, was never heard on the radio, last thing Americans want are more songs played at a show from an album they didnt like or support
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the album will finally be released the proper way
But I just don´t get it.
People know what Chinese Democracy is. I have been able to buy it on my local gas station for many years now.
A CD-re-release is just utter stupidness. Come on! Guns N Roses have been on a Chinese Democracy tour for over 10 years. It´s time to let go!
Didn't Axl already say that they weren't re-releasing CD?
yea he also said there were no concrete plans nor were there ever for a tour
that was only 4 days ago
maybe dj didnt see that tweet
expecting Rons tweet soon telling us to forget it
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I dunno...
Maybe it's not the three guitarists thing, but...If you listen to like the 1999 demos of IRS, TWAT, etc, they're great, and then go compare them to the record versions...it just feels like the life has been sucked out of them. The music feels cluttered in that you can't tell who's playing what. There's so many parts and layers that it's not like a straight blend, it's like a slice and dice of different guitarists playing different parts which might've been recorded five years apart. It's muddled and overly layered and it just feels pieced together, not organic in it's sound. I can't quite explain it.
agree with u
i also like the more simplistic cleaner approach of the earlier demos
more than the finished product
having all those people works live on a large stage though
like being at the circus theres always something to keep ur attention
but the lack of fluidity on the album with all the layers is overkill n i never found it pleasing
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I would never sign.
MSL may have a quest for attention but that doesn't cloud my vision nor discount the strong possibility that alleged wrongs hadn't been committed. Buckethead getting a quarter of % royalties--what kind of contract was signed? I want it all to leak out of respect for the band members.
this
been hearing for years Axl doesnt owe us anything
suddenly we now owe him?
we didnt steal anything, if anything was actually stolen that is
people are picking what parts of the stories the want to believe
why would reading documents or listening to songs cloud my judgement about the band
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1. makes no sense
money is what offers him the lavish lifestyle, without it he cant live where he does and pay all those people to hangout with him
id wager he also gets alot of free perks for being famous, not everything he enjoys is out of pocket expense
2. havent heard anything about fines in recent memory dont know if venues still have those rules or force em
plug was pulled at Reading for just that reason, to avoid fines
3.lawsuits dont cost much to file
expense comes when it goes to trial
when was the last time Axl was actually in court, things have a way of disappearing beforehand
n according to the last set of court papers Beta was the one negotiating the deal with Activision, not high powered, charge by the hour, legal counsel
4.making music n videos dont always guarantee money for artists they can have an adverse affect n potentially ruin careers
last time GNR were paraded in front of cameras were at the 02 VMA's.
didn't turn out so well for em, did it
5. seems obvious to me that he tours when he needs cash
this last one especially he didnt even bother touring in his own country
he went to other places where he knew fans would flock to see GNR n where they still have popularity
playin festivals to 40 or 50,000 people makes u more money than playin for 5 or 10,000 Americans in an arena
6.like someone else mentined Slash n Duff have a say in what he can do with original Guns material, which if were being honest is the only things worth promoting
he also sold out to Sanctuary for 25 mil giving up his publishing rights to past and future material
not about the money?..........
7.he already got his $$$ deal from Best Buy
plus leaks, illegal downloads, and streamin the album free on myspace
how many more copies of Cd would have sold if he went out and did interviews
he didnt promote GH either but that album is still selling n on charts, u think he doesnt know that?
8. a regurgitation of whats already been said
self promotion can backfire especially if you dont have somethin to offer that appeals to a majority
Cd wasnt embraced by the general public, radio stations stopped playin any songs from it immediately n it dived off the charts
no amount of Slash bashing or replacement guitarist praising will change people liking his new music if they dont
n it wont make him any more money
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wttj is a brilliant opener
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i think Axl did what he set out to do
finally released the mythical album and toured under the name he owns
theres nothing left to prove, to himself anyway, fans dont count
id say yes its done
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tis cool good job
still waiting for the official one anyday now.............
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i hope you become a post whore, this place needs more of those
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any idea whats that gonna look like when ur 60? woulda been cute on ur hip or back, on the arm not so much
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NEW GNR DOESHNT PLAY ENOUGH SHONGSH! FUCK YOU ACKSHEL
thought most complaints were about the number of chinese democracy songs/ new material played, not about the number of songs in general................
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I respect any human that takes care of their pets.
agree
still my preference are dogs
more social loyal n playful
they dont call them mans best friend for no reason
Guns N' Roses victory!
in 2011
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sorry u cant compare him to Paul McCartney, or Ozzy, or Sting, hell even someone like Beyonce for example
they all have their own impressive solo catalog, can put on a show without playing one single song from their previous affiliations and still sell out stadiums on their own
Axl without the Guns name would be what Baz is today, an opening act with a backup band of no names singing a few new songs no one knows or cares about and relying mostly on past glory