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Who can cringe the most watching this........
 

The set list is a pot they pick from , there's been alt songs on them forever and a day including HS last time

4 hours ago, StayofExecution2020 said:

Ok, Boomer.

Never seen that pathetic phrase by people who have no argument they can articulate be used in such a irrelevant manner before 🤣 go on I'll give you the punchline, say it again to this.  🤦‍♂️

3 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

My response wasnt about the virus. My response was about TB stealing  frans image ( afd cross with the masks) and putting on the official gnr twitter as official gnr design without a credit to frans. Its not the first time TB has done this. 

Get some perspective......

 

The image of the AFD cross that was created by... Ooh hang on let me take my blinkers off for a second..

6 hours ago, yourcrazy said:

Here in the states if you didn’t know that more died, you’d think it was just Kobe.  Hardly even a mention of the 8 others.  There was another family who lost the mom, dad and daughter leaving an  orphaned sister behind.  This tragedy involved more that the Bryant’s.  

Yeah they did flash a photo of all of them at the end, they were regular citizens who dont have a load of imagery that can be used in the same way. 

We are here..

4 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Just to very quickly nip this one in the bud:

It WASN'T TB who have said or done anything racist. No one is suggesting they have, so best to clear that up. 

 

 

1 minute ago, ©GnrPersia said:

FOUR STEP SOLUTION TO END THIS CIRCUS:

 

STEP 1. TB to Pack N' GO (Axl to settle this cult somewhere far away from Malibu) [Urgent]

STEP 2. UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP to assign a professional manager like Peter Mensch (Metallica)

STEP 3. The new manager to lock the band members up in a compound studio+bedrooms and give them a deadline of 1 month to record together whatever the shit they have. They did it with Black Sabbath for album 13 and it worked.*

STEP 4. Provide press with a concrete release deadline

--

*Step 3 includes ALL band members. Axl is no exception.

LOL 

So how comes tribute bands like this pile of dog excrement can stay up when the music isn't theirs ? I love how the Jerry Sadowitz look alike on guitar is playing a different song to everyone else  half the time and the fake USA accent of the singer, oh my days 

all 

4 hours ago, Gibson_Guy87 said:

Off-topic but where do you suggest I start with them? I've heard The Wall, obviously, but there's a lot of material to work through aside from that.

Pulse

ps fucking appropriate track for this thread LOL

Dreadful site that's gone down the tubes with its negativity and click baiting to try fill the gaps. A band doesn't have daily news like a news network would have so I guess they are click baiting to stay in $$.

Have tried to block it coming up on Google for myself and YouTube but that's easier said than done just to not have to look at the rubbish they write/say, look forward to the day it's gone.

ps If you are watching GnR Central, go find something better to do. 

4 hours ago, Ratam said:

I understand that he said, but i don't know which assesment he refered.

Vengeance, danger etc the guy is an idiot not a rampaging psycopath they need to pander too because they are scared of him , oh my days, so much drama 🤣

3 hours ago, Ratam said:

I think that TB should fix now things with this guy, because now in his twitter have people that want vengeanse against Axl and TB and trying hang up with Rick..... this is a dangerous way.

Not a bizarre statement at all...

7 hours ago, lukepowell1988 said:

The autism is strong with this one .. 

Yeah but no but yeah

1 hour ago, shotsfired cro said:

throw out Wichita, Madagascar, Chinese, Better, Seeker..., put in Dead Horse, Pretty tied up, Breakdown, Garden of Eden, Michelle, Out ta get me...and you would have almost perfect setlist.

Also Right next door, Perfect crime, Bad Apples, Don't damn me...

Kick out covers, replace AFD for AFD and add UYI's.

Madagascar is great as is Better especially with the Slash twist. No way is he managing Eden or Don't Damn Me live !!!!!!!

11 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I'm not sure why the need for such a harsh tone, but anyways.. 

When you say "do you research", do you mean that now I need to study before talking about this in a message board? 

I too came from the 80s. So you can guess my age and how I do not have time to include references and sources on every single opinion I have. Much less every single link you provided. But let's get The Guardian's article: they quote a report by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI). Their metodology's discription only talks about sample and demographic reach, but we don't know how it was conducted nor the content of the form/interviews. It's a report made for the record industry about how the record industry is suffering. The quote from the CIO in that report: "Record companies continue to develop, support and invest in music, playing a crucial role in ensuring that it continues on its exciting journey". I don't know about you, but I find this extremely questionable. They are considerable less necessary now and act more as gatekeepers. The new independent artists can reach a lot more people now without any big corporate behind it eating a large fee for every single piece of their work, including live performances. 

If the quality of the music scene today is not good, dont blame on piracy. The companies always maximize their profits by raising their margins, development of new and edgy artists were never a priority. They only have more control over the artists now. They demand songs to have chorus-verses-chorus structure. They demand the chorus to be written in the VI-IV-I-V chord progression. Even though bands like The Beatles, with several #1 singles on Billboard, only had one #1 hit with this very same progression (Let it Be). Dont tell me this is the only possible way to make a song profitable enough.

Of course I know about torrents. For albums? I dont have any report to back it up, but I assume they are irrelevant because it's not something needed (any file sharing service can handle a regular album) nor was it ever somehting as popular as things like Napster, Kazaa and the likes. This thing about torrent is not important however, I just wanted to point out. For developing countries like Brazil, tho, where the fixed broadband is only available for like 50% of the population (and still with assimetric distribution), this is not an option. DVDs and pendrives with MP3 are the majority of illegal music here. And one could still argue that, if not for the illegal access, a lot of those people would just move on and not consume the music at all.

 

But yeah, did I say every single album out there is entire shit? Did I say no one download music illegaly? Did I say artists dont suffer from people "stealing" their work?

When I said "embrace the Internet", I was talking about what the music business is now. I don't care who's fault was, Guns N' Roses as an entity is still making money out of this. They cant just ignore the new dynamics just because they came from another era when artists and record labels were a multimillionare industry (does an artist really need to be that rich anyways?). They got fucked by leaks, they can either ignore it, try to overcome it and profit with it somehow, or cause a PR fuck up. GNR chose this last one. 

But since you were so kind in doing a research for me, I recommend this video with a new and relevant artist (dont worry, it's not about the quality of her music) and how her strategy works in the current industry environment: 

 

 

Sales data matey. Facts not opinions.

We are so off track here, bottom line, that stuff was not Rick or anyone elses to leak. They knew exactly what they were doing. The band should not now have to do anything in response in terms of music release. This is exactly the same as movies leaking. If a band chooses to do a release campaign that looks like leaks or similar, that's a whole other ball game

11 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

He says he didn't leak anything, so I truly don't know what happened. 

Back onto the topic of the attention seeking guy, not only does he rustle up $15k for music , drive 19 hours (none of this smacks of innocent behaviour) when challenged, rather than be concerned or eat a bit of humble pie, he baits the band and runs around self promoting what a big shot he is. I dont know whether he leaked anything or not, but he doesn't seem innocent and if he keeps prodding he may find himself having to explain himself in court.

35 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I'm not saying the leaks are good or legal for the band. But it happens either they like it or not, so what they should do AFTER that is embrace the internet.

But since you brought the Napster thing: who do you know that still download illegal mp3 for regular commercial available music? Nobody gives a shit anymore about that, everyone can just use Spotify / Apple Music / YouTube or whatever. Music is more readly available and democratic than ever. I dont know about you, but I came from when you had to buy an entire album (and that wasnt cheap!) just because you liked one song. Often, it happens that the rest of the album were shit. The solution was to record cassete tapes with friends, but this is very limited in both quality and reach for new music. 

And I'm not even talking about how unfair and greedy were the labels. The artist wasn't the victim of what Napster did with the music industry, it was only the corporate side of incredibly greedy companies. This excact mentality is still behind the music industry, and that's why you complain about shit music (often tailored to an algorithm to catch short-attention spam kids on over-the-top plataforms) and concert tickets price.

They embrace the internet within the parameters they should, not in a manner where bootlegs of private material get leaked by chancers, that's not the internet that's the wild west.

Why do you think Apple Music/Spotify all exist and the artists now make fuck all on record sales ? I came from the 80's so i know all about standing in line to buy a new record, recording off thee radio, all that stuff. The artist absolutely was the victim of Napster, A&R is now fucked, record label investment in artist development is now fucked, a #1 record meaning anything like it used to is now fucked.  Everything is about a quick buck, low spend, look at music videos these days vs what used to be the norm, money got sucked out of the industry, it has been redistributed to the elite through touring and merchandising, VIP' tours, meet & greets etc etc. Oh i know what i am talking about because this is my industry. And who do i know still downloading things illegally ? Ever heard of torrents ?  Your generalisations are incredulous. Entire albums shit, no one downloading illegally, artists not suffering from people stealing their work, please do your research before interjecting . 

https://ibb.co/C9XMVHr

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/music-industry-sales/

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/oct/09/more-than-one-third-global-music-consumers-pirate-music

https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/11/17963804/music-modernization-act-mma-copyright-law-bill-labels-congress

https://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/the-200-best-albums-of-the-1980s/

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/100-best-albums-of-the-90s-152425/

1 hour ago, Voodoochild said:

You know what? You're right. Axl had a clear no-camera policy before. He had to accept it now that everyone has a camera in their pockets. It's time for the band to move on and embrace the Internet - and I'm not talking about giving the songs for free on MySpace, but trully explore the possibilities of new business models. Leaks happen, the way you deal with that is just offer an easy and official way to consume the same product.

This isn't embracing the internet, embracing the internet doesn't mean ignoring the rule of law, taking someone elses unfinished IP and deciding to distribute it because you want to, without the consent of the creator is just outrageous. Remember what Napster did to the music industry and revenues on music sales, then you all bitch why music on the most part is so absolute shit these days and concert tickets so high, why there are merch grabs everywhere too..... There are repercussions to these types of thoughts.

9 hours ago, Duwz said:

I literally never saw that happen, lol

I used to get into festivals when I was underage because I grew a beard at 16, and I knew they wouldn't give a fuck about IDs

Yeah now you're showing ID , RFID tracking as you go from section to section, places like Coachella all are doing this already, Download to name a few. Even cashless festivals using RFID and linked to your own festival profile are all the rage these days.  This kinda stuff

https://musicfestivalsrfid.com/

8 hours ago, guitarpatch said:

He better have a motive here....otherwise this is utterly stupid to announce 

Baiting for more publicity, he needs to be starved of the publicity oxygen he's attempting to obtain

5 minutes ago, Arnuld said:

Have you been to a festival? It’s 50k ppl and multiple acts. They have no facial recognition at the gates. Trust me if Rick wanted to attend Exit 111 or ACL he could. 

Yup many, they tend to take photo ID to obtain the wristband to gain access.

5 minutes ago, Arnuld said:

Have you been to a festival? It’s 50k ppl and multiple acts. They have no facial recognition at the gates. Trust me if Rick wanted to attend Exit 111 or ACL he could. 

But that wasn't the point of the response, the debate was about whether a festival would ban him or not, not if they would succeed in keeping him out 

I think he has managed to achieve this utopic position from his actions

"“I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.”

22 hours ago, HollyWoodRose84 said:

How are people still debating if it was legal or illegal to purchase these cds from the person who won an auction which gave them the right in the first place to do whatever they wanted to do with the contents of the locker? 

 

Auction winner: Legal owner of contents

CD buyer: Legal purchaser of contents 

GnR: Fucked up big time

Not the case in the case of intellectual property that was not a rights transfer. This is accidental not a deliberate sale. So let's say you bought a box and in it were the new Star Wars movie masters 'accidentally'. Does that mean you can now publish the movie and own the rights to it? 

On 11/10/2019 at 11:09 AM, vloors said:

The other thing people arent getting is this is unauthorised use of intellectual property.

Its illegal to sell or purchase it.

It doesnt matter if gnr never planned to release it. Its still their property and essentially stolen property.

You are not legally allowed to buy or sell a stolen car can you? Same deal with intellectual property.

Rick if he had half a brain should respect the small ban they put on him and stay quiet and away from the headlines. Im sure if they wanted to they could really f him up legally.

I saw the imbecile claim that he had the right to do this because the band refused to release new music. WTF ! Cascade that logic across your life , then assume that any thoughts or ideas you had are no longer your own because in Rick Land you should just give the people whatever they want because they want it.

On 11/10/2019 at 5:55 PM, slash23579 said:

If the CDs were really sold at a public auction than it is 100% legal to own the physical discs, the only crime here is the illegal distribution of the files on the disc. The only reason I think they’re not taking legal action against Rick is that they would have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt in court, that Rick personally distributed the files on the discs. TB does not have a case, that’s why they went with a ban because that’s really all they can do

I would beg to differ, the copyright of the songs rests with the creator, the physical disks themselves are worthless. It's not like they think they bought the music rights, it's a bunch of CD's. An auction house wouldn't have touched this with a barge pole

On 11/10/2019 at 3:25 AM, kiwiguns said:

Because it's about attention seeking. If you take a step back, and look at this subjectively, placing your personal feelings about the bands management to one side, its very simple. 

It's extortion and a shake down for more money.

They paid him money as compensation, and this person now wants more. 

The band and its management have a right to remove or refuse entry to a show, if they deem it necessary.

Don't over complicate something, that is that simple to understand, why that person was advised, to no longer attend Gun N Roses concerts in the future. 

The band and its management are not the ones in the wrong, as they are simply pretecting their interests.

Absolutely, it's all about the kudos of "Look at Me" and now it's blown back, but think someone is enjoying the attention

On 11/10/2019 at 4:35 AM, Arnuld said:

Banning a super fan is incredibly petty. He should just attend one of the festival shows. They can’t ban him from attending a festival. 

yes they can, if the headline act moans about this do you really think a festival would side with 1 attendee with previous ?

If there was no intention of monitizing the 'locker contents' why would you commit to spend $15 grand on what could be a load of shit ?